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        <![CDATA[Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER <br />&nbsp; <p>Researching &quot;lost&quot; ski areas is the hobby of THE COLORADO SKIER. We <br />have reported our findings on COLORADO, the SOUTHEAST, NEW <br />HAMPSHIRE, and are now doing VERMONT and NEVADA. Is your state next? </p><p>For more trivial information on skiing and ski areas, check out our <br />separately posted companion articles entitled: &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - <br />TRIVIA&quot; and &quot;THE TCS LISTS&quot;. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>LOST &quot;COLORADO&quot; SKI AREAS&nbsp; -&nbsp; EDITION #27 (5-9-01) <br />&nbsp; </p><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: <br />&nbsp; </p><p>A. As we were saying ..... ;-) </p><p>B. Don't fret, you probably didn't miss any TCS newsletters. The <br />last one was Trivia #26, published 12-18-98. Why the gap? Well, we <br />got involved in some family/personal matters and they took up a lot of <br />our time. Then, when stability in our life returned, we just got <br />lazy. But, we are back and rest assured that the lost ski area <br />research has continued. </p><p>C. Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF <br />SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc. </p><p>1A. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF VERMONT (continued) </p><p>Here is the info on the 10 VERMONT ski areas we listed last time. </p><p>{Copyright 2001, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.} <br />&nbsp; </p><p>THE PUTNEY SCHOOL (Putney), [obscure], Located 2 miles west of <br />Putney at Elm Lea Farm. Operated from about 1940 to the mid-sixties. <br />Vertical Drop: 175 ft. Top: 1000 Base: 800 ft <br />Lifts: 2 rope tows small ski jump <br />&nbsp; </p><p>RANDOLPH (Randolph), [very obscure], 1940 book: rope tow, 6 <br />trails 1942 book: tow serving 5 trails <br />&nbsp; </p><p>RETREAT (Rutland), [very obscure], Located 6 miles northeast of <br />PICO PEAK on Hiway 100 on the &quot;Retreat Lodge&quot; premises. Operated from <br />about 1947 to 1949. 6 trails, 2 slopes. 600' rope tow. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>RICHMOND SKI TOWS (Richmond), [name change], Opened in 1961. <br />Changed name to COCHRAN (still open) in the mid-70's. 2 surface <br />lifts. Night skiing. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>ROUND TOP MOUNTAIN (Plymouth Union), [closed], Located north of <br />town on Hiway 100. Opened in 1963 or 64. [was closed during the <br />78/79 and 79/80 seasons] Closed 1983. <br />Vertical Drop: 1300 ft Top: 2600 Base: 1300 <br />Lifts: 2 chairlifts, 1 T-bar, 1 handle tow snowmaking <br />&nbsp; </p><p>SKI BOWL (Bellows Falls), [obscure], Located 1.5 miles from <br />Bellows Falls on Hiway 121. Operated by the town Recreation <br />Department from about 1940 to 1949. <br />Vertical Drop: 350 ft Top: 1100 Base: 650 <br />Lifts: rope tow <br />&nbsp; </p><p>SKYLINE (Barre), [closed], Located in the city of Barre off US <br />302. Sometimes called &quot;BARRE SKYLINE&quot;. Operated from about 1940 to <br />1974. <br />Vertical Drop: 300 ft Lifts: 1 Poma, 2 rope tows <br />night skiing 60 acres <br />&nbsp; </p><p>SNOW VALLEY (Manchester), [closed], Located 6 miles east of <br />Manchester off Hiway 30. &quot;In operation since 1939&quot;, claimed to have <br />the oldest base lodge in the U.S. in 1984. Closed around 1985. <br />Vertical Drop: 900 ft Top: 2500 Base: 1600 <br />Lifts: 1 chairlift, 1 T-bar, 1 Poma, 1 rope tow <br />&nbsp; </p><p>SONNENBERG (Barnard), [closed], Opened in 1967. [One quote: <br />After several money losing years as a low cost ski area, in 1987 the <br />area changed to an expensive $45 a day area. The price included <br />downhill, x-county, ice skating, and a gourmet lunch. The new name <br />was &quot;Sonnenberg Winter Club&quot;. In 1991 the area went back to a $20 fee <br />and then closed in 1992.] <br />Vertical Drop: 450 ft Top: 1900 Base: 1450 <br />Lifts: 2 Pomas <br />&nbsp; </p><p>SPRINGFIELD (Springfield), [obscure], Located in Springfield on VT <br />11 and 106. Operated by the Springfield Ski Club from 1940 to 1977. <br />Donated to the town in 1977. The area was abandoned but then <br />resurrected in 1985. No recent news. <br />Vertical Drop: 200 ft Top: 1000 <br />Lifts: 1 rope tow night skiing </p><p>1B. Who remembers these Lost VERMONT Ski Areas? </p><p>Spruce Peak <br />Timber Ridge <br />Tucker Hill <br />Underhill Ski Bowl <br />Waterbury </p><p>West Mountain Farm <br />Wildwood Valley <br />Woodford <br />Woodstock-1 <br />Woodstock-2 </p><p>[Note: This will complete LOST VERMONT. We have already done CT, NH, <br />&amp; RI. Next will be either Maine or Massachusetts. Which would you <br />prefer?]. <br />&nbsp; <br />&nbsp; </p><p>1C. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF NEVADA </p><p>Here is the info on the 10 NEVADA ski areas we listed last time. </p><p>{Copyright 2001, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.} <br />&nbsp; </p><p>ADOBE SUMMIT (Elko), [closed], Located 9 miles north of Elko on <br />Hiway 51 at Adobe Summit. [Frequently misspelled on maps as &quot;Adobie&quot; <br />or &quot;Dobie&quot;.] Operated from about 1968 to 1977. <br />Vertical Drop: 350 ft Lifts: 1 rope tow <br />&nbsp; </p><p>ELKO SNO BOWL (Elko), [obscure], Apparently a revival of the ADOBE <br />SUMMIT ski area in the late 90's. <br />Vertical Drop: 620 ft Top: 7000 <br />Lifts: 2 rope tows snowmaking <br />&nbsp; </p><p>GALENA CREEK (Reno/Mt. Rose), [very obscure], A small ski area <br />located just downhill from MT ROSE BOWL (which see). <br />Base: 6300 ft Lifts: rope tow jumping hill <br />&nbsp; </p><p>GRASS LAKE (Mt. Rose), [very obscure], Small rope tow area on &quot;Mt. <br />Rose&quot; started by Wayne Poulson (co-founder of Squaw Valley) in 1938. <br />Lasted for two seasons. Note that the bottom lift (now removed) at <br />RENO SKI BOWL (Slide Mtn) used to start at Grass Lake. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>INCLINE VILLAGE SKI BOWL (Incline Village), [name change], <br />Original name for SKI INCLINE, first year (66/67) only. Opened in <br />1966 with a vertical of 675 ft, 3 chairlifts and a T-bar, and <br />extensive snowmaking. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>KYLE CANYON (Mt. Charleston), [closed], Located up Kyle Canyon on <br />a turnoff to the Mary Jane Falls trailhead. A TCS reader saw lift <br />remnants in 1996, and we talked to a Forest Service rep in Sep 96 who <br />said the remnants were still visible. Operated from about 1949 to <br />1960. <br />Vertical Drop: 300 ft Base: 7500 <br />Lifts: rope tow 40m jump <br />&nbsp; </p><p>MT. CHARLESTON (Las Vegas), [planned], Would have been Located on <br />the slopes of Mt. Charleston 30 miles northwest of Las Vegas in the <br />same general vicinity as LEE CANYON (still open). The gondola <br />(possibly a tram) was planned but never built, circa 1963. Some ski <br />area guidebooks show a &quot;Mt. Charleston&quot; ski area with &quot;gondola&quot; in <br />1964 and 1965. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>MT. ROSE BOWL (Reno), [name change], Located on the flanks of Mt. <br />Rose, across the highway from Slide Mtn. Opened in 1945. In 1958, <br />called &quot;The Mt Rose Bowl Sky Tavern&quot;. Became SKY TAVERN (which see) <br />around 1966. <br />Vertical Drop: 670 ft <br />Lifts: Constam T-bar, 4 rope tows 40m jump <br />&nbsp; </p><p>MURRAY SUMMIT (Ely), [very obscure], &quot;Murray Summit&quot; is on US 6 <br />just south of Ely near &quot;Ward Mtn&quot;. A 1949 reference says: &quot;winter <br />sports area with ski lifts, etc.&quot; Probably WARD MTN (which see). <br />&nbsp; </p><p>PEQUOP SUMMIT (Wendover), [very obscure], Located 35 miles west of <br />Wendover, UT at &quot;Pequop Summit&quot; on I-80. Shows up on highway maps of <br />the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Possibly snow play only. </p><p>1D. Who remembers these Lost NEVADA Ski Areas? </p><p>Reno Ski Bowl <br />Ruby Mountains <br />Ski Elko <br />Ski Reno <br />Sky Tavern </p><p>Slide Mountain <br />Tannenbaum <br />Tent Mountain <br />Ward Mountain <br />White Hills <br />&nbsp; </p><p>[Note: When we finish LOST NEVADA, we will move on to LOST UTAH, in <br />time for the 2002 Winter Olympics.] </p><p>2A. SKI AREA NEWS </p><p>a. CUCHARA (CO) did not open for the 2000/01 season. This area has <br />had five different owners in the past several years and has been <br />shuttered in previous seasons. The current owner, a Texas <br />businessman, decided to sell last summer but couldn't work out a deal <br />that would allow operation this season. He also owns SKI RIO (NM) <br />which did not operate either. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b. PURGATORY (CO) has changed its name, first to &quot;Purgatory at <br />Durango&quot;, and finally to DURANGO MOUNTAIN RESORT. The owners felt <br />that more folks have heard of Durango than Purgatory. The base <br />village will still be called Purgatory. FWIW, Durango (the town) is <br />a big summer tourist town (due to Mesa Verde Nat'l park and the <br />Durango &amp; Silverton steam train) and so there is lots of reasonably <br />priced lodging available in the winter. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c. SILVERCREEK (CO) has changed its name to SOL VISTA Ski and Golf <br />Ranch. Seems that Marise Cipriani, the Brazilian owner, wants to <br />create a total resort with a ski area, a golf course, lodging, a town <br />center, houses, and condos. But the name &quot;Silver Creek&quot; is used on <br />other facilities in the area which she doesn't own. Hence the new, <br />totally controlled (and totally dorky) name. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d. KICKING HORSE (BC) is a whole new version of the old WHITETOOTH <br />ski area. They have big plans for expansion and this season added an <br />8-place gondola and a FG quad. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e. HESPERUS (CO) is a small (one chairlift) ski area located about 8 <br />miles west of Durango. They have no snowmaking and consequently only <br />operated 20 days two seasons ago and not at all last season. This <br />year, with the abundant Colorado snow, they have been doing well. <br />That is, until the State Tramway Board inspector showed up. He found <br />the chairlift operating, without an attendant - a definite no-no! The <br />ski area elected to shut down for the balance of the season, rather <br />than have their operating permit canceled. It will be interesting to <br />see what happens next season. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>f. ASPEN (CO) - There are four ski areas in Aspen: Buttermilk, <br />Snowmass, Aspen Highlands, and Aspen Mountain - which is called &quot;Ajax&quot; <br />by the locals. Aspen Mtn is the only one of the four not allowing <br />snowboards. Last Fall, Aspen Ski Co. changed the name of ASPEN MTN to <br />AJAX so that potential ski visitors, hearing that &quot;Aspen&quot; doesn't <br />allow snowboards, wouldn't assume that all 4 of the Aspen areas didn't <br />allow snowboards. Then, half way thru the season, Skico decided to <br />allow snowboards on Ajax and changed the name back to Aspen Mtn. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>g. NOT BANNED IN BOSTON? Snowboards are still unwelcome at Deer <br />Valley, UT; Alta, UT; Taos, NM; Perfect North Slopes, IN; and Mad River Glen, <br />VT. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>h. THE KILLINGTON/PICO INTERCONNECT - In the last issue we <br />discussed how the physical connection between K &amp; Pico was being held <br />up by snowmaking water issues. These legal and contractual issues <br />have been resolved. In fact the necessary reservoirs and pipelines <br />were completed last summer. So now it's just a matter of finding the <br />money and making the decision to build two new lifts and a few <br />interconnect trails. Maybe one more good snow year? </p><p>2B. NEW LIFT NEWS - Here is a partial list of new ski lifts for the <br />2000/2001 season. </p><p>Big White (BC) - 8 place gondola (Leitner) <br />Kicking Horse (BC) - 8 place gondola &amp; FG Quad (Poma) </p><p>Mammoth - New six-pack (Doppelmayr) <br />Heavenly - New gondola from &quot;town&quot; to part way up the front side <br />(Dopp) <br />Kirkwood - New HSQ - Cornice Express (Dopp) <br />Northstar - HSQ on brand new &quot;Lookout Mtn&quot; expert terrain (Garaventa <br />CTEC) </p><p>Timberline - 2 new HSQs (Dopp) </p><p>Crystal Mtn - New HSQ (Dopp) <br />Schweitzer Mtn - New six-pack (Garaventa CTEC) </p><p>Purgatory - New six-pack on the front side (Doppelmayr) <br />Vail - New HSQ (Poma) completing the new &quot;Blue Sky Basin&quot; <br />Keystone - New six-pack (Poma) [replacing the ill-fated Teller/Ruby <br />lift] </p><p>Jiminy Peak (MA) - Six-pack (Garaventa CTEC) </p><p>Bretton Woods (NH) - HSQ (Garaventa CTEC) </p><p>Ascutney Mtn (VT) - HSQ (Garaventa CTEC) </p><p>Note: There was a total of about 50 new chairlifts and gondolas. </p><p>2C. OLD LIFT NEWS - Since we didn't publish a newsletter last <br />season, here is some 1999/2000 lift news that you might have missed. </p><p>Gore Mtn (NY) - 8-place gondola (Poma) <br />Whiteface Mtn (NY) - 8-place gondola (Dopp) </p><p>HSQs - Wachusett, Cannon, Jay Peak </p><p>Breckenridge - First &quot;dual-loading&quot; Six-pack in North America (Poma) <br />Vail - Three HSQs serving the new Blue Sky Basin (Poma) </p><p>HSQs - Aspen Highlands, Silver Creek, Telluride (2), Winter Park </p><p>HSQs - Deer Valley, Snowbird, Jackson Hole <br />Alta - First Alta detachable - a Garaventa CTEC triple chair </p><p>Mammoth Mtn - 8-place Gondola and HSQ (both Dopp) <br />Squaw Valley - Two six-packs (Poma) </p><p>Note: There were about 60 new chairlifts and gondolas. </p><p>3. TRIVIA QUESTIONS FOLLOW-UP </p><p>a. (From last time) SNEAKY TRIVIA - How many of the 11 ASC ski areas <br />have a hotel named &quot;Grand Summit&quot;? </p><p>Answer: There are &quot;Grand Summit&quot; hotels at Sugarloaf &amp; Sunday River, <br />ME; Attitash, NH; Sugarbush &amp; Mt. Snow, VT; and The Canyons, UT. <br />There are also &quot;Killington Grand&quot; and &quot;Steamboat Grand&quot; hotels, for a <br />total of 8 &quot;Grand&quot; hotels. Another &quot;Grand&quot; hotel is planned at <br />Heavenly, CA at the base of the new gondola. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b. TRIVIA - LOST TERRAIN/LIFTS - Here are some ski areas which have <br />(usually inexplicably) closed trails and/or lifts. </p><p>Heavenly, CA - At one time (early 70's) the Nevada side had the &quot;Wells <br />Fargo&quot; chairlift, which extended downhill from the current Stagecoach <br />base area. There were plans to extend another lift down to Hiway 207 <br />where there would be parking and ticket sales. Around 1979 the Wells <br />Fargo lift was removed and several trails were closed. </p><p>Schweitzer Basin, ID - In the 70's, the T1 and T2 T-bars were removed <br />and several trails were truncated at the &quot;Cat Track&quot; and &quot;Lower Loop <br />Hole Loop Road&quot;. BTW, in 1974 Schweitzer was using GREEN, RED, and <br />YELLOW trail designators instead of the standard Green, Blue, And <br />Black. </p><p>Brian Head, UT - Around 1991, the &quot;Navajo&quot; chairlift was removed and <br />eight named trails were designated as a snowcat skiing area. In 1996, <br />the trails were removed from the trail map. Why? </p><p>SilverCreek, CO - Around 1988, they closed and eventually removed the <br />&quot;Summit&quot; chairlift which extended to the top of East Mountain from the <br />condos on the left side of the ski area. Now the trails feed back to <br />the main base. </p><p>Sunlight, CO - Removed the &quot;West&quot; chairlift and the Beaver and Deer <br />Run beginner runs off to the right. </p><p>Killington, VT - Closed the top part of Rams Head, moving the lift (a <br />new HSQ) further down the mountain and shortening the runs. Also <br />closed the &quot;Entry 4&quot; (Sunrise Mountain) parking lot and base lodge - <br />moving the lower terminal of the &quot;Northeast Passage&quot; triple chair <br />further up the mountain. </p><p>Magic Mountain, VT - Does not currently operate the old &quot;Timberside&quot; <br />section (2 lifts, 10 trails) of the mountain. </p><p>Cannon Mtn, NH - around 1982, removed the &quot;Banshee&quot; T-bar which <br />effectively rendered the Banshee practice area unusable. </p><p>Loon, NH - Several years ago, Loon cut some new trails as part of a <br />planned expansion to the west of current terrain. Loon has never <br />received permission for the expansion, so the trails sit unused. </p><p>Got more entries for this list? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c. SNEAKY TRIVIA - Why is there a trapezoid shaped metal frame atop <br />most lift towers? And why on some lifts, but not others? </p><p>4. BUILDER'S EMPORIUM (Stuff about ski lifts) </p><p>a. MASS TRANSIT - We are always looking for non-skiing &quot;ski lifts&quot;. <br />On our last trip to Boston (Mass transit - get it?) we drove to our <br />favorite &quot;T&quot; stop and discovered that a parking garage had been added. <br />It is across the (ground level) tracks from the T station. For access <br />there is a bridge with two &quot;trams&quot;. The tram cars move on horizontal <br />tracks back and forth across the bridge, pulled by cables. They are <br />completely automatic - just press a button like an elevator. The cars <br />look like either giant (20 passenger) gondola cars or elevator cars <br />with windows. The system was built by Poma/Otis and is called &quot;Mystic <br />Shuttle 1&quot;. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b. LAS VEGAS - Doppelmayr, along with CWA and others, has built a <br />half mile long elevated train system connecting the EXCALIBUR, LUXOR, <br />and MANDALAY BAY hotels at the south end of the Strip. Very modern, <br />fast, and quiet. It's kinda complicated to explain, but you can't <br />always choose which of the four tram stops to disembark. Once you <br />board their train, the hotel chain makes sure you can only get off at <br />one of their hotels. No way you can get back to the Strip, where <br />there are competitive hotels. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c. VAIL - In their second year of operation (1963), Vail had a <br />gondola and 5 double chairlifts. Since then, chair #5 has been <br />upgraded to a triple. The gondola is gone. Chairs 2, 3, and 4 are <br />now HSQs. However, the #1 chair, a fixed grip double, and now 37 <br />years old, still exists. So, why would a big ski area like Vail keep <br />a 37 year old chair? Actually the chairlift is just used to service <br />the race course during slalom and GS races. The chair runs right up <br />the &quot;International&quot; race course, with its &quot;Swiss Face&quot;, &quot;Austrian <br />Face&quot;, and &quot;French Face&quot;. And now you know. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d. PRIVATE SKI LIFTS - Know of any private ski lifts? Here are a <br />few. </p><p>On the Nevada side of HEAVENLY, there is a private gondola connecting <br />the &quot;Ridge Tahoe Resort&quot; with the Stagecoach base lodge. </p><p>At SNOWMASS (CO) there is a short funicular (Poma/Otis) connecting <br />luxury houses with skiable terrain. </p><p>At VAIL, there is a private home with a one car gondola system used to <br />ferry residents and guests from the garage up four flights to the top <br />of a sprawling hillside home. Cool! (at one time it was just a <br />chairlift.) </p><p>At ALTA, UT there is a short triple chair (100 ft vertical, only 6 <br />&quot;chairs&quot;) which connects the ski area to the Rustler Lodge. </p><p>There are probably many others. Please share. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e. A GONDOLA IN YOUR FUTURE? - In North America, gondolas generally <br />have been used as ski lifts. Recently, however, the gondola has <br />started to take on a role as a transport device, not necessarily <br />serving ski trails. One prime example is Telluride which has a free <br />gondola which connects the town of Telluride with the on-mountain town <br />and two other locations. </p><p>There are cabriolet-type (open air) gondolas connecting parking lots <br />with base areas at Mt Tremblant (PQ) and The Canyons (UT). </p><p>Here is a list of Colorado ski areas/towns which are considering <br />&quot;transport&quot; gondolas: Breckenridge (town to slope), Beaver Creek <br />(from town of Avon), Aspen (connecting Highlands with Buttermilk and <br />Snowmass), and Winter Park (town to slope). </p><p>5. POTPOURRI </p><p>a. NELSAP - The New England Lost Ski Areas Project is a most <br />excellent web site (www.nelsap.org) which provides detailed histories <br />and statistics on 350 closed New England ski areas. NELSAP is the <br />brainchild of Jeremy Davis whom we are proud to call friend. </p><p>This winter Jeremy and his posse (Betsy and Chris) skied Colorado for <br />the first time. We met them for dinner. Would you believe that the <br />four of us talked &quot;lost ski areas&quot; for 4 hours? These fine folks <br />encouraged us to get back into writing TCS newsletters. So here we <br />are. Thanks, guys. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b. IS UTAH READY? </p><p>Two years ago we made some cynical comments about the state of <br />readiness (or non-readiness) of the Utah 2002 Winter Olympics <br />facilities. On a recent visit we updated our thinking. The Alpine <br />Downhill course at Snow Basin is ready. The new access road is open. <br />The big jumps and bobsleigh track at the Utah Winter Sports Park <br />(Kimball Junction) are ready. The Cross Country facilities have <br />already been used for events. One of the problem areas had been the <br />Speed Skating stadium, but it is now ready and has completed its first <br />trial. The Olympic Village is moving along. The only problem area <br />seems to be the lack of a transportation plan. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c. COLORADO SEASON TICKETS - The price wars continue. Two seasons <br />ago the &quot;Buddy Pass&quot; was started by Winter Park and Copper Mtn. For <br />$800 ($200 each) you could buy 4 season passes (if you had 3 friends). <br />Keystone and Breck joined in. The next season the price went up to <br />about $225 each. This past season the price jumped to about $250. <br />Vail Resorts had the best deal: Unlimited skiing at Breck, Keystone, <br />and A-basin, plus 10 days at either Vail or Beaver Creek (with some <br />date restrictions). </p><p>We just received an ad from Winter Park - Ski Winter Park and Copper <br />Mtn next season for $349. Or for $249, just Winter Park. Currently <br />Vail is selling &quot;The Colorado Pass&quot; (with the deal described above) <br />for $319 and &quot;The Buddy Pass&quot;, without the Vail/Beaver Creek option, <br />for $249. </p><p>Two drawbacks for all of these passes - they are only for sale in the <br />late Spring and early Fall and you have to buy them in person - in <br />Colorado. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d. SKIP KING - Skip King is the American Skiing Company Vice <br />President for Communications (or whatever). Upon hearing that TCS was <br />about to publish another newsletter, Skip wrote to say that he <br />expected to see his name (Skip King) mentioned several times. Sorry <br />Mr. King. We seldom mention personal names (like Skip King) in this <br />newsletter. And we almost never use last names (like King). Sorry <br />Skip. </p><p>6. THE LET'S DO SALT LAKE CITY TRIP </p><p>The &quot;Let's Do SLC&quot; (LDS) trip was our fall foliage and ski area trip <br />for 2000. We visited about 16 open and closed ski areas in CO and UT. <br />Here are some highlights: </p><p>BERTHOUD PASS - They have a small ski history museum on the 2nd floor <br />of the (ancient) base lodge. Mostly it just has old pix of Berthoud, <br />but they are fun. </p><p>SILVERCREEK - We are starting a new trivia theme - ski areas with <br />closed terrain and/or lifts (see Section 3). SilverCreek removed a <br />chairlift a few years back and then funneled the serviced ski runs <br />back to the base area. We drove up above the condos which the <br />chairlift used to service. Aha! The chairlift remnants are clearly <br />visible. </p><p>STEAMBOAT - &quot;Tread of Pioneers&quot; is a nice little museum downtown with <br />an excellent section on the history of Steamboat skiing. After <br />studying the exhibits for an hour we went to the front desk to ask a <br />few questions. It quickly became apparent that we knew more than they <br />did. How embarrassing for both of us! </p><p>PARK CITY - Our first visit since they removed the gondola. Sad. </p><p>THE CANYONS - Wow! On our last visit, an old small base lodge and <br />dirt parking lot. Now a whole village with hotels and condos has been <br />built. </p><p>GORGOZA - The base lodge and lifts for this Lost Ski Area have been <br />removed. Now there are handle tows and lights for tubing. The base <br />lodge consists of two yurts. Nice paved and lighted parking lot. </p><p>OGDEN - There are three ski areas up the canyon east of Ogden, in a <br />beautiful valley. This was our first visit. NORDIC VALLEY is a <br />throwback to old-time skiing. Two classic old HALL double chairlifts <br />running up what looks like a farmer's field. The base lodge looks <br />like a barn (probably was) and the &quot;outbuildings&quot; contain the ski <br />patrol, lift ticket sales, ski school, etc. </p><p>POWDER MOUNTAIN - This is the first ski area we have visited that has <br />no skilifts visible from the main parking lot and base lodge. Weird! </p><p>SNOW BASIN - Unfortunately the ski area access road was closed the day <br />we were there. However, the view from the valley up at the mountain <br />is spectacular. Lots of jagged mountains containing ski runs. The <br />view back down must be great as well. </p><p>7. LETTERS, WE GET LETTERS </p><p>During our two year hiatus, we received several dozen letters (e- <br />mails). About one-third were Sunday River Trip Reports from Bruce <br />Leslie. Bruce provides very detailed reports including items like the <br />color of his wife Penny's new ski hats, and the length of his daughter <br />Anne's new shaped skis - plus which expert runs she now skis with <br />ease. If Bruce had home videos of these trips we could probably <br />create a skiing soap opera like &quot;As The Bullwheel Turns&quot; or maybe <br />&quot;Bringing in the Sheaves&quot;. Just kidding Bruce, keep those TRs <br />coming! </p><p>Another third of the letters were questions like &quot;Why is the last TCS <br />newsletter dated Dec 98?&quot; and &quot;What happened to TCS?&quot; Thanks for <br />caring. </p><p>The final third were lost ski area comments and questions. We will <br />try to respond in upcoming newsletters and a few personal replies. If <br />you are desperate for an answer, ask again - you might just jump to <br />the top of the queue. </p><p>For those who asked: We have complete our Lost Idaho research but <br />haven't published the results yet. That will happen sometime after <br />Lost Utah. Lost California is another matter. We have identified 134 <br />lost California areas so far and the research is far from complete. <br />Maybe 2003. </p><p>As always, we will provide data on individual areas at any time. Ask <br />away. </p><p>8. OUR PET PEEVES The following items annoy us: </p><p>a. Ski areas (like Keystone) which groom every run perfectly flat. </p><p>b. Ski areas (like Keystone) which have snowgun hydrants in the <br />middle of some runs, rather than at the sides, out of the way of <br />skiers. </p><p>c. Ski areas which make snow during operating hours - thus requiring <br />the runs to be closed or for us to ski thru a blizzard. </p><p>d. OT - Cell phones - in general; Cell phones in use in public <br />places; <br />Cell phones in use in vehicles. </p><p>And: The TV ad showing the has-been actress prancing barefoot on a <br />beach while talking on her phone and prattling on and on about free <br />weekends. If we have a chance to run barefoot on the beach on a <br />weekend, the last thing we want is a telephone. Beaches on weekends <br />are a time and place to get away from phones, and from work, friends, <br />and relatives. If you have to talk to friends and relatives at the <br />beach - bring them with you! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e. OT - Whitney Houston - Gee we haven't picked on old Witless in a <br />long time. Fortunately she has stopped singing and acting so - not a <br />problem. However, since last we talked: 1) About a year ago, <br />witless appeared on an awards show just a little stoned; 2) She was <br />hired to sing on the 2000 Oscar awards TV show and was fired after the <br />first day of rehearsals - couldn't handle it (her replacement, Faith <br />Hill, did a great job). 3) She tried to board a plane in Honolulu <br />carrying just a little more Mary Jane than the legal limit. For this <br />last infraction, Witless was fined $5,000 and required to do community <br />service - which in this case meant a promise NOT to perform in Hawaii <br />for two years! ;-) <br />&nbsp; </p><p>f. UGLY CARS - Our vote for the ugliest vehicle made in North <br />America is the PONTIAC AZTEK, narrowly edging out the CHEVY AVALANCHE. <br />GM rules! </p><p>9. EPILOG </p><p>a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR first and last name) in <br />your first E-Mail to TCS. Why? We can't remember but it seemed <br />important once. </p><p>d. Due next: &quot;TCS TRIVIA - 27&quot; (whenever) <br />&nbsp; </p><p>Cheers from THE COLORADO SKIER </p><p>&quot;Not to perambulate the corridors during the hours of repose in the <br />boots of ascension.&quot; (sign in an Austrian ski hotel) <br />&nbsp; </p>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<h3>&nbsp; Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER&nbsp;</h3><p>This is part of a series on SKI AREA TRIVIA.&nbsp; It is posted separately <br />from our companion series on &quot;LOST SKI AREAS&quot;.&nbsp; Check it out. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <strong>THE COLORADO SKIER TRIVIA - EDITION #26&nbsp;&nbsp; (12-18-98)</strong> <br />&nbsp; </p><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: </p><p>A.&nbsp; It's been a good year for the collection of lost ski area info. <br />Also for trail maps.&nbsp; We appreciate your contributions.&nbsp; Thanx. </p><p>B.&nbsp; We could use your input concerning which &quot;Lost&quot; states to do next. <br />After Vermont, it will be MASSACHUSETTS or MAINE, your choice. In the <br />Mid-west maybe INDIANA or OHIO.&nbsp; The West is wide open:&nbsp; IDAHO or <br />MONTANA, or maybe it's time to do a Pacific state like OREGON or <br />WASHINGTON.&nbsp; Let us know.&nbsp; Remember we get to look at All of the lost <br />ski area data every day - and you don't! </p><p>C.&nbsp; Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF <br />SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>1.&nbsp; *** NEW *** TRIVIA QUESTIONS </p><p>a.&nbsp; There are many U.S. ski areas with the word &quot;Mt&quot; in their name (Mt <br />Snow) and the word &quot;Mountain&quot; (Aspen Mountain).&nbsp; What other <br />physical/geographical words appear in ski area names?&nbsp; Is there a <br />Bermuda DUNES, an Erie CANAL, or a Kansas PRAIRIE?&nbsp; How about Swamp, <br />or Ditch, or Tundra?&nbsp; Get to work, be creative.&nbsp; (Thanks Joshua) <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; Name several U.S. SKI AREAS which have closed (for at least one <br />season) and then re-opened - within the last ten years. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; At which SKI AREAS are the following trails located? </p><p>&nbsp;1)&nbsp; Kansas,&nbsp; Cyclone,&nbsp; Emerald City,&nbsp; Tin Woodsman,&nbsp; Cowardly Lion <br />&nbsp;2)&nbsp; Downunder,&nbsp; Outback,&nbsp; Kangaroo,&nbsp; Boomerang,&nbsp; Aussie Alley <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; Which still operational ski areas existed (with mechanical lifts) <br />in 1940? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; NOSTALGIA QUESTION - Which ski areas have operated under at least <br />three (3) different names? </p><p>[Note:&nbsp; &quot;nostalgia&quot; in this case does not refer to old ski area info <br />but rather to re-cycled TCS newsletter questions.&nbsp; That is, these <br />questions have appeared before (in some form).&nbsp; We do repeats because <br />new readers often suggest questions we have used before.] <br />&nbsp; </p><p>Bonus One&nbsp; -&nbsp; Which, if any, of the current ski lift manufacturers are <br />American (U.S.) owned? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>Bonus Two&nbsp; -&nbsp; Which U.S. ski areas are installing new GONDOLA systems <br />for the 1998/99 season? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>Bonus Three&nbsp; -&nbsp; Has there ever been a U.S. ski area chairlift where <br />the seats faced &quot;sideways&quot; (perpendicular to the cable travel)? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>2.&nbsp; TRIVIA 25 ANSWERS </p><p>a.&nbsp; Which four (4) U.S. SKI AREAS received new GONDOLA systems for the <br />1997/98 season? </p><p>ANSWERS:&nbsp; KILLINGTON (&quot;K2&quot;),&nbsp; JACKSON HOLE (&quot;Bridger&quot;),&nbsp; THE CANYONS <br />(&quot;The Flight of the Canyons&quot;),&nbsp; and SQUAW VALLEY&nbsp; (actually the new <br />&quot;pulse&quot; gondola at Squaw was started last year but not completed until <br />this season).&nbsp;&nbsp; [Some folks guessed Vail and Telluride, but those <br />gondolas operated the previous season.] </p><p>GUESSES:&nbsp; New TCS reader (and roller coaster nut) ERIC (CA) got all 4. <br />Richard (CA) got 3. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; How many different SKI LIFT MANUFACTURERS have built chairlifts at <br />North American ski areas?&nbsp;&nbsp; Is it:&nbsp;&nbsp; a) 1-10,&nbsp; b) 11-20,&nbsp; c) 21-30, <br />d) 31-40,&nbsp; e) 41+ </p><p>ANSWERS:&nbsp; Amazingly, the correct answer is &quot;e&quot;, over 41.&nbsp; We have a <br />list of 53 chairlift manufacturers!&nbsp; Here are some you might have <br />heard of:&nbsp; BM (Blue Mountain), Borvig, Carlevaro/Savio, CTEC, <br />Doppelmayr, Hall, Heron, Lift Engineering, Mueller, Poma, Riblet, <br />Samson, Ski Lift International, Stadeli, Thiokol, Von Roll </p><p>GUESSES:&nbsp; JAN-ERIK (OR) guessed &quot;d&quot;.&nbsp; Everyone else guessed b or c. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; Which U.S. ski areas have DETACHABLE double or triple chairlifts? </p><p>ANSWERS:&nbsp; DOUBLE - Aspen Mtn;&nbsp; TRIPLE - Gore Mtn and Mt Bachelor (the <br />triple at Bachelor was replaced after the question was asked.) </p><p>GUESSES:&nbsp; Most everyone knew about the one at Aspen.&nbsp; A few also knew <br />Gore.&nbsp; JOHN (VT) knew all 3. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; Name the SKI AREAS with these ski trail names: </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1)&nbsp; MD,&nbsp; MBA,&nbsp; AB,&nbsp; PhD,&nbsp; Cum Laude,&nbsp; Pass/Fail <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2)&nbsp; Styx,&nbsp; Hades,&nbsp; Demon,&nbsp; 666,&nbsp; Pitchfork </p><p>ANSWERS:&nbsp;&nbsp; 1) - Dartmouth Skiway, NH;&nbsp; 2) - Purgatory, CO </p><p>GUESSES:&nbsp; 3 folks got Purgatory, 1 got Dartmouth, no-one got both <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; NOSTALGIA QUESTION:&nbsp; At which ski areas is a gondola or chairlift <br />the only access (or principal access) to the main base lodge. </p><p>ANSWERS:&nbsp; GROUSE MTN, BC (tram);&nbsp; SUNSHINE VILLAGE, ALB (gondola); <br />SILVER MOUNTAIN, ID (gondola);&nbsp; MT WATERMAN, CA (chairlift);&nbsp; MT <br />BALDY, CA (chairlift).&nbsp;&nbsp; Honorable Mention:&nbsp; SUGAR BOWL, CA (requires <br />gondola or chairlift ride to main base, however there is auto access <br />to a secondary base);&nbsp; OBER GATLINBURG, TN (cable car from town, <br />however you can also drive up). </p><p>GUESSES:&nbsp; There were 6 votes for Sugar Bowl, 4 for Mt Waterman, 3 each <br />for Mt Baldy and Sunshine, 2 for Silver Mtn, and 1 each for Grouse and <br />Gatlinburg.&nbsp; 2 folks mentioned June Mtn.&nbsp; IMO June doesn't qualify <br />because they have a base lodge next to the parking lot and you can ski <br />to it. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>BONUS ONE&nbsp; -&nbsp; Which Ski Areas share NAMES with Amusement Parks? </p><p>ANSWERS:&nbsp; MAGIC MTN ski area (one in Big Bear, CA, and one in Vermont) <br />vs MAGIC MTN amusement park in Santa Clarita, CA.&nbsp; (Heritage Square in <br />Denver was once called Magic Mountain.)&nbsp;&nbsp; There have also been several <br />amusement parks and ski areas with the word &quot;holiday&quot; in their name. </p><p>GUESSES:&nbsp; Most guesses were for Magic Mtn (Eric, CA knew both ski <br />areas!).&nbsp; One person compared Kings Dominion with King Ridge (or King <br />Pine).&nbsp; A real stretch was &quot;Mt Disney&quot; within Sugar Bowl. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>BONUS TWO&nbsp; -&nbsp; Which U.S. ski areas have a view of an ocean? </p><p>ANSWERS:&nbsp; Camden Snow Bowl, ME;&nbsp; Mt. Baldy, Snow Summit, Snow Valley, <br />and Bear Mtn, in So Calif;&nbsp; and Alyeska, AK.&nbsp; BTW, it is physically <br />impossible to see the ocean from Mt Hood or Mt Rainier. </p><p>GUESSES:&nbsp; A spectrum of replies covered all the correct answers.&nbsp; (We <br />suspect that it is seldom clear enough to see the ocean from the SoCal <br />areas!)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (And, FWIW, seldom possible to see SLC from Alta!) <br />&nbsp; </p><p>BONUS THREE&nbsp; -&nbsp; Steve Allen hosted the first &quot;Tonight Show&quot;, late <br />nights on NBC.&nbsp; However, there was an earlier late-night comedy <br />variety show on NBC.&nbsp; Can anyone remember its name or any of the <br />stars?&nbsp; (Think comedians and one statuesque blond.) </p><p>ANSWERS:&nbsp; &quot;Broadway Open House&quot; starring Jerry Lester with &quot;Dagmar&quot; <br />(Ruth Egnor) and Fat Jack Leonard.&nbsp; The Kirby Stone Quartet provided <br />the music. </p><p>GUESSES:&nbsp; One lonely guess for &quot;Your Show of Shows&quot; which is my all- <br />time favorite show (except for &quot;The Avengers&quot;, of course.) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>3.&nbsp; TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP </p><p>a.&nbsp; SILLY TRIVIA:&nbsp; &quot;In what year did The Green Hornet's faithful <br />JAPANESE valet Kato, become his faithful FILIPINO valet Kato?&quot; </p><p>Answer:&nbsp; Obviously the year was 1941, just after the bombing of Pearl <br />Harbor on Dec 7.&nbsp; This story may be just legend.&nbsp; Some experts say the <br />opening line of the show said &quot;faithful valet&quot; without nationality <br />while others say it was &quot;faithful Filipino valet&quot; from the gitgo but <br />he was supposed to be of Japanese ancestry, which fact was dropped. </p><p>BTW, one long-time reader (who shall mercifully remain nameless) said <br />(about the date of the nationality change) &quot;It must have coincided <br />with the start of W.W.II - say 1944?&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; No wonder we flunk History! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; LIFT FIRSTS - In our data base we note that the first detachable <br />QUAD chair was built at Breckenridge in 1981.&nbsp; We never thought much <br />about the &quot;first ever detachable&quot; (of course, most gondolas are <br />detachable).&nbsp; Recently we learned that the first detachable DOUBLE <br />chair (&quot;sesselbahen&quot; with sideways chairs) was built in Switzerland <br />for the 1945-46 season by &quot;Foundry in Berne&quot;. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; LOVELAND&nbsp; -&nbsp; Claims that their new FG quad is &quot;the highest quad <br />chairlift in the World&quot;.&nbsp; We wonder if it is the highest chairlift of <br />any capacity.&nbsp; It rises to 12,700 ft.&nbsp; The doublechair at A-BASIN <br />rises to 12,470 ft.&nbsp; The alpine platter at SNOWMASS reaches 12,510 ft. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; HEIDI'S HOUSE??&nbsp; -&nbsp; We have a AAA guidebook entry for HOLIDAY <br />HILL, CA (now Mountain High - East) in the 60's which shows a summer <br />tourist attraction (reachable by &quot;double sky-chair&quot;) called &quot;HEIDI'S <br />HOME&quot;.&nbsp; Anyone ever been there or even heard of it? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; NEW HOTEL CHAIN?&nbsp;&nbsp; SNEAKY TRIVIA - How many of the 11 ASC ski <br />areas have a hotel named &quot;Grand Summit&quot;? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>4.&nbsp; LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP&nbsp;&nbsp; (First two are based on recent visits) </p><p>a.&nbsp; COPPLE CROWN, NH - Operated from 1965 to 1976.&nbsp; Vertical Drop of <br />400 ft.&nbsp; T-bar and two rope tows.&nbsp; Located about 4 miles south of <br />Wolfeboro on the Middleton Road.&nbsp; Drive east on a road by the &quot;Copple <br />Crown&quot; sign.&nbsp; The base lodge is now a Rec Center with pool and tennis <br />courts.&nbsp; Private property&nbsp; - no trespassing.&nbsp; You can drive to the top <br />of the mountain where the upper T-bar terminal still remains.&nbsp; The <br />lift line and trails are completely grown in.&nbsp; [Note:&nbsp; the residential <br />road from the base lodge to the top of the ski hill is marked <br />&quot;private&quot;.&nbsp; This is probably meant to keep out hikers, hunters, and <br />hooligans&nbsp; -&nbsp; but not hobbyists.&nbsp; Actually we were looking for lots or <br />houses for sale.&nbsp;&nbsp; ;-) ] <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; CAMPTON, NH - Still operates, sometimes.&nbsp; Vertical Drop 400 ft. <br />Double chairlift and rope tow.&nbsp; Night skiing.&nbsp; No snowmaking, so <br />operation is sporadic.&nbsp; Did not operate the last two seasons.&nbsp; Located <br />in the southeast portion of the town of Campton in the &quot;Waterville <br />Estates&quot; subdivision.&nbsp; Drive up Hodgeman road to Snobrook road and <br />look for the signs or drive up Brookville road and turn on Hodgeman. <br />The ski area is part of the subdivision recreational facilities but is <br />open to the public. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; BLEU MOUNTAIN, KS.&nbsp; Two readers asked about this one and we wrote <br />to them directly.&nbsp; Did you get the info you needed, guys? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; LOST ILLINOIS&nbsp; -&nbsp; We were pleasantly surprised to receive several <br />notes from readers who remembered some of the lost Illinois ski areas <br />and had skied some.&nbsp; MARK (IL) reports that BUFFALO PARK is now a <br />snowboard area called RAGING BUFFALO.&nbsp; Does it have lifts, Mark? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; PALOMAR MOUNTAIN, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; New reader &quot;RP&quot; (CA) - got ready for the <br />ski season by breaking his leg playing soccer (bummer).&nbsp; Actually he <br />was just coaching soccer.&nbsp; (Probably some 7 year old girl kicked him <br />in the shin!)&nbsp; As part of his rehab, he took up hiking.&nbsp; And he became <br />the second TCS reader to find the lost ski area at Mt Palomar. </p><p>This ski area (from the 60's) seems to hold a fascination for Southern <br />Californians.&nbsp; Not much to see, just some overgrown ski runs on <br />private property.&nbsp; Maybe it's the famous name.&nbsp; Or maybe folks are <br />just surprised to find a ski area that far south.&nbsp; (Wait till you hear <br />about the 2 lost ski areas near San Diego!) <br />&nbsp; </p><p>f.&nbsp; BOSTON HILL (No Andover, MA) -&nbsp; Two readers noted that there has <br />been construction activity at this area which most recently housed an <br />archery range.&nbsp;&nbsp; Our guess is condos! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>Note:&nbsp; Please feel free to ask about any lost ski area at any time. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>5.&nbsp; SKI AREA NEWS </p><p>5A - NEW LIFTS&nbsp; (Last time we just listed new lifts.&nbsp; Here are some <br />more specific details.) </p><p>a.&nbsp; JIMINY PEAK, MA&nbsp; -&nbsp; The new quad chair will service several new <br />runs on new terrain to the upper left of the existing mountain. <br />Thanks to reader GIL (MA) for the web site tip. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; LOVELAND, CO - Last time we mentioned the spectacular new <br />chairlift up to the Continental Divide which opens up former walkup <br />open bowl terrain.&nbsp; All necessary gov't agencies had approved the <br />chair - until a state biologist pointed out that the terrain was on <br />top of the Eisenhower tunnel - the only &quot;land bridge&quot; across I-70 in <br />all of Colorado.&nbsp; How will the Lynx and Wolverine get across the <br />freeway?, she asked.&nbsp; When it was pointed out that there are no Lynx <br />or Wolverine in Colorado, she demurred.&nbsp; The chair is being built with <br />the proviso that there will be signs and fencing forcing skiers to <br />return to the Loveland base and not ski down across the divide to the <br />west.&nbsp; FWIW, deer and elk have little problem crossing freeways. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; DEER VALLEY, UT&nbsp; -&nbsp; is opening two new terrain areas.&nbsp; A new <br />Beginner area will be opened to the left of the main base, accessible <br />by the &quot;Little Stick&quot; trail.&nbsp; It (and a connected housing area called <br />&quot;Deer Crest&quot;) will be served by a 6-place gondola and a FG quad.&nbsp; The <br />bigger news is the opening of Empire Canyon (between Deer Valley and <br />Park City ski area) with a HS Quad and a FG quad. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; MAMMOTH, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; is replacing the upper half of their two stage <br />gondola (a 4-place Bell, 1965) with an 8-passenger Doppelmayr gondola <br />as well as a mostly glass upper gondola terminal.&nbsp; Chair 4 (the last <br />of the original Riblet center-pole doubles) will become a HSQ and <br />another HSQ will run up to a point near the top of chair 5. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; RAGGED MOUNTAIN, NH&nbsp; -&nbsp; On our recent NH trip we spent some time <br />touring this charming ski area.&nbsp; For 98-99 they have added a new trail <br />on the main mountain and have added a whole new beginner area, <br />complete with its own slow moving triple chair.&nbsp; There will also be a <br />new base lodge, with a bar/lounge, cafeteria eating space, restrooms, <br />and ski patrol and first aid space.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RAGGED is a rare example of a <br />successful small ski area.&nbsp; Just 10 years ago they had only one double <br />chair and a T-bar with about 20 runs.&nbsp; Now they have 2 triples and 3 <br />doubles and twice the number of trails.&nbsp; Next Spring their new golf <br />course will open.&nbsp; Keep it up, Ragged! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>f.&nbsp; STEAMBOAT, CO&nbsp; -&nbsp; The new HSQ will be the first lift in the new <br />&quot;Pioneer Ridge&quot; terrain, on the left as you look up from town.&nbsp; There <br />will be several new runs and more lifts in the future. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>g.&nbsp; HEAVENLY, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; One new HSQ will replace the &quot;Gunbarrel&quot; chair on <br />the CA side and another will replace the &quot;Stagecoach&quot; chair on the NV <br />side. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>h.&nbsp; MT SUNAPEE, NH&nbsp; -&nbsp; New operator OKEMO, is replacing the Summit <br />chair with a HSQ and a FG quad will service the back side. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>i.&nbsp; BIG SKY, MT&nbsp; -&nbsp; Big news here:&nbsp; a new rope tow!&nbsp; It will service a <br />snowboard park. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>j.&nbsp; MOUNTAIN HIGH EAST&nbsp; -&nbsp; Even bigger news here:&nbsp; a chairlift is <br />being removed!&nbsp; Actually it is an old unused double up the main slope <br />and the tower removal will open up more and safer ski space. <br />&nbsp; <br />&nbsp; </p><p>5B&nbsp; OTHER SKI AREA NEWS </p><p>a.&nbsp; NEW AREA!&nbsp; -&nbsp; For the first time in 20 years (Beaver Creek - 1978) <br />a new ski area is opening on Forest Service land.&nbsp; BLACKTAIL MOUNTAIN <br />is located in the Flathead Valley near Kalispell, MT.&nbsp; It will have 3 <br />(used) chairlifts, 24 runs, and 1440 feet of vertical, all for $24 a <br />day.&nbsp; This is an economical operation which plans to turn a profit. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; THE VAIL FIRES&nbsp; -&nbsp; Arsonists (presumably eco-terrorists) set <br />several major fires on Vail Mountain on the night of 19 October. <br />Totally destroyed were the Ski Patrol Headquarters on Vail Mtn, the <br />very large Two Elk Lodge restaurant, and Camp One, another eating <br />facility.&nbsp; Also damaged were the top terminals of 4 chairlifts.&nbsp; The <br />fires were set to protest the CAT III expansion into supposed Canadian <br />Lynx terrain.&nbsp; However the Lynx is no longer an issue&nbsp; (We may do an <br />essay on that subject - anyone interested?). </p><p>The fires did not much affect the 98-99 Vail operations.&nbsp; The PHQ was <br />replaced by a modular structure and a yert.&nbsp; The Two Elk Lodge (which <br />will be totally rebuilt next summer) was replaced by a huge tent, more <br />modulars, and presumably many, many porta-potties. </p><p>3 of the 4 chairlifts had minimal damage.&nbsp; Mostly just loss of the <br />lift op shacks and some scorched concrete.&nbsp; A little paint and grease <br />and those lifts will be open as originally scheduled.&nbsp; The chair 5 <br />&quot;back bowl&quot; chair, however, has its motor at the top and it was <br />destroyed.&nbsp; Vail estimates 2 months for repair which would be about <br />the time the back bowls open anyway.&nbsp; Access to the &quot;China Bowl&quot; <br />terrain is unaffected. </p><p>FWIW, only about 10% of the entire mountain was affected by these <br />fires.&nbsp; No effect on Golden Peak, Northeast Bowl, Mid-Vail, Chair 3, <br />Game Creek, and Lionshead (gondola and restaurants). <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; FIRE SALE IN THE ROCKIES&nbsp; -&nbsp; Season tickets were sold at a bargain <br />price for a brief time this Fall.&nbsp; COPPER MTN started the sale by <br />offering a Family (2 adults, 2 children) season ticket for $795.&nbsp; Vail <br />Resorts elected to match that offer at their Summit County (Keystone <br />and Breck) areas.&nbsp; Then WINTER PARK upped the ante considerably by <br />offering a $795 ticket for ANY 4 unrelated skiers, the so-called <br />&quot;buddy pass&quot;.&nbsp; Vail and Copper Mtn matched that offer.&nbsp; So that means <br />that you could get a season pass for just $200 (if you had 3 friends). <br />They sold like hotcakes.&nbsp; 90,000 passes were sold in a few weeks. </p><p>Analysis:&nbsp; The ski areas took in $18 mill of upfront (pre-season) cash <br />and rekindled skiing interest on the Front Range (e.g., Denver).&nbsp; Some <br />analysts, however, looked at the downside.&nbsp; If the areas don't repeat <br />the offer next year, the &quot;new&quot; skiers will quit in disgust.&nbsp; Some <br />local ski bums have bought the passes and now don't need to work the <br />40 hours a week required to earn a pass.&nbsp; So, a potential labor <br />shortage problem.&nbsp; Ski bums in VAIL and BEAVER CREEK were miffed that <br />their areas weren't in on the deal.&nbsp; And, there will probably be big <br />crowds on weekends.&nbsp; Bottom line?&nbsp; Too soon to tell. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; SEVEN SPRINGS (PA)&nbsp; -&nbsp; has been sold to Booth Creek Ski Holdings. <br />This area, possibly the oldest in the state, was owned by the Dupre <br />family which had become splintered in recent years - hence the sale. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; MT ABRAMS (ME)&nbsp; -&nbsp; We reported this area for sale.&nbsp; It has been <br />sold and will continue to operate. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>f.&nbsp; &quot;Bolt on&quot; as in &quot;to screw up&quot; - We have previously reported that a <br />young college grad talked his family into buying the BOLTON VALLEY, VT <br />ski area so he would have a career.&nbsp; Unfortunately they forgot to buy <br />the base lodge.&nbsp; Now we learn that they also forgot to buy the name! <br />So last season the ski area was called &quot;Bolt'n in Vermont&quot;.&nbsp; How <br />cornball!&nbsp; The son has now given up and the area status is uncertain. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>g.&nbsp; NEW JERSEY is known as the &quot;Truck Garden State&quot; but is not known <br />as an alpine skiing Mecca.&nbsp; 17 ski areas have become &quot;lost&quot;.&nbsp; This <br />year, add two more.&nbsp; BELLE MOUNTAIN and CRAIGMEUR have silently packed <br />up their ticket booths and snow guns.&nbsp; Both could re-open some day. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>h.&nbsp; THREE STRIKES, YOU'RE OUT!&nbsp; -&nbsp; For the third (3rd) year in a row, <br />the Men's World Cup Downhill race scheduled for WHISTLER (BC) had to <br />be canceled due to poor snow, wet/icy conditions, or fog.&nbsp; Give it up, <br />guys!&nbsp;&nbsp; Leave it to real ski areas like VAIL. <br />&nbsp; <br />&nbsp; </p><p>5C&nbsp; EARLY OPENINGS </p><p>It hasn't been a very good early season for ski area openings. <br />LOVELAND was the first to open, on 13 Oct.&nbsp; KEYSTONE, which in the <br />last 3 years has either tied or beaten Loveland, decided not to <br />compete this season, opting to wait until they could open several <br />runs.&nbsp; Waiting didn't help and they opened with only one run on 23 <br />Oct.&nbsp; Meanwhile, HEAVENLY opened on 18 Oct with one very short run. </p><p>KILLINGTON&nbsp; gave it the old prep school try on 22 Oct (with their <br />strange combination of lifts, walking, and wagon rides for access!) <br />but closed after 3 days.&nbsp; The best news was WOLF CREEK, CO&nbsp; which <br />opened on 30 Oct with a 50 inch natural base.&nbsp; Within a few days they <br />had all runs and lifts open with a 55 inch base&nbsp; (and then got another <br />22 inch dump to bring their base to 72 inches). </p><p>New England finally fired off a few snow gun salutes on 5 Nov with <br />Killington, Sunday River, Sugarbush, and Okemo opening their ticket <br />windows.&nbsp; Hunter (NY) followed on 6 Nov. </p><p>Meanwhile, back in Colo, Breck, Copper, Winter Park, and Vail all <br />pushed back their opening dates due to poor snowmaking weather. Breck <br />finally opened on 6 Nov, Vail on 9 Nov, and Berthoud Pass (natural <br />snow) opened on 10 Nov.&nbsp;&nbsp; Unfortunately, not much snow since then. </p><p>[Note:&nbsp; One &quot;natural snow area&quot;, SKI COOPER, which traditionally opens <br />around Thanksgiving, still had not opened as of 14 Dec.] </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>6.&nbsp; ERRATA,&nbsp; CORRECTIONS, AND UPDATES&nbsp; -&nbsp; (Wow, a whole section just <br />on our mistakes!) </p><p>a.&nbsp; KILLINGTON will not be connecting with PICO this season.&nbsp; We <br />naively depended on the 97/98 trail map which showed the 98 expansion. <br />If trail maps were accurate predictors, LOON would have expanded years <br />ago! </p><p>Killington and the state of Vermont have signed an agreement which <br />allows for the interconnect and also calls for a land swap and some <br />adjustments in the taking of water for snowmaking.&nbsp; The ski area, the <br />state, and environmental groups are satisfied with the agreement. <br />However with all that land and water swapping, apparently adjacent <br />land owners have to get in their say and there might be lawsuits.&nbsp; So <br />ASC prudently decided to delay the start of this quite expensive <br />project until all parties have been heard from.&nbsp; Maybe next year. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; SQUAW VALLEY Funitel&nbsp; -&nbsp; As several readers pointed out, the new <br />high capacity gondola from the base will travel to GOLD COAST, not <br />High Camp.&nbsp; High Camp is still served by the tram. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; Clarification - In the last issue, under &quot;Lost Nevada&quot; ski areas, <br />we listed INCLINE VILLAGE SKI BOWL and MT ROSE BOWL.&nbsp; Several readers <br />suggested that these ski areas are still open.&nbsp; Actually the first <br />name is a one-time name for &quot;Ski Incline&quot; which is still open (as <br />Diamond Peak).&nbsp; We forgot our rule of never listing alternate names of <br />open ski areas as &quot;lost areas&quot; - it just confuses folks (e.g., Pico <br />Peak, Killington Basin).&nbsp; OTOH, Mt Rose Bowl refers to neither the <br />current Mt Rose or to Slide Mtn.&nbsp; All is revealed in the next issue. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; HEAVENLY VALLEY - actually doesn't exist.&nbsp; This California ski <br />area changed their name to just &quot;HEAVENLY&quot; several years ago.&nbsp; (We <br />don't pay enough attention to OPEN ski areas!)&nbsp; During our research to <br />determine when, exactly, they changed their name we observed that <br />major ski guides like The White Book didn't note the change until <br />around 1991.&nbsp; However, the Heavenly (Valley) brochures showed the name <br />change way back in 1972!&nbsp; (Apparently a stealth name change.) </p><p>[Reminds us of a joke.&nbsp; An NFL team with the very non-PC name of <br />&quot;Washington Redskins Football Team&quot; has bowed to public pressure and <br />changed their name to just &quot;Washington Redskins&quot;.&nbsp; (Think about it!) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>7.&nbsp; BUILDERS EMPORIUM </p><p>a.&nbsp; Lift Cable Tensioners - For those of you tired of checking to see <br />if your chairlifts run CW or CCW, here are two new things to look for. <br />The bullwheel on the lower lift terminal is not fixed, but rather <br />rests on a movable carriage which runs on tracks.&nbsp; The carriage moves <br />back and forth as forces on the cable change.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Well, consider a <br />chairlift at rest - between towers the cable sags some from its own <br />wait plus the weight of several empty chairs.&nbsp; Now add 300 lbs of <br />skiers for each chair between a set of towers.&nbsp; The cable will sag <br />some more.&nbsp; But as it sags, the cable must get longer.&nbsp; So where does <br />the extra length come from?&nbsp; Voila'!&nbsp; The bullwheel carriage moves <br />forward (uphill) to allow for the cable sag (and moves backwards to <br />account for a cable stretching over time). </p><p>What keeps the carriage from moving all the way forward (to its limit <br />switches) each time it moves?&nbsp; Well, on older lifts, there is a cable <br />running from the back (downhill side) of the carriage, over a pulley, <br />and to a giant concrete slab.&nbsp; The weight of the concrete and the <br />length of the carriage travel are carefully set to match the minimum <br />and maximum tensions required for the lift cable. </p><p>Modern lifts have replaced the concrete weight with one or two <br />pneumatic or hydraulic pistons to provide the proper tension.&nbsp; The <br />major advantage here is the smaller space taken up by the pistons as <br />compared with the pulley and weight system.&nbsp; This is especially <br />convenient with bullwheel loading lifts where the skiing public is <br />waiting in line about where that weight would be.&nbsp; Feel free to check <br />all this out and report back this ski season. </p><p>Note:&nbsp; These mechanisms are most easily viewed on FG lifts.&nbsp; For <br />detachable lifts there is that big overhead building and the transfer <br />track which interfere with convenient viewing.&nbsp; Consider that when you <br />board the chair, you are behind the bullwheel and the chair is not <br />even on the main cable.&nbsp; Once you settle in the chair you will have to <br />look up for the pistons just before the chair accelerates you into <br />outer space.&nbsp; Try not to fall off while doing research! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; In the next issue we will discuss chairlift &quot;chair&quot; construction. <br />The magic shape of the month will be the &quot;triangle&quot;. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; YAN Grips - In the past we may have given the impression that ski <br />areas were correcting the alleged faulty YAN grips problem (on just <br />one of the YAN models) by merely replacing the grips.&nbsp; Not so.&nbsp; Might <br />work on FG lifts but not on Detachables.&nbsp; Every brand of grips is <br />different.&nbsp; So the rehabbed Yan lifts are almost totally rebuilt.&nbsp; New <br />motor and controls, new terminals, new grips and hangers.&nbsp; What can be <br />salvaged is the chairs, the towers, the terminal supports, and <br />sometimes the main cable.&nbsp; The latest rehab is the &quot;Sunday River <br />Express&quot; HSQ at Sunday River which is being rebuilt by Poma. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; SURPRISE!&nbsp; -&nbsp; We had assumed that after the lift grip fiasco that <br />Yan lift builder LIFT ENGINEERING (of Carson City, NV) had gone out of <br />business.&nbsp; Not so.&nbsp; According to their ads and industry news, Lift <br />Engineering is still working in the skilift industry. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; SAMSON?&nbsp; -&nbsp; We are at least a little bit familiar with most of the <br />skilift manufacturers but have never heard of Samson.&nbsp; They built 27 <br />chairlifts between 1971 and 1988.&nbsp; Anyone seen any of their lifts? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>8.&nbsp; SNAVELY'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE </p><p>In early October we made our annual pilgrimage to New Hampshire to <br />check on loving relatives, good friends, fall colors, and a few ski <br />areas new and old.&nbsp; We already mentioned our two &quot;lost ski area&quot; <br />visits to COPPLE CROWN and CAMPTON, up under Section 4 (Lost).&nbsp; We <br />also visited RAGGED MOUNTAIN which is described in Section 5. </p><p>One major highlight of our trip was a visit to SUNDAY RIVER, ME. <br />There we caught up with long time TCS newsletter contributor, SKIP <br />KING.&nbsp; Skip was kind enough to give Sissy and me a tour of some <br />facilities.&nbsp; We toured the pump house and control room for the <br />snowmaking - and learned a lot.&nbsp; We studied the movable bullwheel <br />carriage and tensioner weight for a FG lift (as discussed above).&nbsp; And <br />Skip provided a step by step explanation of how a detachable chairlift <br />works from the arrival of a chair at the lower terminal, to its <br />departure, including the grip mechanism, the auxiliary track through <br />the terminal, and the reconnect to the main cable.&nbsp; Fascinating and <br />complicated!&nbsp; Thanks muchly, Skip. </p><p>[BTW, the next time you folks are near the South Ridge Base Lodge, go <br />upstairs to the restaurant area and check out the historic ski lift <br />items:&nbsp; a Cranmore skimobile car, and an example of the Sugarbush, <br />Killington, and Mt Snow gondola cars.&nbsp; Cool!] <br />&nbsp; </p><p>Got to mention the DEERFIELD FAIR.&nbsp; This is a classic old-time <br />agricultural fair in Deerfield, NH.&nbsp; We saw a neat dressage-type horse <br />show and some serious &quot;hoss-pullin' heyah at the Deahfield Fayeh&quot;.&nbsp; My <br />personal highlight was the french fries.&nbsp; No frozen, reconstituted <br />potatoes here.&nbsp; Fresh, whole washed potatoes are sliced as you watch <br />and then dumped into the oil, with skins on.&nbsp; More than I could eat <br />for $1.50.&nbsp; The condiment table held the usual salt and ketchup and - <br />could it be ?&nbsp; Yes, vinegar!&nbsp; The only way to eat french fries.&nbsp; Yum. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>9.&nbsp; POTPOURRI </p><p>a.&nbsp; UTAH 2002&nbsp; -&nbsp; Last time we mentioned the many, many construction <br />projects still required for the Olympics.&nbsp; Here are two more:&nbsp; There <br />will be (hopefully) an entirely new access highway to SNOW BASIN <br />(venue for alpine speed races).&nbsp; We thought that the athletes dorms <br />would be at the University of Utah in downtown SLC.&nbsp; True - except <br />that they haven't been built yet.&nbsp; Need a job in construction? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; SILVER CREEK, IA&nbsp; -&nbsp; After we mentioned this area being for sale, <br />reader TRENT (from where?) recalled calling this area after a snow <br />dump and asking how conditions were.&nbsp; The man who answered the phone <br />said conditions would be fine once they mowed the grass! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; MOUNTAIN CREEK, NJ&nbsp; -&nbsp; This area originally planned a six-pack <br />chair for one high traffic area, but opted instead for an eight <br />passenger standup gondola.&nbsp; The reason:&nbsp; They figured that their <br />target skier clientele, New Yorkers, could never get organized enough <br />to line up six abreast, but they all knew how to board elevators! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; &quot;WIDE OPEN SPACES&quot;&nbsp; (OT)&nbsp; -&nbsp; Appropriately, the video for this <br />&quot;Dixie Chicks&quot; hit single was filmed in Colorado.&nbsp; The outdoor music <br />venue shown is at SILVER CREEK (ski area), CO. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>10. 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        <![CDATA[<h2>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER</h2>&nbsp; <p>Researching &quot;lost&quot; ski areas is the hobby of THE COLORADO SKIER.&nbsp; We <br />have reported our findings on COLORADO, the SOUTHEAST, NEW HAMPSHIRE, <br />and are now doing VERMONT and ILLINOIS.&nbsp; Is your state next? </p><p>For more trivial information on skiing and ski areas, check out our <br />separately posted companion articles entitled:&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - <br />TRIVIA&quot;&nbsp; and&nbsp; &quot;THE TCS LISTS&quot;. <br />&nbsp; <br />&nbsp; </p><ul>LOST &quot;COLORADO&quot; SKI AREAS&nbsp; -&nbsp; EDITION #26&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (7-30-98)</ul>&nbsp; <p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: <br />&nbsp; </p><p>A.&nbsp; TCS ANNIVERSARY&nbsp; -&nbsp; This issue completes our SIXTH year of <br />publishing &quot;The Colorado Skier&quot; on the Internet.&nbsp; Thanks for sticking <br />with us. </p><p>B.&nbsp; From time to time we receive complaints about doing &quot;off-topic&quot; <br />material such as trivia about cars, tires, and gasoline stations.&nbsp; We <br />love trivia so probably won't stop.&nbsp; However, we will try to add the <br />identifier &quot;OT&quot; to future off-topic material (non-skiing stuff). </p><p>C.&nbsp; Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF <br />SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>1A.&nbsp; THE LOST SKI AREAS OF VERMONT&nbsp;&nbsp; (continued) </p><p>Here is the info on the 10 VERMONT ski areas we listed last time. </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; {Copyright 1998, THE COLORADO SKIER.&nbsp; All rights reserved.} <br />&nbsp; </p><p>MT. TOM&nbsp;&nbsp; (Woodstock),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Located 2 miles north of Woodstock <br />on Hiway 12.&nbsp; Called &quot;Mt. Tom Skiway&quot; in 1949 and 1961.&nbsp; Became <br />associated with SUICIDE SIX in 1977 (sometimes collectively called <br />&quot;Woodstock&quot;) and closed in 1982. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 500 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Top:&nbsp; 1200&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base:&nbsp; 700 <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 Pomas&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 80% snowmaking <br />&nbsp; </p><p>NORTHEAST SLOPES&nbsp;&nbsp; (East Corinth),&nbsp; [obscure],&nbsp; Located north of East <br />Corinth on Hiway 25.&nbsp; Opened in 1936.&nbsp; Open thru 1991.&nbsp; Still open, <br />according to some readers. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 360 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Top:&nbsp; 1180&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base:&nbsp; 820 <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 surface tows&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 46 acres <br />&nbsp; </p><p>NORTHFIELD OUTING CLUB&nbsp;&nbsp; (Northfield),&nbsp; [obscure],&nbsp; Located in the <br />town of Northfield.&nbsp; Small area, 1 rope tow, 1 40M ski jump. <br />Apparently separate from the NORWICH UNIVERSITY ski area. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>OXBOW MOUNTAIN&nbsp;&nbsp; (W. Bolton),&nbsp; [name change],&nbsp; Located just south of <br />W. Bolton on Bolton Notch Rd.&nbsp; Very small area.&nbsp; Was open by 1971. <br />Changed name to EAGLE ROCK in 1977 and closed in 1978. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; ? <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 handle tows, 1 rope tow&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; night skiing <br />&nbsp; </p><p>PEACHAM COMMUNITY SKI AREA&nbsp;&nbsp; (Peacham),&nbsp; [very obscure],&nbsp; Located 2 <br />miles northeast of Peacham near the Ewells Mills.&nbsp; Found only on maps <br />- from 1961 to 1971. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 150 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Top:&nbsp; 1500&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base:&nbsp; 1350 <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 1 rope tow <br />&nbsp; </p><p>PINE TOP&nbsp;&nbsp; (Brattleboro),&nbsp; [very obscure],&nbsp; Located 9 miles south of <br />Brattleboro on VT 142 near the town of Vernon in So. Vernon.&nbsp; &quot;On the <br />premises of Stonehurst on Huckle Hill&quot;.&nbsp; Data from 1947 to 1969. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 300 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 3 rope tows <br />&nbsp; </p><p>PINNACLE SKI-WAYS&nbsp;&nbsp; (Randolph),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Located 2 miles south and <br />west of Randolph off VT 12.&nbsp; Also called &quot;Pinnacle Mountain&quot;. <br />Operated from about 1940 to 1977.&nbsp;&nbsp; Called &quot;Randolph&quot; in 1940. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 550 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Top:&nbsp; 1300&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base:&nbsp; 750 <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 Pomas <br />&nbsp; </p><p>PROSPECT MOUNTAIN&nbsp;&nbsp; (Bennington),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Located 8 miles east of <br />Bennington on VT 9 near Woodford.&nbsp; Opened in 1939 as a small rope tow <br />area.&nbsp; Expanded in 1960 with the addition of a T-bar.&nbsp; Closed about <br />1989.&nbsp; The area is currently a very active cross-country area.&nbsp; At <br />least one of the T-bars still exists. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 726 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Top:&nbsp; 2876&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base:&nbsp; 2150 <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 T-bars, 1 rope tow <br />&nbsp; </p><p>PROSPER SKI HILL&nbsp;&nbsp; (Woodstock),&nbsp; [very obscure],&nbsp; Located 4 miles <br />north of Woodstock on VT 12 near the town of &quot;Prosper&quot;.&nbsp; Data from <br />1947 and 1949. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 400 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 3 rope tows <br />&nbsp; </p><p>PULSIFER'S&nbsp;&nbsp; (Woodstock),&nbsp; [very obscure],&nbsp; Located on the back side <br />of MT. TOM according to a 1939 book.&nbsp; Rope tow. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><br />&nbsp; <br />1B.&nbsp; Who remembers these Lost VERMONT Ski Areas? <p>&nbsp;&nbsp; The Putney School <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Randolph <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Retreat <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Richmond Ski Tow <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Round Top Mountain </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Ski Bowl <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Skyline <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Snow Valley <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Sonnenburg <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Springfield </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>1C.&nbsp; THE LOST SKI AREAS OF ILLINOIS </p><p>&nbsp; Here is the info on the 10 ILLINOIS ski areas we listed last time. </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; {Copyright 1998, THE COLORADO SKIER.&nbsp; All rights reserved.} <br />&nbsp; </p><p>BARBERRY HILLS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Cary),&nbsp; [very obscure],&nbsp; Located 1 mile east of <br />Cary at Fox River Grove on US 14.&nbsp; Might be FOX TRAILS (which see). <br />Data from 1967. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 145 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 rope tows <br />&nbsp; </p><p>BUFFALO PARK&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Algonquin),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Also known as BUFFALO <br />MOUNTAIN (from 1978 on).&nbsp; Located on IL 31, 1 mile south of Algonquin. <br />Operated from about 1964 to 1983. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 200 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 6 rope tows <br />&nbsp; night skiing&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 100% snowmaking <br />&nbsp; </p><p>FOX TRAILS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Cary),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Located southwest of Cary, off US <br />14.&nbsp;&nbsp; Also called &quot;Norge Ski Slide&quot; on a 1973 highway map.&nbsp; Operated <br />from about 1964 to 1976.&nbsp;&nbsp; [See Barberry Hills.] <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 135 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 9 rope tows <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; night skiing&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; snowmaking <br />&nbsp; </p><p>GANDER MOUNTAIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Antioch),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Located 8 miles west of <br />Antioch and north of Hiway 173.&nbsp; Operated from about 1964 to 1974. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 200 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 3 Pomas,&nbsp; 6 rope tows <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; night skiing <br />&nbsp; </p><p>HOLIDAY PARK&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Ingleside),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Located off US 12, on Hiway <br />134, 2 miles south of Fox Lake.&nbsp; Toboggan run.&nbsp; Operated from about <br />1967 to 1986. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 200 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Top:&nbsp; 850 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base:&nbsp; 650 <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 1 double chair, 5 rope tows&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; night skiing&nbsp; 100% snowmaking <br />&nbsp; </p><p>JAMES PARK&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Evanston),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Located in southwest Evanston <br />near Dodge Ave and Oakton St.&nbsp; Part of a city winter sports park with <br />indoor and outdoor ice rinks, sledding, and tobogganing hills. <br />Operated from about 1977 to the mid to late 80's. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 300 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 rope tows <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; night skiing&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 100% snowmaking <br />&nbsp; </p><p>LOST VALLEY&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Spring Grove),&nbsp; [obscure],&nbsp; Located off Hiway 12, <br />north of Fox Lake.&nbsp; Operated from about 1976 to 1979. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 200&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 chairlifts,&nbsp; 2 rope tows <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; night skiing <br />&nbsp; </p><p>MARRIOTT'S LINCOLNSHIRE RESORT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Lincolnshire),&nbsp; [closed],&nbsp; Located <br />on the grounds of the large (400 rooms) Marriott resort.&nbsp; Operated <br />from about 1976 to 1983. <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 50 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; night skiing <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 1 T-bar <br />&nbsp; </p><p>PERE MARQUETTE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Grafton),&nbsp; [very obscure],&nbsp; To be located in a park <br />north of St. Louis.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [Oct 71 SKI magazine - stopped because of bald <br />eagle nesting site.] <br />&nbsp; Vertical Drop:&nbsp; 420 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Top:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Base:&nbsp; 500 <br />&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; chairlift,&nbsp; 4 rope tows&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 100%&nbsp; snowmaking <br />&nbsp; </p><p>QUINCY PARK&nbsp;&nbsp; ( ?? ),&nbsp; [very obscure],&nbsp; New lift in 1967. [Sep 67 SKI] <br />&nbsp; </p><p>This completes Lost Illinois and we move west to Nevada. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>1D.&nbsp; Who remembers these Lost NEVADA Ski Areas? </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Adobe Summit <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Elko Sno Bowl <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Galena Creek <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Grass Lake <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Incline Village Ski Bowl </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Kyle Canyon <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Mt Charleston <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Mt Rose Bowl <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Murray Summit <br />&nbsp;&nbsp; Pequop Summit </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>2.&nbsp; LOST SKI AREAS FOLLOW-UP </p><p>a.&nbsp; DEERFIELD Ski Area&nbsp; -&nbsp; Last time we mentioned that Jeremy had <br />espied a ski area east of I-91 in the general vicinity of the town of <br />Deerfield, MA.&nbsp; Some suggested that it belonged to the DEERFIELD <br />ACADEMY.&nbsp; Very close.&nbsp; Deerfield is a prep school to prepare <br />youngsters for entry into college.&nbsp; It has a sister school, <br />EAGLEBROOK, which apparently prepares youngsters for entry into <br />Deerfield.&nbsp; The ski area is located on the Eaglebrook campus and is <br />used by both schools.&nbsp; The area has a T-bar and a few hundred feet of <br />vertical.&nbsp; Jeremy found some info on the Internet.&nbsp; Thanks, Jeremy. <br />BTW, the ski area is open to the public one day a year. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; AMESBURY, MA&nbsp; -&nbsp; We have data on ski areas in this vicinity <br />variously called:&nbsp; Amesbury Ski Tow,&nbsp; Locke's Hill,&nbsp; Locke's Ski Tow, <br />and Atlantic Forest.&nbsp; On different days we think there were 3 separate <br />areas, or just two, or maybe just one with lots of names.&nbsp; Anyone have <br />any concrete info on how many areas there were? <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; INTERVALE, NH&nbsp; -&nbsp; We failed to find this old area on a field trip <br />last Fall and some readers wondered where we looked and where we <br />thought it might be.&nbsp;&nbsp; So:&nbsp; It is North of Intervale (in Lower <br />Bartlett), on the East side of Hiway 16A, on the South side of the <br />East Branch of the Saco River.&nbsp; We drove up 16, crossed over to 16A <br />near the river and then turned East on a good road on the North side <br />of the river.&nbsp; We figured we could see the ski area across the river <br />if the area had faced north.&nbsp; Not a trace.&nbsp; No cuts in the thick <br />forest.&nbsp; And no bridges to cross the river.&nbsp;&nbsp; So, if we went looking <br />again we would look for a small road (heading East) off 16A just South <br />of the river and we would look for places to ask questions.&nbsp; The area <br />had a 600 ft vertical and a T-bar and Poma.&nbsp; Jeremy discovered that <br />the Poma has been removed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Let us know what you find. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; SUPREME FIELD AGENT - From time to time we have bestowed the title <br />of &quot;TCS Field Agent&quot; on TCS readers who go out into the field to check <br />on lost ski areas.&nbsp; These are the folks who have stopped to check on <br />the status of lost areas in their vicinity or who have gone out of <br />their way to drive to a lost area or who have reported on areas that <br />we missed.&nbsp; You know who you are - if we printed a list, we would <br />leave someone out. </p><p>Now lets talk about JEREMY.&nbsp; He goes out almost every weekend to check <br />on lost ski areas.&nbsp; And he finds lots of them, including many we <br />haven't been aware of.&nbsp; And he stops to ask questions and to do <br />research.&nbsp; Jeremy is a real fan of lost ski areas and thankfully he <br />reports his findings to us.&nbsp; Jeremy goes to school in VT and lives in <br />MA so his main beat is New England.&nbsp; And he covers it well.&nbsp; Keep it <br />up, Jer, and thanks for sharing! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; Please feel free to ask about any lost US ski area at any time. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>3.&nbsp; TRIVIA QUESTIONS FOLLOW-UP </p><p>a.&nbsp; &quot;OLDEST SKI LIFT IN COLORADO&quot; is an item we have been researching. <br />Last time we did a partial analysis wherein we reported that there are <br />no rope tows remaining in CO.&nbsp; Oops!&nbsp; We were thinking of major areas. <br />JIMMY (CO) points out:&nbsp; CRANOR HILL - Poma, ropetow;&nbsp; CHAPMAN HILL - 2 <br />rope tows;&nbsp; OURAY - 1 rope tow;&nbsp; LAKE CITY (we have as a T-bar). <br />Sorry about that.&nbsp; GEORGE (CO) asks about handle tows.&nbsp; Yes, there are <br />several handle tows in Colorado but they are all fairly new. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; SNEAKY TRIVIA&nbsp; (OT)&nbsp; -&nbsp; The movie &quot;Titanic&quot; received 14 Oscar <br />nominations.&nbsp; What is the largest number of nominations a single <br />feature film can receive?&nbsp;&nbsp; ANSWER:&nbsp;&nbsp; 17&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Titanic missed on <br />Screenplay, Best Actor, and Best Supporting Actor. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; INSTANT TRIVIA&nbsp; -&nbsp; In what year did computer manufacturer GATEWAY <br />2000 become just GATEWAY?&nbsp; Answer - 1998.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SILLY TRIVIA&nbsp; (OT)&nbsp; -&nbsp; In <br />what year did The Green Hornet's faithful Japanese valet Kato, become <br />his faithful Filipino valet Kato? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>4.&nbsp; THE 1998 SPRING SKIING SEASON </p><p>Great Winters lead to Great Springs, so this year it was the Far West. <br />Elsewhere, with a few exceptions, it was not a great Spring. </p><p>[Note:&nbsp; In the past we have used phone recordings for closing data. <br />This year we used the Internet which is slightly less reliable.] </p><p>Sunday River closed on 2 May&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Killington closed on 25 May </p><p>Vail, Winter Park, Breckenridge, Keystone closed on 3 May <br />Loveland&nbsp; 10 May&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Berthoud Pass&nbsp; 7 June&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A-Basin&nbsp; 21 June </p><p>Snowbird (UT) usually operates weekends thru May, but this year <br />(weekends) made it to 14 June. </p><p>Squaw Valley&nbsp; 1 June&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Alpine Meadows&nbsp; 7 June, plus weekends thru 28 <br />June&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mammoth&nbsp; 5 July </p><p>Mt Bachelor (OR) closed 4 July.&nbsp; Timberline is, of course, still open. </p><p>Blackcomb (BC)&nbsp;&nbsp; plans to be open until 3 August. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><br />5.&nbsp; SKI AREA NEWS <br />&nbsp; <p>a.&nbsp; Oh my God!&nbsp; They've killed MT TOM!&nbsp; Those bastards!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yes, Mt Tom <br />(MA) is a goner.&nbsp; And their summer water park as well.&nbsp; Two bad snow <br />seasons hurt, and then Riverside (just down the road) opened a big <br />water park. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; KILLINGTON (VT) - Will be adding two quad chairs, a few trails, <br />and making the connection to PICO this season. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; COPPER MTN (CO)&nbsp; -&nbsp; Owner Intrawest is planning to spend $400 mill <br />at Copper over the next 10 years.&nbsp; They plan to change Copper from a <br />great ski area to a world class resort.&nbsp; This year it is $66 mill for <br />two new HS lifts, and an entire new base lodge at the bottom of B <br />lift.&nbsp; A Six-Pack will replace the B and B1 doubles.&nbsp; A HSQ will <br />replace the E triple.&nbsp; BTW, the two doubles and triple are for sale. <br />Now's your opportunity! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; VAIL is spending $59 mill this year.&nbsp; Sound like a lot?&nbsp; Look <br />again.&nbsp; That's 59 mill for 4 ski areas vs 66 mill at just Copper! <br />KEYSTONE will get a new HS quad to replace the Santiago triple on <br />North Peak (about time).&nbsp; Also big improvements to their snowboard <br />parks.&nbsp; BRECK gets a new HSQ, too.&nbsp; Everyone gets infrastructure and <br />services stuff.&nbsp; BRECK has long range plans to build a new lift and <br />trails on Peak 7. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; WINTER PARK (CO)&nbsp; -&nbsp; Has started their base village with a combo <br />condo/retail bldg.&nbsp; It took out 200 parking spaces and an inter- <br />mountain&nbsp; (MJ to WP) connecting trail.&nbsp; Whoopee. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>f.&nbsp; SQUAW VALLEY (CA)&nbsp; -&nbsp; Will finish constructing the pulse gondola <br />which connects High Camp with Gold Coast.&nbsp; And they will build the <br />&quot;funitel&quot; (Garaventa) from the base to High Camp.&nbsp; The funitel (first <br />in the US) will have 28-passenger gondola cars and two parallel <br />support cables which allows operation in high winds.&nbsp; The capacity is <br />4000 pph. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>g.&nbsp; VERNON VALLEY (NJ) is getting a complete makeover.&nbsp; This used to <br />be two areas called Vernon Valley and Great Gorge (formerly operated <br />by Playboy).&nbsp; Intrawest bought the combined area and changed the name <br />to MOUNTAIN CREEK.&nbsp; Get this, Intrawest is ripping out 15 of the <br />existing 17 lifts!&nbsp; What they had was 13 doubles, one triple and 3 <br />surface lifts.&nbsp; Going in this season are 2 HS Quads, 1 FG Quad, and 1 <br />8 passenger gondola (all from Doppelmayr). </p><p>There will be more lifts next season.&nbsp; Also the snowmaking is being <br />completely redone.&nbsp; The summer &quot;Action Park&quot; (now renamed Mountain <br />Creek) will be tamed and &quot;familyized&quot; by the removal of the bungee <br />jump and go-cart tracks.&nbsp; Intrawest will heavily market the area to <br />NYC. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>h.&nbsp; SNOW BASIN lives!&nbsp; -&nbsp; We wondered when Utah would get around to <br />thinking about the Olympic venues (see article under Potpourri).&nbsp; Snow <br />Basin will be the home of the Men's and Women's Downhill races.&nbsp; But, <br />as we speak these courses and a way to reach them do not exist. <br />However, this summer Snow Basin will be installing:&nbsp; 1 HSQ, 2 8- <br />passenger gondolas, and 1 15-place jigback tram - all from Doppelmayr. <br />Progress! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>i.&nbsp; LOVELAND (CO)&nbsp; -&nbsp; Is still planning to build a chairlift up to the <br />Continental Divide (within their permit area).&nbsp; However, now the <br />Forest Service biologists are taking a second look.&nbsp; They are <br />concerned because Loveland sits atop the Eisenhower Tunnel which is <br />the only place in Colorado where wildlife can cross the I-70 freeway <br />unimpeded.&nbsp; Chances are the chairlift will be allowed with <br />restrictions on Spring and Fall usage and prohibition of Summer use. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>j.&nbsp; OKEMO (VT)&nbsp; -&nbsp; Will be operating the MT SUNAPEE (NH) ski area for <br />the state of NH.&nbsp; Fees from the lease will be used to help upgrade <br />CANNON. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>k.&nbsp; OTHER LIFT NEWS&nbsp; -&nbsp; Usually we report on new ski lifts based on <br />news releases from the ski areas.&nbsp; This year we also have obtained <br />news releases from the lift manufacturers.&nbsp; Lots more data, but a <br />little sterile:&nbsp; just the type of lift, capacity, and of course, the <br />manufacturer.&nbsp; No details on placement, name, etc.&nbsp; To keep it short <br />we have omitted Canada. </p><p>EAST&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (HSQ =3D detachable quad,&nbsp; GC =3D Garaventa CTEC) </p><p>Mad River Glen, VT&nbsp; -&nbsp; FG double&nbsp; (replacing Sunnyside double)&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Mt. Snow, VT&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; Doppelmayr <br />Jiminy Peak, MA&nbsp; - FG Quad&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Attitash, NH&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Holimont, NY&nbsp; -&nbsp; FG triple&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Snowshoe, WV&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; GC </p><p>MIDWEST </p><p>Crystal Mtn, MI&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; Poma <br />Schuss Mtn, MI&nbsp; -&nbsp; FG Quad&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Alpine Valley, WI&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; Poma <br />Cascade, WI&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; Dopp </p><p>ROCKIES </p><p>Aspen Highlands, CO&nbsp; -&nbsp; FG triple&nbsp;&nbsp; Poma <br />Steamboat, CO&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Angel Fire, NM&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; Leitner <br />Snowbird, UT&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Park City, UT&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Deer Valley, UT&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ, FG Quad, 6-place gondola&nbsp; all GC <br />The Canyons, UT&nbsp; -&nbsp; 2 HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; GC </p><p>WEST </p><p>Crystal Mtn, WA&nbsp; -&nbsp; Six-pack chair&nbsp;&nbsp; Dopp <br />Stevens Pass, WA&nbsp; -&nbsp; HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; GC </p><p>Alpine Meadows, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; FG triple&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Dodge Ridge, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; FG Quad&nbsp; GC <br />Heavenly Valley, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; 2 HSQ&nbsp;&nbsp; Doppelmayr <br />Mammoth Mtn, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; 2 HSQ, 8 passenger gondola&nbsp;&nbsp; Dopp <br />Kirkwood, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; FG Quad&nbsp;&nbsp; GC <br />Sugar Bowl, CA&nbsp; -&nbsp; FG Quad&nbsp;&nbsp; GC </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>6.&nbsp; BUILDER'S EMPORIUM <br />&nbsp; </p><p>a.&nbsp; BIG GOLF CART!&nbsp; -&nbsp; We are always looking for &quot;ski lifts&quot; used in <br />non-skiing environments.&nbsp; In Myrtle Beach, SC (golf capitol of the <br />world) there is a golf course called &quot;Skyway&quot; which is located across <br />the intracoastal waterway from the main highway.&nbsp; The parking lot <br />connects to the clubhouse by gondola.&nbsp; There are two CWA cars <br />operating in pulse mode.&nbsp; The cable is continuous, like a gondola, but <br />the cars stop in each terminal for loading/unloading golfers, golf <br />bags, golf tees, etc. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; PACOIMA?&nbsp; -&nbsp; In amongst the ski lift info was the news that the <br />County&nbsp; of Los Angeles has purchased a one car jigback tramway for use <br />in the Pacoima Dam vicinity.&nbsp; Anyone know what for?&nbsp; Sounds pretty low <br />capacity.&nbsp; BTW, Pacoima is in the extreme north end of the San <br />Fernando Valley. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; BRAND LOYALTY&nbsp; -&nbsp; One might think that ski areas would tend to buy <br />the same brand of ski-lift year after year.&nbsp; Like airlines buying <br />aircraft, having one brand reduces training time and requires less <br />spare parts, etc.&nbsp; So, true?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Since the lifts are nearly <br />identical and cost the same the only criterion is &quot;when can you <br />install it?&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Case in point.&nbsp; Last year THE CANYONS (UT) bought a <br />HSQ from Doppelmayr, a HSQ and FG Quad from Garaventa CTEC, and a HSQ <br />and Gondola from Poma.&nbsp; They never could have gotten all the lifts <br />from one manufacturer in the time allowed. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; CABLE SPLICING&nbsp; -&nbsp; A while back we discussed some &quot;technical <br />details&quot; of a gondola cable splice at VAIL.&nbsp; ED (MA), who knows far <br />more than we do about cable splicing, wrote with some tips.&nbsp; We said <br />the splicer folks&nbsp; were always from Switzerland.&nbsp; Ed says they have to <br />be state certified and are therefore usually local.&nbsp; We vaguely said <br />splices overlap &quot;several&nbsp; feet&quot;.&nbsp; Ed says a one inch cable would <br />require a 130 ft overlap.&nbsp; Generally only one splice per cable is <br />allowed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the overlap area fatter?&nbsp; Maybe not.&nbsp; The cable has a <br />plastic core and it is removed in the splice area.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks Ed. <br />(Going to the fair this year?) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>7.&nbsp; POTPOURRI <br />&nbsp; </p><p>a.&nbsp; IS UTAH READY?&nbsp; During the Nagano Olympic TV coverage CBS host Jim <br />Nance said more than once that &quot;Utah was ready&quot; for the 2002 Olympics. <br />I'm sure that by &quot;ready&quot; he meant &quot;eager&quot;, not &quot;prepared&quot;.&nbsp; Consider <br />this:&nbsp; the Winter Olympics will take place during the 01/02 season. <br />That means that the venues have to be ready for the 00/01 season for <br />practice events.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's just two years away.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So, what isn't <br />ready?&nbsp; The speed skating track hasn't been built yet.&nbsp; The Alpine <br />Downhill courses at Snow Basin haven't been built yet (see news <br />elsewhere).&nbsp; The big jumps and bobsleigh track at the Utah Winter <br />Sports Park (Kimball Junction) haven't been built yet.&nbsp; And the access <br />to the facility is a two lane road winding uphill thru an upscale <br />housing development - not transportation friendly.&nbsp; Oh yes, CBS asked <br />the Mayor of SLC what would happen if I-80 over Parley's Summit <br />(connecting the athletic dorms to many skiing venues) was closed by <br />snow.&nbsp; The Mayor replied that a transportation plan had not been <br />developed yet. </p><p>Utah is ready - ready for a lot of work and planning.&nbsp; Good luck. <br />&nbsp; </p><p>b.&nbsp; COPPER MTN lift and trail names.&nbsp; Copper has some of the most <br />clever trail names around including some punny ones.&nbsp; In the past <br />their lifts were all lettered.&nbsp; They have named the HS lift which <br />replaces the B and B1 chairs&nbsp; &quot;Super Bee&quot;.&nbsp; The lift replacing the E <br />lift will be called Excelerator.&nbsp;&nbsp; Themes&nbsp; -&nbsp; COPPER:&nbsp; Copperopolis, <br />Coppertone, Copperfield's;&nbsp; MINING:&nbsp; Overlode, Ore Deal, Main Vein; <br />NUMBERS:&nbsp; Two Much, Triple Treat, Formidable;&nbsp; CUTE:&nbsp; Loverly, <br />Bittersweet, Carefree, Soliloquy;&nbsp; PUNNY:&nbsp; Near a mtn called &quot;Jacques <br />Peak&quot; is a run called &quot;Jack's Pique&quot;;&nbsp; the run under the former I-lift <br />is called &quot;I-Beam&quot;;&nbsp; to get back from the I-lift to the main base one <br />drops down a run called &quot;I-dropper&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Fun names! <br />&nbsp; </p><p>c.&nbsp; HISTORY FOR SALE:&nbsp; Skiing periodicals have listed the following <br />ski areas for sale&nbsp; (Be the first on your block to ......) : </p><p>o&nbsp; MT ABRAMS&nbsp; (Locke Mills, ME)&nbsp;&nbsp; Vertical: 1030 ft,&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 <br />chairs, 3 T-bars.&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Mortgagee's Foreclosure Auction&quot; </p><p>o&nbsp; SILVER CREEK&nbsp; (Humbolt, IA)&nbsp;&nbsp; Vertical: 130 ft,&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; 2 T-bars, <br />4 rope tows&nbsp; (Formerly WINTER PLAYLAND 1958-78 and WINTER WORLD in 78- <br />84.)&nbsp; &quot;Health of owner forces sale.&quot; </p><p>o&nbsp; BIG AIR SNOWBOARD PARK&nbsp; (Big Bear, CA)&nbsp; Formerly SKI GREEN VALLEY. <br />Vertical: 350 ft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; double chair, Poma, rope. </p><p>o&nbsp; MOOSE MOUNTAIN&nbsp; (Brookfield, NH)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Last operated in 1990 </p><p>o&nbsp; HIGHLANDS&nbsp; (Northfield, NH)&nbsp;&nbsp; Only $500,000.&nbsp; Last operated in <br />March 1996.&nbsp; Vertical: 800 ft&nbsp;&nbsp; Lifts:&nbsp; triple chair, 4 surface lifts <br />&nbsp; </p><p>d.&nbsp; SKI FASHIONS&nbsp; -&nbsp; In an old &quot;Vermont Life&quot; article about MRG, there <br />was a pic showing a young woman on a ski slope, wearing a plaid skirt! <br />And no, she had ski poles, not a field hockey stick.&nbsp; :-) <br />&nbsp; </p><p>e.&nbsp; SNOW COUNTRY, one of the Big 4 consumer skiing magazines (along <br />with Ski, Skiing, and Powder) has always been a little different than <br />the other 3.&nbsp; They put less stress on equipment and fashion reviews <br />and more on ski resorts, ski town lifestyles, and mountain real estate <br />news.&nbsp; They have also been less successful and have been for sale for <br />several months.&nbsp; Now they have announced a new name and emphasis.&nbsp; In <br />September, &quot;Snow Country&quot;&nbsp; becomes &quot;Mountain Sports and Living&quot;.&nbsp; We <br />hope they keep their annual feature ranking the top 100 North American <br />ski resorts. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>8.&nbsp; HIGHWAY MAPS&nbsp; -&nbsp; A Research Tool </p><p>We have written a lot about our ski area trail map collection.&nbsp; We <br />also collect highway maps - for their own selves and as an aid in <br />research into lost ski areas.&nbsp; As a tool, maps present good news and <br />bad news. </p><p>Good - Highway maps may establish: <br />o&nbsp; the existence of a ski area, including the correct spelling <br />o&nbsp; location, relative to other ski areas and highways, towns, etc. <br />o&nbsp; rough determination of operating dates <br />o&nbsp; some clue as to name changes </p><p>Bad - Highway maps are poor tools in the following ways: <br />o&nbsp; no ski area statistics <br />o&nbsp; area names frequently misspelled,&nbsp; symbol in the wrong location <br />o&nbsp; When area A changes name to B, maps sometimes show A and B <br />o&nbsp; Dates are inaccurate.&nbsp; Maps will add a new ski area 2 to 3 years <br />after it opens;&nbsp; they will keep showing the area 8 to 10 years (longer <br />for Gousha) after the area closes.&nbsp; So year data has to be <br />&quot;interpreted&quot;. </p><p>Got any maps to contribute to our collection?&nbsp; We don't expect so. <br />Most folks throw away old maps (we never do).&nbsp; If you had a 1992 and <br />1985 map of Iowa, you would throw the 85 away, right?&nbsp; However, if you <br />are cleaning out&nbsp; a desk drawer and find a pack of stuff from your <br />1977 trip to Oregon, save those maps.&nbsp; Or if you are helping clean up <br />Gramps house for sale after he moves to a condo, maybe a shoe box full <br />of maps will turn up.&nbsp; If so, keep us in mind. </p><p>What do we want?&nbsp; The older the better - 50's, 60's, and 70's are <br />best.&nbsp; We would love to see a map showing Iowa ski areas - never have, <br />ditto Missouri, Maryland.&nbsp; The Midwest would be useful.&nbsp;&nbsp; These maps <br />can be regular gasoline company state maps or sub state (e.g., Lake <br />Tahoe) or city or county.&nbsp; Just check to see if there are ski area <br />symbols AND area names and check the date.&nbsp; If you have old undated <br />Rand McNally or Gousha maps, we can tell you how to date them. <br />National Forest and topo maps are extra valuable as they continue to <br />show lifts well after the ski areas close. </p><p>Please E-mail and see if we want what you have before sending.&nbsp; We <br />will be glad to pay postage or do trades or whatever. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>9.&nbsp; LETTERS, WE GET LETTERS </p><p>o&nbsp; PAUL (NH) says the Hickory Ski Center (Warrenburg, NY) ski area is <br />still open. </p><p>o&nbsp; Whatever we said about BM Lifts (Canada) &quot;becoming&quot; Leitner is <br />misleading.&nbsp; Leitner is a large Italian ski lift manufacturer just <br />starting to penetrate the North American market.&nbsp; One step was to <br />acquire BM.&nbsp; Thanks to RICHARD (Europe?) for helping to clarify. </p><p>o&nbsp; It's easy to prove that a particular situation HAS occurred - you <br />only need one example.&nbsp; It's much harder to prove that something has <br />NEVER happened - one example disproves the theorem.&nbsp; We stated that <br />there had never been an inbounds avalanche death in Colorado. <br />However, two readers gave examples - one at Copper Mtn and one at A- <br />Basin.&nbsp; Both victims were patrollers.&nbsp; We will have to study harder. </p><p>o&nbsp; ERIC (CA) was surprised that RIBLET TRAMWAY was still in business <br />(so were we).&nbsp; He wonders if they ever built a &quot;tram&quot;.&nbsp; Nope, no trams <br />or gondolas or detachable chairs.&nbsp; Just FG doubles, triples, and <br />quads.&nbsp; Eric wonders if they still build the &quot;center pole&quot; doubles. <br />Hmmmm. </p><p>o&nbsp; CHRIS (NH) points out that MOUNT PROSPECT in Lancaster, NH is still <br />operating.&nbsp; One rope tow and two trails.&nbsp; Weekends only.&nbsp; Cool. </p><p>o&nbsp; Two folk have written about MONT BLEU in Kansas.&nbsp; We'll get back to <br />you. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>10.&nbsp; MORE TITANIC TRIVIA - (OT) </p><p>a.&nbsp; Most folks believe that it is necessary to get far away from a <br />sinking ship so you won't be caught in the &quot;suction&quot; as it sinks.&nbsp; In <br />the Titanic case there is much evidence that, as the ship sank, folks <br />just stepped off the deck into the water.&nbsp; No suction.&nbsp; But lots of <br />hypothermia. </p><p>b.&nbsp; We are led to believe that the only survivors of the Titanic were <br />those that left in lifeboats.&nbsp; However, one young man stepped into the <br />water from the deck, and then floated for several hours (holding onto <br />debris) before he was finally rescued.&nbsp; He almost lost his legs, but <br />did eventually recover.&nbsp; This young man, Dick Williams, went on to win <br />the US Open tennis championships in Newport, RI in 1914.&nbsp; One of his <br />opponents was Carl Behr, who was also a Titanic survivor. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr width="100%" /><p>11.&nbsp; EPILOG </p><p>a.&nbsp; Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR first and last name) in <br />your first E-Mail to TCS.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; So we will stop bugging you.&nbsp;<br />&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp; Cheers from THE COLORADO SKIER&nbsp; (Keystone opens in 3 months!) <br />&nbsp; </p><p>&quot;It isn't pollution that's harming our environment.&nbsp; It's the <br />impurities in our air and water that are doing it.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; DAN QUAYLE </p><p>&quot;I tell you, that Michael JACKSON is unbelievable, isn't he?&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; AL <br />GORE&nbsp; (speaking after the Chicago Bulls won the NBA Championship) <br />&nbsp; </p>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<h3>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER</h3><pre>This is part of a series on SKI AREA TRIVIA.<span>&nbsp; </span>It is posted separately</pre><pre>from our companion series on &quot;LOST SKI AREAS&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>Check it out.</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>THE COLORADO SKIER TRIVIA - EDITION #25<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>(4-24-98)</pre><pre>EDITOR'S REMARKS:</pre><pre>A.<span>&nbsp; </span>It's hard to believe that the ski season is already winding down.</pre><pre>How good a season was it?<span>&nbsp; </span>Comments and stats in Section 5.</pre><pre>B.<span>&nbsp; </span>One of our regular readers, Jeremy (VT), is starting a home page</pre><pre>listing the Closed Ski Areas of New England.<span>&nbsp; </span>He is interested in</pre><pre>anecdotes/trip reports from you readers who have skied at now closed</pre><pre>areas.<span>&nbsp; </span>If you would like to contribute, send your write-up or an</pre><pre>indication of interest and we will forward to Jeremy.</pre><pre>C.<span>&nbsp; </span>NEWSFLASH - VAIL has, for the umpteenth time, received approval</pre><pre>for the CAT III expansion.<span>&nbsp; </span>Previous approvals came from the Forest</pre><pre>Service.<span>&nbsp; </span>This time it was Eagle County.<span>&nbsp; </span>Construction will start this</pre><pre>summer.<span>&nbsp; </span>[Trespassing Lynx will be shot on sight!<span>&nbsp; </span>;-) ]</pre><pre>D.<span>&nbsp; </span>Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF</pre><pre>SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc.</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>1.<span>&nbsp; </span>*** NEW *** TRIVIA QUESTIONS</pre><pre>a.<span>&nbsp; </span>Which four (4) U.S. SKI AREAS received new GONDOLA systems for the</pre><pre>97/98 season?</pre><pre>b.<span>&nbsp; </span>How many different SKI LIFT MANUFACTURERS have built chairlifts at</pre><pre>North American ski areas?<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Is it:<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>a) 1-10,<span>&nbsp; </span>b) 11-20,<span>&nbsp; </span>c) 21-30,</pre><pre>d) 31-40,<span>&nbsp; </span>e) 41+</pre><pre>c.<span>&nbsp; </span>Which U.S. ski areas currently have DETACHABLE double or triple</pre><pre>chairlifts?</pre><pre>d.<span>&nbsp; </span>Name the SKI AREAS with these ski trail names:</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>1)<span>&nbsp; </span>MD,<span>&nbsp; </span>MBA,<span>&nbsp; </span>AB,<span>&nbsp; </span>PhD,<span>&nbsp; </span>Cum Laude,<span>&nbsp; </span>Pass/Fail</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>2)<span>&nbsp; </span>Styx,<span>&nbsp; </span>Hades,<span>&nbsp; </span>Demon,<span>&nbsp; </span>666,<span>&nbsp; </span>Pitchfork</pre><pre>e.<span>&nbsp; </span>NOSTALGIA QUESTION:<span>&nbsp; </span>At which ski areas is a gondola or chairlift</pre><pre>the only access (or principal access) to the main base lodge.<span>&nbsp; </span>That</pre><pre>is, you can't drive to the base lodge.</pre><pre>BONUS ONE<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>Which Ski Areas share NAMES with Amusement Parks?</pre><pre>BONUS TWO<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>Open question - Which U.S. ski areas have a view of an</pre><pre>ocean?<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>[Thx to Chris (MA) ]</pre><pre>BONUS THREE<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>Steve Allen hosted the first &quot;Tonight Show&quot;, late</pre><pre>nights on NBC.<span>&nbsp; </span>However, there was an earlier late-night comedy</pre><pre>variety show on NBC.<span>&nbsp; </span>Can anyone remember its name or any of the</pre><pre>stars?<span>&nbsp; </span>(Think comedians and one statuesque blond.)</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>2.<span>&nbsp; </span>TRIVIA 24 ANSWERS</pre><pre>a.<span>&nbsp; </span>How many U.S. PRESIDENTS were/are SKIERS, either before, during,</pre><pre>or after their presidential terms?</pre><pre>ANSWERS:<span>&nbsp; </span>GERALD FORD skied while he was president.<span>&nbsp; </span>(We once toured</pre><pre>the &quot;Bass&quot; home in VAIL where Ford stayed while skiing.<span>&nbsp; </span>On one bed</pre><pre>was the sign:<span>&nbsp; </span>&quot;Yes he does&quot;. !!)<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>JIMMY CARTER took up skiing after</pre><pre>his term and frequently skis Crested Butte.<span>&nbsp; </span>Altho the entire Kennedy</pre><pre>family seems to ski, we don't believe Jack skied, due to his bad back.</pre><pre>Some have suggested that outdoorsman Teddy Roosevelt did X-country,</pre><pre>but we haven't found any proof.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Altho Mrs. C and the First Daughter</pre><pre>ski, Slick apparently prefers other pastimes.</pre><pre>GUESSES:<span>&nbsp; </span>4 folks guessed Carter and Ford and 5 more guessed just</pre><pre>Ford.<span>&nbsp; </span>JOHN W (VT) added Reagan and Bush.<span>&nbsp; </span>Any proof, John?<span>&nbsp; </span>These</pre><pre>guys were golfers.<span>&nbsp; </span>We don't think of skiers as golfers.<span>&nbsp; </span>Skiers are</pre><pre>hikers, climbers, and mountain bikers.<span>&nbsp; </span>In the winter, golfers bowl.</pre><pre>b.<span>&nbsp; </span>Which three (3) Canadian Provinces or Territories have the most</pre><pre>operating ski areas?</pre><pre>ANSWERS:<span>&nbsp; </span>Quebec - 35,<span>&nbsp; </span>Ontario - 34,<span>&nbsp; </span>British Columbia - 28</pre><pre>GUESSES:<span>&nbsp; </span>7 folks got this one right.<span>&nbsp; </span>The most common mistake was the</pre><pre>selection of Alberta.<span>&nbsp; </span>(makes sense - in the Rockies - but no people).</pre><pre>c.<span>&nbsp; </span>How many U.S. ski areas can you think of which share names with</pre><pre>TREES (e.g., Aspen)?</pre><pre>ANSWERS:<span>&nbsp; </span>Apple Mtn, WI;<span>&nbsp; </span>Aspen and Aspen Highlands, CO;<span>&nbsp; </span>Ski Beech,</pre><pre>NC;<span>&nbsp; </span>Big Birch, NY;<span>&nbsp; </span>Butternut Basin, MA;<span>&nbsp; </span>Chestnut Mtn, IL;</pre><pre>Cottonwood Butte, ID;<span>&nbsp; </span>Hickory Hills, MI;<span>&nbsp; </span>King Pine, NH;<span>&nbsp; </span>Maple Ski</pre><pre>Ridge, NY;<span>&nbsp; </span>Oak Mtn, NY;<span>&nbsp; </span>Pine Knob &amp; Pine Mtn, MI;<span>&nbsp; </span>Plumtree, IL</pre><pre>GUESSES:<span>&nbsp; </span>Matt (MI) got 8 right.<span>&nbsp; </span>Duke (KS) tried to be creative.<span>&nbsp; </span>He</pre><pre>liked Scotch Valley for Scotch &quot;Pine&quot;, Mt Ashland for &quot;Ash&quot;, and a</pre><pre>whole bunch of &quot;pines&quot;:<span>&nbsp; </span>Several alPINES and my favorite - porcuPINE.</pre><pre>Several folks picked Maple Valley, VT;<span>&nbsp; </span>Hickory Ski Center, NY;<span>&nbsp; </span>and</pre><pre>Pines, IN;<span>&nbsp; </span>which we believe are all closed.<span>&nbsp; </span>My dictionary says that</pre><pre>Sugarbush is a woods full of sugar maples.</pre><pre>d.<span>&nbsp; </span>Which five ski-lift MANUFACTURERS have installed the most</pre><pre>chairlifts in North America?</pre><pre>ANSWERS:<span>&nbsp; </span>Through the 1995 building season:<span>&nbsp; </span>Riblet, Hall, Poma, Lift</pre><pre>Engineering (Yan), Doppelmayr<span>&nbsp; </span>(Numbers 6 &amp; 7 are Borvig and CTEC)</pre><pre>GUESSES:<span>&nbsp; </span>JOHN W and JAN-ERIK (OR) got all 5.<span>&nbsp; </span>RYAN (NY) missed Hall,</pre><pre>which stopped building chairlifts before he was born!</pre><pre>e.<span>&nbsp; </span>NOSTALGIA QUESTION:<span>&nbsp; </span>We think of gondola capacity in terms of even</pre><pre>numbers, i.e., 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 passenger cars.<span>&nbsp; </span>Name two (dead)</pre><pre>ski area gondola systems which had 3, count them 3, passenger cars.</pre><pre>ANSWERS:<span>&nbsp; </span>SUGARBUSH, VT and CRESTED BUTTE, CO.<span>&nbsp; </span>These gondola systems</pre><pre>(with egg-shaped cars) were built by the Italian company, Carlevaro &amp;</pre><pre>Savio, which also built the 2 passenger system at Wildcat, NH.</pre><pre>GUESSES:<span>&nbsp; </span>5 folks knew Sugarbush, and 1 knew Crested Butte, but only</pre><pre>JAN-ERIK knew that both ski areas had 3 passenger gondolas.</pre><pre>BONUS ONE:<span>&nbsp; </span>An EPONYM is<span>&nbsp; </span>&quot;the person for whom something is named or</pre><pre>supposedly named.&quot;<span>&nbsp; </span>The &quot;Zamboni&quot; (ice resurfacing machine) is named</pre><pre>after Frank Zamboni, its inventor.<span>&nbsp; </span>What about the skiing realm?<span>&nbsp; </span>We</pre><pre>doubt there was anyone named ski, boot, or pole.<span>&nbsp; </span>The closest we can</pre><pre>come is the POMA, named after its inventor, Jean Pomagalski.<span>&nbsp; </span>What</pre><pre>SKIING-related &quot;eponyms&quot; can you think of?</pre><pre>ANSWERS:<span>&nbsp; </span>Apparently, there aren't any.</pre><pre>GUESSES:<span>&nbsp; </span>Definition of Eponym seemed to be a problem.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>A reminder:</pre><pre>The product has to be named after the inventor;<span>&nbsp; </span>just brand names</pre><pre>don't count.<span>&nbsp; </span>Otis invented the elevator but we still call it an</pre><pre>elevator, not an &quot;otis&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>Same with Bell and the telephone.<span>&nbsp; </span>We don't</pre><pre>call ski pants &quot;Bogners&quot; and I call sunglasses &quot;Bolle's&quot;, not</pre><pre>&quot;Vuarnet's&quot;</pre><pre>BONUS TWO:<span>&nbsp; </span>Steve Allen was the first host of the &quot;Tonight Show&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>His</pre><pre>show had two boy singers and two girl singers.<span>&nbsp; </span>At the time they were</pre><pre>unknowns, but 3 of the 4 went on to become very famous.<span>&nbsp; </span>Who are they?</pre><pre>ANSWERS:<span>&nbsp; </span>Andy Williams,<span>&nbsp; </span>Steve Lawrence,<span>&nbsp; </span>Eydie Gorme</pre><pre>GUESSES:<span>&nbsp; </span>Apparently this question was too old for you youngsters.</pre><pre>Only old man HERY (NJ) guessed Lawrence and Gorme.<span>&nbsp; </span>(Next week - &quot;Your</pre><pre>Show of Shows&quot; trivia)</pre><pre>BONUS THREE<span>&nbsp; </span>(regional trivia):<span>&nbsp; </span>After a freeway accident, after the</pre><pre>vehicles have been moved off the roadway, drivers still slow down to</pre><pre>admire the wrecks.<span>&nbsp; </span>Some Boston area traffic reporters call the</pre><pre>resulting slowdown a &quot;gaper's block&quot;, others call it the &quot;curiosity</pre><pre>factor&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>What is it called in your area?</pre><pre>GUESSES:<span>&nbsp; </span>No one had heard &quot;gaper's block&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>There was one &quot;curiosity</pre><pre>factor&quot; (Boston) and 2 &quot;curiosity slowings&quot; (Denver).<span>&nbsp; </span>Others:<span>&nbsp; </span>gawker</pre><pre>delay, gaper delay, and knocker-gawkers.<span>&nbsp; </span>The most popular response by</pre><pre>far (9 entries) was &quot;rubbernecking&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>We had always thought of this</pre><pre>term as more generic, e.g., staring at a house fire or construction</pre><pre>site, or at tall buildings in NYC.<span>&nbsp; </span>Obviously we thought wrong.</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>3.<span>&nbsp; </span>TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP</pre><pre>a.<span>&nbsp; </span>SNEAKY TRIVIA:<span>&nbsp; </span>Name two California ski areas which straddle the</pre><pre>San Andreas fault.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>ANSWER:<span>&nbsp; </span>SUNRISE and MOUNTAIN HIGH, near</pre><pre>Wrightwood.<span>&nbsp; </span>RICH (CA) and NICK (CA) knew the correct answer.</pre><pre>b.<span>&nbsp; </span>CHAIRLIFT MANUFACTURERS<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>In the last issue we mentioned that</pre><pre>chairlifts were built last year by LEITNER and RIBLET.<span>&nbsp; </span>Some readers</pre><pre>wanted more info.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>LEITNER is a Canadian company, formerly called</pre><pre>&quot;Blue Mountain&quot; and &quot;BM Lifts&quot;, and last year they installed a FG six-</pre><pre>pack at Snow Valley, ONT.<span>&nbsp; </span>They will be installing two detachable</pre><pre>quads at Lake Louise this year.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Riblet Tramways (Spokane, WA) have</pre><pre>been around forever and are still building fixed grip doubles,</pre><pre>triples, and quads.<span>&nbsp; </span>They installed 5 lifts last season, mostly in the</pre><pre>mid-west.</pre><pre>c.<span>&nbsp; </span>OLDEST SKI LIFT IN COLORADO<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>New reader DAVID K (CO) wondered</pre><pre>which is the oldest operating lift in CO.<span>&nbsp; </span>Wow!<span>&nbsp; </span>The research to</pre><pre>answer this question seems daunting.<span>&nbsp; </span>We decided to break it down into</pre><pre>lift types.<span>&nbsp; </span>This should be fun and illuminating.<span>&nbsp; </span>Our first cut is as</pre><pre>follows:</pre><pre>FUNICULARS - There are no funiculars at ski areas in CO.</pre><pre>CABLE CARS - There are no cable cars at ski areas in CO.<span>&nbsp; </span>There is one</pre><pre>tourist type cable car (very old) in Estes Park.</pre><pre>GONDOLAS - The first gondola in CO was the village gondola at Vail</pre><pre>(1962), long gone.<span>&nbsp; </span>The original Lionshead gondola has been replaced</pre><pre>with a new one.<span>&nbsp; </span>Also gone is the gondola at Crested Butte.<span>&nbsp; </span>The</pre><pre>gondolas at Keystone and Steamboat have been replaced.<span>&nbsp; </span>The one at</pre><pre>Aspen is fairly new.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Summary:<span>&nbsp; </span>Keystone (1986), Steamboat (1986),</pre><pre>Aspen (1987),<span>&nbsp; </span>Vail (1996).</pre><pre>DETACHABLE QUAD - The first one was built at Breckenridge in 1981.<span>&nbsp; </span>A</pre><pre>mere youngster.</pre><pre>FG QUAD - More research required.</pre><pre>TRIPLE CHAIR - More research required.</pre><pre>DOUBLE CHAIR - The first double chair ever was at Berthoud Pass, 1947.</pre><pre>It is gone.<span>&nbsp; </span>The oldest remaining double at Breckenridge (1965) was</pre><pre>replaced last season.<span>&nbsp; </span>More research - we are betting on Loveland or</pre><pre>Winter Park.</pre><pre>SINGLE CHAIR - All gone.</pre><pre>POMA - All the ones remaining are fairly new.</pre><pre>T-BAR - The T-bar at Crested Butte opened with the ski area in 1962.</pre><pre>This is our candidate for *oldest operating ski lift* in Colorado.</pre><pre>ROPE TOW - There are no remaining rope tows in CO.</pre><pre>So, we have to do a little more research to find the oldest double and</pre><pre>triple chairs.<span>&nbsp; </span>Any suggestions would be appreciated.</pre><pre>Thanks for the question, David.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>BTW, our guess at the oldest ski</pre><pre>lift in the U.S. is the single chair at Mad River Glen, VT (1947).</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>4.<span>&nbsp; </span>LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP</pre><pre>a.<span>&nbsp; </span>CUCHARA BASIN, CO<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>We have long wondered if this closed 60's</pre><pre>ski area was located at the same place as the current CUCHARA VALLEY.</pre><pre>Not so, according to a bartender we met in the quaint town of Cuchara.</pre><pre>Cuchara VALLEY is located about two miles south of Cuchara.<span>&nbsp; </span>Cuchara</pre><pre>BASIN was located about 1 mile north.<span>&nbsp; </span>The rope tows are still</pre><pre>visible, but alas, are on private property.</pre><pre>b.<span>&nbsp; </span>WOODY GLEN, NH<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>TCS reader Jeremy (VT) sent us a copy of a</pre><pre>trail map/brochure for this tiny struggling ski area in Salisbury.</pre><pre>c.<span>&nbsp; </span>Big Bear Lake, CA<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>TCS reader RICH (CA) sent us a topo map for</pre><pre>the Big Bear vicinity.<span>&nbsp; </span>He and I will be discussing the lost ski areas</pre><pre>of the region over the next few weeks. (We will get to Lost California</pre><pre>in the newsletter about 2002!)</pre><pre>d.<span>&nbsp; </span>Field Agent JEREMY (VT) likes to find lost ski areas.<span>&nbsp; </span>Recently we</pre><pre>sent him to check out METHUEN HILL (MA) and BOSTON HILL (No. Andover,</pre><pre>MA).<span>&nbsp; </span>He reports that the T-bar which we saw just 2 years ago has been</pre><pre>removed from Methuen, and that the chairlift at Boston Hill is still</pre><pre>standing.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Further west, Jeremy spotted a ski area just south of</pre><pre>Greenfield and east of I-91 which we can't identify.<span>&nbsp; </span>He also found an</pre><pre>old rope tow area near the Monson Academy (Monson).<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Keep up the good</pre><pre>work, Jeremy!<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Since I first wrote this, Jeremy went on spring</pre><pre>break and, among other things, he found the ATLANTIC FOREST area in</pre><pre>Amesbury, MA.<span>&nbsp; </span>Lifts and base lodge still standing.<span>&nbsp; </span>You go Jeremy!</pre><pre>e.<span>&nbsp; </span>Field Agent NICK (who lives in California ski country - Malibu!),</pre><pre>recently discovered the BUCKHORN ski area which sits between KRATKA</pre><pre>RIDGE (Snowcrest) and MT WATERMAN on the Angeles Crest Highway.<span>&nbsp; </span>The</pre><pre>area has two T-bars and about 600 ft of vertical.<span>&nbsp; </span>Buckhorn is a</pre><pre>private area and Nick is trying to wangle an invite.</pre><pre>f.<span>&nbsp; </span>LYNDON OUTING CLUB<span>&nbsp; </span>(Lyndonville, VT)<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>Several folks wrote to</pre><pre>tell us that this &quot;lost&quot; area is still operating.<span>&nbsp; </span>Good.</pre><pre>Note:<span>&nbsp; </span>Please feel free to ask about any lost ski area at any time.</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>5.<span>&nbsp; </span>SKI AREA NEWS</pre><pre>a.<span>&nbsp; </span>BERTHOUD PASS, CO<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>This small, old, high elevation area, closed</pre><pre>since 1990, finally did re-open this season, on 22 Jan.<span>&nbsp; </span>Only the</pre><pre>(Borvig) intermediate chair on the East side is running.<span>&nbsp; </span>Many skiers</pre><pre>and boarders use the chair to access the north and south side chutes</pre><pre>to the highway and then return by shuttle bus.</pre><pre>b.<span>&nbsp; </span>BOLTON VALLEY<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>In the midst of their financial turmoil (and</pre><pre>takeover by a young college grad), Bolton neglected to obtain control</pre><pre>of the separately owned base lodge.<span>&nbsp; </span>So they are forced to use rooms</pre><pre>in the base area hotel for changing, restrooms, etc.<span>&nbsp; </span>BTW, the rooms</pre><pre>cannot be rented for overnight use as one of the safety exits was thru</pre><pre>the base lodge!<span>&nbsp; </span>Can you say &quot;losers&quot;?</pre><pre>c.<span>&nbsp; </span>JAY PEAK (VT)<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>The sale fell through.<span>&nbsp; </span>Rats.</pre><pre>d.<span>&nbsp; </span>Ski conglomerate INTRAWEST has bought VERNON VALLEY/GREAT GORGE,</pre><pre>NJ and intends to heavily market the NYC area.</pre><pre>e.<span>&nbsp; </span>COPPER MOUNTAIN<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>As part of a big bucks multi-year expansion</pre><pre>plan (from owner Intrawest) next season Copper will replace the B and</pre><pre>B1 double chairs with Colorado's first six-pack, rising from a huge</pre><pre>new day-skier base lodge.<span>&nbsp; </span>The E triple will be replaced by a HS Quad.</pre><pre>f.<span>&nbsp; </span>LOVELAND, CO<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>In the Spring, Loveland allows walk-up skiing</pre><pre>above timberline.<span>&nbsp; </span>Now they are planning a chairlift to serve this</pre><pre>Continental Divide open bowl skiing.<span>&nbsp; </span>Discussions are proceeding with</pre><pre>the Forest Service and chairlift bids have been solicited.<span>&nbsp; </span>Could</pre><pre>happen as early as next season.<span>&nbsp; </span>If it does, the top Loveland</pre><pre>elevation will be higher than SNOWMASS which currently has the highest</pre><pre>lift-served skiing in the U.S.<span>&nbsp; </span>Snowmass uses a surface lift.<span>&nbsp; </span>We</pre><pre>suspect that a chairlift at Loveland will not see too many usable</pre><pre>days, due to wind and avalanche danger.</pre><pre>g.<span>&nbsp; </span>ERRATA<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>In the last issue, we reported that PICO (VT) was</pre><pre>installing a NEW HS Quad.<span>&nbsp; </span>Actually the quad already existed and Pico</pre><pre>were just doing the repairs on the infamous YAN grips.<span>&nbsp; </span>The same</pre><pre>modifications were made to lifts at Killington and Mt Snow.</pre><pre>h.<span>&nbsp; </span>A-BASIN (CO)<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>In January, one of the chairs on the Lenawee lift</pre><pre>fell to the ground.<span>&nbsp; </span>Just fell off the cable!<span>&nbsp; </span>Occupants were not</pre><pre>seriously hurt, but how embarrassing.<span>&nbsp; </span>The reporter for the Denver</pre><pre>Post apparently got his news by telephone as he called the &quot;Lenawee&quot;</pre><pre>lift the &quot;Runaway&quot; Lift.<span>&nbsp; </span>Freudian Slip?</pre><pre>i.<span>&nbsp; </span>CUCHARA VALLEY<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>We recently skied at this small southern</pre><pre>Colorado ski area for the very first time.<span>&nbsp; </span>It has 4 Riblet chairlifts</pre><pre>(one is a triple) and they all have bullwheel loading.</pre><pre>j.<span>&nbsp; </span>The Colorado Snow Season.<span>&nbsp; </span>El No-Show did nothing for the Colorado</pre><pre>snow season.<span>&nbsp; </span>Fair to middlin' at best.<span>&nbsp; </span>We will use our bellwether</pre><pre>(?) ski area, VAIL, to evaluate snow depths against historical</pre><pre>averages.<span>&nbsp; </span>Below is a comparison between the 97-98 data and the 10</pre><pre>year average.</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Date<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>10 Year<span>&nbsp; </span>97/98<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Grade</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>15 Nov<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>15<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>15<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>average</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>30 Nov<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>23<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>14<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>poor</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>15 Dec<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>27<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>25<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>fair</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>30 Dec<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>30<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>27<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>fair</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>15 Jan<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>39<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>34<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>poor</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>30 Jan<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>39<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>44<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>very good</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>14 Feb<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>51<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>53<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>average</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>28 Feb<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>51<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>59<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>very good</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>15 Mar<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>58<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>57<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>average</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>30 Mar<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>63<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>56<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>fair</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>15 Apr<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>59<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>60<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>average</pre><pre>Overall:<span>&nbsp; </span>slightly below average</pre><pre>The only &quot;average&quot; snowfall in CO hasn't affected closing dates.<span>&nbsp; </span>13</pre><pre>of the 26 CO ski areas were open thru 19 April.<span>&nbsp; </span>Several of the major</pre><pre>areas (Winter Park, Keystone, Breck, Copper, Vail) will stay open thru</pre><pre>3 May.<span>&nbsp; </span>Loveland stays open till mid-May and A-Basin well into June.</pre><pre>Berthoud is a wild card this year.</pre><pre>Elsewhere, Utah was about the same - average.<span>&nbsp; </span>California benefited</pre><pre>muchly from the &quot;small kid&quot;, with snow depths in the 150 to 200 inch</pre><pre>range.<span>&nbsp; </span>Our best guess at New England is lots of snow with too many</pre><pre>intervening periods of rain and warm weather.</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>6.<span>&nbsp; </span>BUILDERS EMPORIUM</pre><pre>a.<span>&nbsp; </span>Gondola?<span>&nbsp; </span>Despite what was said in the AP stories and your local</pre><pre>paper, the ski lift cables cut by the US military jet in Italy served</pre><pre>a CABLE CAR system, not a GONDOLA.<span>&nbsp; </span>The system had two large cars in</pre><pre>the normal jigback configuration.<span>&nbsp; </span>One car fell and one didn't.</pre><pre>Interestingly, this same cable car system also suffered broken cables</pre><pre>back in the 70's.<span>&nbsp; </span>An aircraft was suspected, but never proven.</pre><pre>b.<span>&nbsp; </span>ANGEL'S FLIGHT<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>This is a funicular in downtown Los Angeles.</pre><pre>It operated from 1901 to 1969, at the corner of 3rd and Hill.<span>&nbsp; </span>At</pre><pre>first it transported workers and shoppers from the housing areas on</pre><pre>Bunker Hill to the downtown commercial district.<span>&nbsp; </span>Eventually it became</pre><pre>a tourist attraction.<span>&nbsp; </span>As the commercial district expanded up on to</pre><pre>Bunker Hill, the funicular was removed and placed in storage.<span>&nbsp; </span>Now the</pre><pre>funicular has been restored, about a block away at 4th and Hill.<span>&nbsp; </span>The</pre><pre>funicular is 280 feet long (once billed as the &quot;World's Shortest</pre><pre>Railway&quot;).<span>&nbsp; </span>Inflation has taken its toll.<span>&nbsp; </span>We used to ride it for 5</pre><pre>cents.<span>&nbsp; </span>Now the price is way up to 25 cents!</pre><pre>c.<span>&nbsp; </span>Most chairlifts at AMUSEMENT PARKS are built by amusement ride</pre><pre>companies.<span>&nbsp; </span>However, recently we have discovered new Garaventa CTEC</pre><pre>FG Quads built at LAKE COMPOUNCE, CT and at KENNYWOOD, PA.</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>7.<span>&nbsp; </span>POTPOURRI</pre><pre>a.<span>&nbsp; </span>THE TCS TRAIL MAP SPRING COLLECTION - Thanks to several of you for</pre><pre>making contributions of late.<span>&nbsp; </span>Frequent correspondent Tom Moore (MA)</pre><pre>sent a few maps along, as he does yearly.<span>&nbsp; </span>Thanks, Tom.</pre><pre>Our biggest haul ever, came from Neil, the Snowmaster.<span>&nbsp; </span>Previously the</pre><pre>biggest package received was a shoe box.<span>&nbsp; </span>Now picture a standard</pre><pre>&quot;book box&quot;, only make it 6 inches longer and 3 inches higher - full of</pre><pre>ski area literature!<span>&nbsp; </span>It weighed over 50 pounds.<span>&nbsp; </span>Besides lots of</pre><pre>trail maps and brochures, there were ski related magazines and</pre><pre>newspapers, etc.<span>&nbsp; </span>The 100 or so trail maps including several for areas</pre><pre>which we didn't previously have.<span>&nbsp; </span>Thanks loads, Snow.</pre><pre>New reader JEREMY studies the Lost Ski Areas of Vermont.<span>&nbsp; </span>He even</pre><pre>wrote a college term paper on the History of Skiing in Vermont.<span>&nbsp; </span>Think</pre><pre>about it - he gets paid (sort of) for our hobby!<span>&nbsp; </span>Anyway we have</pre><pre>corresponded about lost VT areas and he has sent several trail maps</pre><pre>and related historic items.<span>&nbsp; </span>We appreciate it, Jeremy.</pre><pre>b.<span>&nbsp; </span>The KIRKWOOD and NORTHSTAR (CA) ski areas both celebrated their 25</pre><pre>year anniversary this season.<span>&nbsp; </span>Northstar offered a free day of skiing</pre><pre>to anyone with a 25 year old trail map.<span>&nbsp; </span>We checked and discovered</pre><pre>that we had first year &quot;brochures&quot; for each area - but no trail maps.</pre><pre>c.<span>&nbsp; </span>At the Westin Prince Hotel at ALYESKA (AK) they offer Aurora</pre><pre>Borealis (Northern Lights) wake-up calls!</pre><pre>d.<span>&nbsp; </span>Colorado has the dubious distinction of having more avalanche</pre><pre>deaths each year then any other state.<span>&nbsp; </span>During the 96/97 season there</pre><pre>were none.<span>&nbsp; </span>However, this season there have been 6.<span>&nbsp; </span>No pattern, and</pre><pre>none within ski area boundaries (there never has been an avalanche</pre><pre>death within a Colorado ski area boundary).<span>&nbsp; </span>Most were just folks out</pre><pre>hiking or skiing in the wrong place at the wrong time.</pre><pre>e.<span>&nbsp; </span>One of the main objections to the CAT III back bowl expansion at</pre><pre>VAIL is that it encompasses prime Canadian Lynx habitat (although no</pre><pre>Lynx has been seen in the vicinity since 1972).<span>&nbsp; </span>Recently a &quot;Vail</pre><pre>Trail&quot; headline proclaimed that a LYNX had been found in the back</pre><pre>bowls.<span>&nbsp; </span>Turns out that it was a MERCURY LYNX, buried in the snow!</pre><pre>This from the annual April First version of the &quot;Vile Trial&quot;. !!</pre><pre>f.<span>&nbsp; </span>An SUV ad here in the COS newspaper showed a house covered with</pre><pre>snow and the caption:<span>&nbsp; </span>&quot;Are you ready for El Nino?&quot;<span>&nbsp; </span>The house was</pre><pre>unmistakably the &quot;House Of Seven Gables&quot; which, IIRC, is in Salem, MA.</pre><pre>Seems strange for a Colorado ad!</pre><pre>g.<span>&nbsp; </span>&quot;3 Ninjas&quot;<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>This new (and really bad) movie takes place at an</pre><pre>amusement park called MEGA MOUNTAIN.<span>&nbsp; </span>It was filmed at ELITCH GARDENS</pre><pre>in downtown Denver - where there are no mountains.</pre><pre>h.<span>&nbsp; </span>&quot;On the whole, I'd rather be in Philadelphia.&quot;<span>&nbsp; </span>With the recent</pre><pre>Titanic driven interest in ocean liners, we got to wondering about the</pre><pre>status of the liner &quot;United States&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>This ship was the biggest U.S.</pre><pre>ocean liner and the fastest ever to cross the Atlantic.<span>&nbsp; </span>The last we</pre><pre>heard it was docked in Norfolk harbor.<span>&nbsp; </span>Regular TCS reader SISSY saw</pre><pre>it on a harbor tour a few years back.</pre><pre>However, recently we have learned that the &quot;United States&quot; was towed</pre><pre>to Turkey, stripped, and was about to be scrapped when a U.S.</pre><pre>businessman bought it and had it towed back to the U.S.<span>&nbsp; </span>It is now</pre><pre>berthed at Pier 82 in Philadelphia.<span>&nbsp; </span>Plans are to convert it into a</pre><pre>hotel and tourist attraction.<span>&nbsp; </span>Anyone seen it?</pre><pre>i.<span>&nbsp; </span>TWO WAY RIVER<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>We got to wondering how the MINNESOTA RIVER</pre><pre>(flowing south) and the RED RIVER (lowing north) could both originate</pre><pre>at the same spot, in western MN.<span>&nbsp; </span>Readers PAUL (MN) and TIM (CA) read</pre><pre>our plea and sent detailed info.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>In summary, the two rivers (with</pre><pre>tributaries) do essentially originate at the same spot near</pre><pre>Breckenridge, MN.<span>&nbsp; </span>They are separated by a land bridge.<span>&nbsp; </span>The</pre><pre>continental divide thru this region is called the Laurentian Divide.</pre><pre>Thanks, guys.</pre><pre>j.<span>&nbsp; </span>DISCOUNT AIRLINES<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>In the last issue we reported that our local</pre><pre>(COS) discount airline, WestPac, had declared Chapter 11.<span>&nbsp; </span>Shortly</pre><pre>thereafter they went &quot;paws up&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>Our discount airline is now RenoAir.</pre><pre>For Denver, it's Frontier.</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>8.<span>&nbsp; </span>TITANIC TRIVIA<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>There was a good response to our last Titanic</pre><pre>trivia offering so we thought we would do some more.</pre><pre>CORRECTION - In our comments about very few civilians ever having been</pre><pre>killed due to a sinking ship we stated that the ANDREA DORIA only lost</pre><pre>30.<span>&nbsp; </span>Actually, 46 were killed in that incident, but again, most at the</pre><pre>actual time of collision.<span>&nbsp; </span>The number 30 related to the sinking of the</pre><pre>Titanic sister ship, BRITANNIC, which hit a mine during WWI.<span>&nbsp; </span>Since</pre><pre>the accident happened near land, the Captain decided to beach the</pre><pre>ship.<span>&nbsp; </span>That meant that the ship was moving and the propellers were</pre><pre>still turning.<span>&nbsp; </span>The first two lifeboats drifted astern and were</pre><pre>destroyed by the propellers and 30 lives were lost.<span>&nbsp; </span>Ugh.</pre><pre>THE MOVIE - (most excellent, BTW) - Nothing shown in the movie about</pre><pre>the collision and sinking varied much from what we had read about the</pre><pre>incident.<span>&nbsp; </span>We were surprised, however, that nothing was said about the</pre><pre>freighter &quot;Californian&quot;, only 10 miles away, which was oblivious to</pre><pre>pleas for help.<span>&nbsp; </span>[One result of marine inquiries into the Titanic</pre><pre>sinking was that all ships above a certain size are now required to</pre><pre>have 24 hour wireless operators.<span>&nbsp; </span>The Californian operator went to bed</pre><pre>just before the collision.]</pre><pre>Everyone knows that the Titanic hit the iceberg on its starboard</pre><pre>(right) side and that the bridge officer tried to steer the ship to</pre><pre>port (left) around the berg.<span>&nbsp; </span>So why did he tell the helmsman &quot;hard a</pre><pre>starboard&quot;?<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Answer:<span>&nbsp; </span>Early sailing ships (and the small boats that</pre><pre>you and I sail) have tillers.<span>&nbsp; </span>To turn left, you push the tiller</pre><pre>right, the rudder and boat go left.<span>&nbsp; </span>Well, even with the advent of</pre><pre>wheels to control the rudder, strangely the old command system was</pre><pre>maintained.<span>&nbsp; </span>Starboard means port.<span>&nbsp; </span>!!</pre><pre>The movie &quot;Titanic&quot; tied (with &quot;All About Eve&quot;) for most Oscar</pre><pre>nominations, 14, and tied (with &quot;Ben Hur&quot;) for most wins, 11.<span>&nbsp; </span>SNEAKY</pre><pre>TRIVIA:<span>&nbsp; </span>What is the largest number of Oscar nominations a single</pre><pre>feature movie can receive?</pre><pre>TITANIC MYTH #6<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>The Titanic was traveling at full speed at night</pre><pre>in iceberg waters because it was trying to capture the &quot;Blue Riband&quot; -</pre><pre>the honor for fastest Atlantic crossing.<span>&nbsp; </span>False.<span>&nbsp; </span>The 3 White Star</pre><pre>liners were built for size, comfort, and luxury, not speed.<span>&nbsp; </span>Their top</pre><pre>speeds were about 22.5 knots.<span>&nbsp; </span>The Cunard liners of the day were</pre><pre>capable of 24-25 knots.<span>&nbsp; </span>No way Titanic could beat them.</pre><pre>TITANIC MYTH #7<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>To the end, the ship's designer was convinced that</pre><pre>the ship could not sink.<span>&nbsp; </span>Wrong.<span>&nbsp; </span>Neither the designer, the builder,</pre><pre>nor the owner ever said that the ship was unsinkable.<span>&nbsp; </span>A marine</pre><pre>magazine of the era printed that the Titanic, due to its watertight</pre><pre>compartment design, was &quot;nearly unsinkable&quot;.<span>&nbsp; </span>The ship designer toured</pre><pre>the ship with the Captain shortly after the collision.<span>&nbsp; </span>He looked at</pre><pre>plans, did some calculations, and then stated that the ship would sink</pre><pre>in an hour or maybe two.<span>&nbsp; </span>It sank about 2 hours later.</pre><pre>TITANIC MYTH #8<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>Many crew members drowned due to being trapped in</pre><pre>water tight compartments.<span>&nbsp; </span>False.<span>&nbsp; </span>Every movie like this has a scene</pre><pre>where crewmen rush through the watertight doors as they are closing.</pre><pre>One is led to believe that they would drown if they didn't get</pre><pre>through.<span>&nbsp; </span>Actually, the watertight compartments have no tops, just</pre><pre>walls.<span>&nbsp; </span>Normal travel is up stairs and ladders to upper decks (like to</pre><pre>crew quarters).<span>&nbsp; </span>Men diving through doors were probably just caught</pre><pre>taking a break in the wrong work area.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>The main Titanic engines were</pre><pre>shut down because the initial flooding occurred in the boiler areas.</pre><pre>However many crew members continued working below deck to keep the</pre><pre>electric generators working - providing electricity for the wireless</pre><pre>and for working lights.<span>&nbsp; </span>Unfortunately some crew members drowned</pre><pre>because they kept working below deck to the very end.</pre><pre>TITANIC MYTH #9<span>&nbsp; </span>-<span>&nbsp; </span>90% of the witnesses at US and British marine</pre><pre>inquiries said that the Titanic was &quot;intact&quot; when it sank.<span>&nbsp; </span>However</pre><pre>the Ballard expedition revealed that the ship broke in two and the two</pre><pre>halves were a half mile apart on the ocean floor.<span>&nbsp; </span>Computer models</pre><pre>show that when the sinking ship reached a steep angle, the spine broke</pre><pre>and the stern settled back into the water just before it sank.<span>&nbsp; </span>Of</pre><pre>course it was dark, by then there were no lights on the ship, and the</pre><pre>lifeboats (with witnesses) were a mile away.</pre><pre>&nbsp;<br /></pre><div align="center"><hr width="100%" size="2" /></div><pre>9. EPILOG</pre><pre>a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR first and last name) in</pre><pre>your first E-Mail to TCS.<span>&nbsp; </span>Why?<span>&nbsp; </span>So we can send you junk mail!</pre><pre>b. If you would like to be ADDED to the TCS (direct E-Mail) mailing</pre><pre>list, notify MARK at:<span>&nbsp; </span>&quot;mwallace@nyx.net&quot;</pre><pre>c. Past TCS Newsletters are available on the WWW.<span>&nbsp; </span>The URL is:</pre><pre>http://www.nyx.net/~mwallace/TCS</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></pre><pre>d. Due next:<span>&nbsp; </span>&quot;LOST 26&quot;<span>&nbsp; </span>(mid-June)</pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></pre><pre><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></pre><pre>Cheers from THE COLORADO SKIER<span>&nbsp; </span>(who no longer takes ocean cruises)</pre><pre>&quot;There is a sumptuous variety about the New England weather that</pre><pre>compels the stranger's admiration - and regret.<span>&nbsp; </span>The weather is always</pre><pre>doing something there ..... Yes, one of the brightest gems in the New</pre><span>England weather is the dazzling uncertainty of it.&quot;<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Mark Twain</span>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<p>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER</p><p>Researching &quot;lost&quot; ski areas is the hobby of THE COLORADO SKIER. We have reported our findings on COLORADO, the SOUTHEAST, NEW HAMPSHIRE, and are now doing VERMONT and WYOMING. Is your state next?</p><p>For more trivial information on skiing and ski areas, check out our separately posted companion articles entitled: &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - TRIVIA&quot; and &quot;THE TCS LISTS&quot;. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p align="center">LOST &quot;COLORADO&quot; SKI AREAS - EDITION #25 (1-15-98) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>A. HAPPY NEW YEAR! [and Happy Birthday to me - 13 January]</p><p>B. In case you are wondering, the last TCS newsletter was LISTS-7, published 10-24-97.</p><p>C. Have you all gone out and purchased SKI HELMETS? Why not?</p><p>D. Just a reminder to folks using SKIVT-L. Altho we post the newsletter there we do not receive E-Mail (we are on NOMAIL status). So if you want to talk to us you need to E-Mail to Mark.</p><p>E. Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>1A. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF VERMONT (continued) </p><p>Here is the info on the 10 VERMONT ski areas we listed last time.</p><p>{Copyright 1998, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.}</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>LORD'S HILL (location ??), [very obscure] {a 1966 book}</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 500 ft Lifts: platter pull, rope tow</p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>LYBRAND (Northfield), [name change], Former name in the early 60&rsquo;s for the NORWICH UNIVERSITY ski area (still open). There is a run at NORWICH called &quot;Lybrand&quot;.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>LYNDON OUTING CLUB (Lyndonville), [closed], Located just east of town on Shonya Hill. Non-profit. Opened with a rope tow on 11 Feb 1937. Closed around 1990 (but may still be open).</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 437 ft Top: 1600 Base: 800 ?</p><p>Lifts: 1 T-bar, 2 rope tows night skiing</p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>MADONNA MOUNTAIN (Jeffersonville), [name change], Opened in 1956 as SMUGGLER'S NOTCH. Tom Watson, Jr (Chairman of IBM) bought the area in 1964 and changed the name to MADONNA MOUNTAIN (one of the 3 mountain peaks). Watson sold the ski area in 1973 and the name was changed back to SMUGGLER&rsquo;S.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>MAGIC MOUNTAIN (Londonderry) [closed 1990], Located 2 miles east of Londonderry on Hiway 11. Opened in 1960. Absorbed the TIMBER RIDGE ski area in 1987. Purchased by BROMLEY and closed in 1990.</p><blockquote><p>[Note: Re-opened in Dec, 1997.]</p><p>Vertical Drop: 1600 ft Top: 3000 Base: 1400</p><p>Lifts: 2 triple chairs, 3 double chairs, 1 T-bar snowmaking</p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>MARSHALL HILL (Stowe), [very obscure], Located in downtown Stowe on School St. Shown on a real estate map of unknown year. On the map, the Lifts at STOWE match those from 1970 to 1978.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>MERRY HILL LODGE (St. Johnsbury), [very obscure], Located 2 miles south of St. Johnsbury. One reference, in 1949. 2 rope tows, 20m jump, night skiing</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>MOUNTAIN TOP CLUB (Chittenden), [name change], Located 9 miles northeast of Rutland on Mt. Trense at the &quot;Mountain Top Club&quot;. &quot;slopes on premises&quot;. Rope tow. (1949) Became APPLE HILL. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>MT. AEOLUS (Manchester), [obscure], Home of the very first J-bar, invented by Fred Pabst. Note: Pabst owned many ski areas (17 areas in the late 30&rsquo;s) and added J-bars at all of them (e.g., Bromley, Wassau, WI). Located north of Manchester. Some maps call the mountain &quot;Green Peak&quot;. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>MT. HUNGER (Middlesex), [very obscure], New in 1964. (only reference) Lifts: 2 T-bars 8 trails</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>1B. Who remembers these Lost VERMONT Ski Areas?</p><ul><li>Mt Tom </li><li>Northeast Slopes </li><li>Northfield Outing Club </li><li>Oxbow Mountain </li><li>Peacham Community Ski Area </li><li>Pine Top </li><li>Pinnacle Ski-Ways </li><li>Prospect Mountain </li><li>Prosper Ski Hill </li><li>Pulsifer&rsquo;s </li></ul><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>1C. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF WYOMING (continued)</p><p>Here is the info on the 10 WYOMING ski areas we listed last time.</p><p>{Copyright 1998, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.}</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SNOWY RANGE (Saratoga), [closed], Located 23 miles southeast of Saratoga on WY 130 in Ryan Park. Formerly called BARRETT RIDGE and RYAN PARK. Operated from before 1956 to about 1975. Not to be confused with MEDICINE BOW, further east on Hiway 130.</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 710 ft Top: Base:</p><p>Lifts: chairlift, Poma (single chair, 1965)</p></blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SOUTH PASS (Lander), [very obscure], Located 30 miles south of Lander on WY 28. Shown on highway maps, circa 1965 to 1974. Not shown in guidebooks of that era, therefore no data. According to a TCS reader, the site was wiped out by a mine built at the location.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SUMMIT (Laramie), [name change], Located 10 miles east of Laramie, just off US30 (now I-80). Opened at least by 1949. Changed name to HAPPY JACK (which see) about 1963 or 64.</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 200 ft Elev: 8500 Lifts: rope tow</p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>SUNDANCE (Sundance), [obscure], Located 2 miles south of the town of Sundance (I-90 near So. Dakota border). Probably operated in the 84/85 and 85/86 seasons. Suffered from lack of snow.</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 1000 ft Top: 5830 Base: 4800</p><p>Lifts: 1 double chair, 1 T-bar, 1 rope tow 75 acres</p></blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SURVEYOR CAMP (Pinedale), [name change], A 1949 map used this name. Other Guidebooks of the era called it &quot;Surveyor PARK&quot;.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SURVEYOR PARK (Pinedale), [name change], Located 10 miles northeast of Pinedale on &quot;Fortification Mountain&quot;. Carried this name from 1949 to 1960. For some reason, maps of the era called it Surveyor CAMP. Area was renamed FORTIFICATION MOUNTAIN (early 60&rsquo;s), PINEDALE (60&rsquo;s and 70&rsquo;s), and WHITE PINE (70&rsquo;s and 80&rsquo;s).</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 400 ft Top: 9500 Base: 8600</p><p>Lifts: &quot;cable tow&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>TETON PASS (Jackson), [closed], Located 13 miles west of Jackson on WY 22. Operated from the 1930&rsquo;s to about 1970. From 1961 Jackson Hole Guide: &quot;old favorite - 2 rope tows in 1960&quot;. There was also skiing down the highway switchbacks (towless, 2500 ft vertical possible.)</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 1000 ft Top: 8500 Base: 7500</p><p>Lifts: 1 rope tow</p></blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p><p>TWO OCEAN MOUNTAIN (Togwotee Pass), [obscure], Located 25 miles east of Moran (32 miles west of Dubois) on US 26. There is now a commercial X-country ski area on the pass. Operated from about 1949 to the early 70&rsquo;s. In 1949, there was an &quot;additional rope tow&quot; in the Togwotee Pass vicinity. Note: A TCS reader says that there were two separate ski areas on the pass.</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 600 ft Top: Base: 9650</p><p>Lifts: 2 rope tows</p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p>UNDINE FALLS (Yellowstone Park), [obscure], Located in Yellowstone Park, 5 miles east of Mammoth Hot Springs village. The area was started in 1949 to provide winter recreation for the employees and children thereof stuck in the park all winter. Until recently it just had a rope tow and a modest vertical drop. In 1993 there was a Park Service plan to replace the rope with a T-bar and cut a few trees to lengthen the slope. The tree cutting plan engendered negative publicity. Current status unknown.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>WHITE PINE (Pinedale) [closed], Located 10 miles northeast of Pinedale off US 187 on &quot;Fortification Mountain&quot;. Formerly called </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SURVEYOR CAMP (1949, 1960), FORTIFICATION MOUNTAIN (60&rsquo;s), and PINEDALE (late 60&rsquo;s and 70&rsquo;s). Became WHITE PINE around 1976. Closed in 1989. There is a &quot;White Pine Ski Lodge&quot; at the base, still open. The Poma still stands (1996).</p><blockquote><p>Vertical Drop: 1000 ft Top: 9500 Base: 8500</p><p>Lifts: 1 Poma, 1 rope tow</p></blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p><p>[This completes Lost Wyoming.]</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>1D. Who remembers these Lost ILLINOIS Ski Areas?</p><ul><li>Barberry Hills </li><li>Buffalo Park </li><li>Fox Trails </li><li>Gander Mountain </li><li>Holiday Park </li><li>James Park </li><li>Lost Valley </li><li>Marriott&rsquo;s Lincolnshire Resort </li><li>Pere Marquette </li><li>Quincy Park </li></ul><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>2. LOST SKI AREAS FOLLOW-UP</p><p>a. No one seemed to care which ROCKY MOUNTAIN state should follow Wyoming. So we arbitrarily decided to give the Midwest a break and do ILLINOIS. That will only take one issue, so, barring an outpouring of reader interest in some other state, next will be NEVADA.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. TYROL, NH - Last time, we said that we drove all over Thorn Mtn in NH (near Jackson) and couldn&rsquo;t find the old TYROL ski area. Two loyal readers wrote to say that it is really there. So we checked our topo map (supplied by another loyal TCS reader) and sure enough: A group of four houses and a large garage-like building which we had seen but were posted &quot;no trespassing&quot; was actually the old base area. The area ran (south) from there up to the top of Thorn Mtn and then down to the east. Success (sort of) at last.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. WESTFORD, MA - We indicated that no one could remember the name of a small ski area near &quot;Drew&rsquo;s Farmstand&quot;. One reader suggested PRIEST&rsquo;S. We have that one further north in Groton. New reader JEREMY (VT) thinks it was called BLAKE&rsquo;S HILL. We like it. Comments?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. MT WATATIC, MA - Jeremy also reported hiking on Mt Watatic last summer and finding (in an old ski shop) a stack of brochures marked &quot;1988-89&quot;. We show this area closing after the 1983-84 season. Interesting. A failed comeback?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. Please feel free to ask about any lost U.S. ski area at any time.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>3. TRIVIA QUESTIONS FOLLOW UP</p><p>a. SNEAKY TRIVIA - What is a &quot;cat track&quot; and where did it get its name? ANSWER: Think summer and a road zigzagging up the mountain, used by construction vehicles. Now cover it with snow and see the tracked vehicles carrying supplies up to the on-mountain restaurants. In the winter the tracked vehicles are called &quot;snowcats&quot;. Their road is a &quot;track&quot;. But why &quot;CAT&quot;? Because in the U.S., tracked construction vehicles are built mostly by CATERPILLAR, Inc. They dominate the industry. So a tracked vehicle is called a &quot;caterpillar tractor&quot;, or just a &quot;caterpillar&quot;, or usually just a &quot;cat&quot;. And eventually, all tracked vehicles (summer or winter) came to be called &quot;cats&quot;. And so boys and girls, that is the story of &quot;cat track&quot;. Most of you who answered knew Parts 1 and 2, that is, about the road and the tracked vehicles. Only a few mentioned &quot;Caterpillar&quot;. FWIW, the latest (Feb) issue of POWDER magazine has an article about the joys and sorrows of skiing on or over cat tracks.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. INSTANT TRIVIA - A few years back the Disney Magazine showed a picture of the Fantasyland castle with real, natural SNOW on the ground. At which of the four Disneyland parks would that have been?</p><p>Give up? It was Tokyo Disneyland. (also possible in Paris ??)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. EARTHQUAKE! - Last year we talked about noxious fumes emanating from vents on Mammoth Mountain (CA) (which is a volcano). This Fall, Mammoth had a 4.1 earthquake. Good luck, skiers! This reminds us of a neat trivia question. The SAN ANDREAS FAULT runs roughly from south of L.A. to north of S.F. SNEAKY TRIVIA: Which two SKI AREAS straddle the San Andreas Fault?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>4. SKI AREA NEWS (Updates only - other news in previous issues)</p><p>a. KILLINGTON - We were rather conservative when we reported that the POMA web site showed a sale of two &quot;connecting&quot; quad chairs to Big K and we speculated that the connection with PICO might be imminent. Several readers pointed out that the 97-98 Killington brochure already shows the two chairs (and new trails), labeled &quot;1998&quot;. True; we have a copy. Also, PICO added a high speed quad this season.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. CUCHARA VALLEY, CO - Really did re-open this season and had the good fortune to get hit by an early &quot;front range&quot; storm which left them with over 50 inches of base, more than most other areas in CO. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. MAGIC MOUNTAIN, VT - Also re-opened with two chairlifts, some surface lifts, and minimal snowmaking. Anyone checked it out? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. BERTHOUD PASS, CO - Has delayed their planned re-opening from 24 Dec to 16 Jan. They will be using only one of their two chairs (plus two shuttle buses). It will be the shorter one (triple) on the right (east) by the base lodge. The quad is scheduled for next season.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. TEMPLE MTN, NH - Is still closed but there is hope. The judge who moved the area from Chapter 11 to Chapter 7 considered a plea by new investors to re-open this season but finally decided that the area could not be made safe. However, the judge has left the door open for the area to be sold intact, rather than piecemeal. Want to buy?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>f. JAY PEAK, VT - Was sold by one Canadian company to another Canadian company. The new owners promise improvements.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>g. BOLTON VALLEY - You probably know that this ski area went Chapter 11 and then was foreclosed by a bank. The bank then sold it to a 27 year old young man. He apparently received it as a present from his Father and Grandfather a few days after graduating from UVM!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>h. VAIL - Once again, the Forest Service has approved the Cat III expansion (new back bowls). (How many times previously have we announced the &quot;Final&quot; approval? At least 3!)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i. LIFT NEWS - 61 new ski lifts were installed in North America this Fall (not counting handle tows and magic carpets).</p><blockquote><p>By Region: Rockies 24, East 12, Midwest 10, West 9, Canada 6.</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>By Manufacturer: Garaventa 22, Doppelmayr 17, Poma 16, Riblet 5, Leitner 1.</p></blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p><p>j. SNOW NEWS - Colorado has had a rather pathetic snow season so far. El Nino is not helping us at all. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>5. BUILDER&rsquo;S EMPORIUM</p><p>a. JUNE MTN, CA - We had heard a rumor that the JUNE &quot;QMC&quot; gondola was closed and TCS reader ERIC G (CA) has confirmed it. The YAN gondola uses the same type of detachable grip that has plagued the YAN quad chairs. June was unable to repair or replace the grips last season and apparently not this season either. Any recent news?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. HONG KONG FUNICULAR - Reader ERIC L, formerly of Palo Alto, now lives in Hong Kong (probably sent to spy on the Chinese) and mentioned a funicular and gondola. So we did the research. The &quot;Peak Tram&quot; travels to the top of Victoria Peak, altitude 552m. The originally steam-powered funicular was built in 1888 and was the first funicular in Asia. The system was remodeled in 1989. Altho primarily used by tourists to reach a park at the top of Victoria Peak, there are stops along the way which allow it to serve as a commuter system as well. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. HONG KONG &quot;TRAM&quot; - The &quot;OCEAN PARK&quot; amusement park on the south side of the island at Aberdeen has a gondola or tram which connects two sections of the park. Details are sketchy - it is called a &quot;cable car&quot; and apparently travels quite high above the ground. One guide book said that the cars are &quot;flimsy&quot;.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. SINGAPORE GONDOLA - We saw this one in an ad and researched. It connects downtown with &quot;SENTOSA ISLAND&quot;, a multi-faceted amusement area which requires an entry fee as well as the gondola fee. Current pictures show a 6 or 8 passenger CWA car but a rare 2-cable system. However, older pictures show a BELL 4 passenger car. BELL has always built 2-cable systems, most notably at VAIL and MAMMOTH.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. TRIVIA RESEARCH - On a recent search thru Calif. antique shops we found an early 50&rsquo;s OREGON travel brochure. Not only did it list some lost Oregon ski areas we didn&rsquo;t have, but it had a picture of the &quot;SKIWAY&quot; aerial bus, that ridiculous system that ran from Government Camp to Timberline for a few years in the early 50&rsquo;s. Even better, later we found an actual brochure for the Skiway bus. Neato! </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>f. PIPE DRAGON - The Pipe Dragon is a mechanical monstrosity which is used to shape and groom snowboard half-pipes. It was invented by Doug Waugh, a semi-retired FARMER from Colorado. At first he just took it around to ski areas and built half-pipes. But ski areas wanted their own so he started building and selling them - 10 a year at $50K apiece. He will take one to Nagano to build the Olympic half-pipe. So much for retirement! (BTW, Doug does not ski or board.)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>g. SNOWMASS FUNICULAR? - Poma and Otis Elevator have built a funicular at SNOWMASS, CO. Is this the long-awaited first ski area funicular in the U.S.? Well, not exactly; it serves a condo complex, not a ski slope.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>6. POTPOURRI</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. ERRATA - Readers pointed out two mistakes in the last newsletter:</p><p>o Dallas, &quot;Columbia&rsquo;s Team&quot; should be COLOMBIA&rsquo;S Team.</p><p>o At SUGARLOAF, the &quot;crossing&quot; chairlifts are a triple and a double, not two quads (which we inadvertently copied from the previous entry).</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>We like it when you readers find mistakes in the newsletter, because:</p><ul><li>It keeps us on our toes </li><li>We get a chance to print corrections </li><li>We get to argue when we think you are wrong </li><li>We get to chortle when we know you are wrong </li><li>Well, at least we know you are reading every word! </li></ul><p>Also, since we can&rsquo;t count, the purchase of LOON MTN (NH) brings the total number of ski areas owned by BOOTH CREEK to 11, not 10.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. As you probably know, VAIL and WHISTLER compete to be the best ski resort in North America. In the latest battle, a World Cup Men&rsquo;s Downhill was canceled at Whistler and was successfully held at VAIL.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. SWITCHBACK - We mentioned that a Hollywood movie was filmed in Colorado last winter. Upon release, the name was changed to &quot;Switchback&quot; - it stars Danny Glover and Dennis Quaid. Filmed in Leadville and Georgetown, the most famous scene was the Cadillac convertible sliding off a cliff, filmed on Battle Mountain, near Vail. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. TWO WAY RIVER - Help us on this one. Last year, during the floods in Minnesota, the RED RIVER and the MINNESOTA RIVER were mentioned. The Red River starts in western MN (near Fargo), and travels north thru Grand Forks, into Canada. The Minnesota River starts in western MN (near Fargo), and travels east to St. Paul where it joins the Mississippi. The strange thing is that on our map, the two rivers start at the SAME place. That can&rsquo;t happen! Would someone please explain? (Paul?)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. TCS NEWSLETTER FREQUENT CORRESPONDENTS LIST - Someone (on the list) pointed out that, without numbers, the list order was ambiguous. OK, column 1 was 1-5 and column 2 was 6-10. JUDITH pointed out that altho she was only number 11, she was the &quot;Number 1 Woman&quot;. (We were thinking: Bo Derek is a 10, Judith is an 11!) FWIW the number 2 and 3 women are DEBBIE and BRIDGET, both of CA. And for Families, there is Carol (DC), her husband, and her sister, and ..... When we get caught up on the statistics we will publish a more detailed list (as if anyone really cares).</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>f. HANG IN THERE - The last round of E-Mails had several good ski area trivia comments and questions (e.g., Oldest ski lift in Colorado?). We didn&rsquo;t get enough research done over the Holidays to respond, but we will soon, either in personal E-Mails, or in the next newsletter. And we thank you for your continued support. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>7. TCS TRIP REPORT</p><p>Last Fall our AFA away football game trip took us to San Jose, CA. While there we visited the most excellent MONTEREY BAY AQUARIUM and of course FISHERMAN&rsquo;S WHARF (our favorite restaurant is Alioto&rsquo;s). And, it was our first visit to California wine country, namely the Sonoma and Napa valleys. Highly recommended (hic). Our favorite winery tour was ROBERT MONDAVI, and the best wines were at BERINGER. </p><p>The highlight of the trip for a faithful TCS reporter had to be the discovery of a ski-type gondola! STERLING VINEYARDS, near Calistoga, deliberately built their winery and tasting room on top of a knoll. Visitors use the gondola for access. It was built in 1972 by Hall Ski Lifts (NY) and had 4-passenger cars built by CWA (Switzerland). The vertical rise is 300 ft, there are 9 towers, and about 10 cars. the cars detach at top and bottom and are hand pushed around the transfer track. One unusual feature is that the system is triangular in layout. The cars travel straight up from bottom to top but on the return trip head out at an angle, go around another bull wheel, and then down to the lower terminal. (Trivia is everywhere!) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>8. TRAVEL NEWS - Last year we were recommending that you fly discount airline WestPac (Western Pacific) into COS (Colorado Springs) both to save money and to avoid DIA. Too late. WestPac moved from COS to DIA, AND declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy. They are still a discount airline but we wouldn&rsquo;t risk a major ski trip on them staying in business. Meanwhile COS airport is uncrowded - look for discounts.</p><p>DISNEYLAND UNCROWDED - Once again we went to a popular amusement area on the day BEFORE a holiday, not the day AFTER. In this case it was Disneyland, on 24 Dec. Zero to ten minute lines everywhere. On &quot;Small World&quot;, PC Jr and I were the only passengers on our boat! BTW, Small World was totally re-themed for Christmas - worth seeing. Even the &quot;Indiana Jones&quot; line was only 20 minutes - shortest we have ever encountered. We believe that this type of holiday scheduling also applies to Skiing - altho to be honest, we haven&rsquo;t skied during Xmas Week in Colorado for several years. (We are always at Disneyland!)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>9. Really Large Useless Info (i.e., TITANIC TRIVIA)</p><p>Now that the movie &quot;Titanic&quot; is upon us, it is time for some Titanic trivia. The first two items are sort of &quot;urban legends&quot;, myths that we (and perhaps you) always believed were true, until research proved otherwise.</p><p>a. Myth - At the time of its maiden voyage, the Titanic was larger than any passenger liner ever built. True? Not exactly. No other ship was bigger - True. It was bigger than all others - False. </p><p>WHITE STAR had ordered 3 nearly identical giant liners in order to compete with CUNARD. The 3 were the OLYMPIC, TITANIC, and GIGANTIC. The Olympic was launched first and had been sailing for a year when the Titanic first sailed. Therefore, as White Star billboards proclaimed: They were the TWO largest liners afloat. </p><p>The Olympic sailed for many years and had only one major accident: it was struck by a British warship in the English Channel, but returned to port under its own power. After the Titanic &quot;incident&quot; the launch of the &quot;Gigantic&quot; was held up while the waterproof bulkheads were raised up another deck. It was also (prudently) renamed &quot;Britannic&quot;. The Britannic served as a hospital ship during WWI and sank in the Mediterranean after hitting a mine. Fortunately there were no patients aboard and casualties were minimal.</p><p>A researcher discovered the amazing coincidence that a nurse aboard the BRITANNIC had also been a passenger on the TITANIC, and was aboard the OLYMPIC when it was struck! When asked, the nurse said she had no fear of ocean travel and in fact she spent her declining years traveling about England - by train! ;-) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. Myth - The Titanic was headed straight towards the iceberg until it was turned to port thus causing the iceberg to scrape the starboard side. If it had hit head-on it might have survived. Not true. The Titanic was a very large ship and was traveling at full speed (in the dark, in known iceberg waters - go figure). It turned very slowly. There were only 34 seconds between the lookout&rsquo;s warning and the impact. Computer models show that the bow of the ship only changed direction by 1.5 degrees during that time. Insignificant. The ship was doomed, regardless of actions on the bridge. Note that the First Officer (the Captain was in his cabin, presumably asleep) also ordered &quot;full speed astern&quot; which caused loss of steerage way.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. Myth - The iceberg caused a 300 foot gash down the starboard side of the ship. No. Photographs by modern submersibles show that there were only tiny slits, adding up to about 12 sq. feet of skin breakage. However, water still poured thru the slits at a very high rate.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. Myth - Iceberg Report messages from other ships were not delivered to the Captain. Only partially true. Several messages were delivered during the day. An evening message was not delivered when the Captain was at dinner. The most famous message came from the freighter &quot;Californian&quot;, a few miles away, which reported at 10pm that it was surrounded by pack ice and was staying put until dawn. The Titanic wireless operator responded &quot;Shut up, shut up, I am busy. I am working Cape Race&quot;, indicating that he was sending personal messages. The warning was not delivered. The Californian operator, thus rebuffed, turned off his radio and went to sleep, thus never receiving the &quot;CQD&quot; emergency distress call (SOS was not in widespread use yet). The Titanic operator (perhaps fortunately) went down with the ship.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. Myth - If the Titanic had carried more lifeboats, many more lives would have been saved. Possibly, but not necessarily. The ship sank in less than 3 hours. It was dark and very cold. Not many more boats would have been launched by the inexperienced crew. As it was, only 13 of the 20 lifeboats reached the Carpathia (the rescue vessel).</p><p>The number of lifeboats carried on a passenger liner has never been a major issue because the ships are not supposed to sink. One reads about accidents all the time but the ship doesn&rsquo;t sink. The QE2 hit an &quot;uncharted&quot; rock near Nantucket a few years back. The passengers were safely removed and the ship sailed to Boston for repairs. This is typical. The &quot;Lusitania&quot; was sunk by an enemy torpedo during WWI, with great loss of life. Passenger ships are not built to sustain torpedo hits; nor should they be sailed into a war zone during a war.</p><p>More recently, the ANDRIA DORIA sank off Long Island after being struck by the liner Stockholm. The Andria Doria stayed afloat long enough for the passengers and crew to be off-loaded and rescued. Only 30 lives were lost, most at the time of impact. The Stockholm sailed back to NYC under its own power. Lifeboats? We don&rsquo;t need no stinking lifeboats! Any questions? (we have more myths)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr noshade="true" /><p>10. EPILOG</p><p>a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR first and last name) in your first E-Mail to TCS. Why? 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        <![CDATA[Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER <br /><p>This is part of a series on Ski Area Info. &nbsp;It is posted separately <br />from our companion series on &quot;THE LOST SKI AREAS OF COLORADO (et al)&quot;, <br />and &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - TRIVIA&quot;. &nbsp;Check 'em out. <br /></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; THE COLORADO SKIER &nbsp;presents &nbsp; <br /></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; THE TCS LISTS - EDITION #7 &nbsp; (10-24-97) <br /></p><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: <br /></p><p>A. &nbsp;In case you were wondering, the last TCS newsletter was TRIVIA.24, <br />published 22 July 1997. &nbsp;There were no August or September issues. &nbsp; <br />This reminds us of a Chris Hill remark about the newsletter: &nbsp;&quot;... the <br />rarity and randomness makes it a nice surprise.&quot; <br /></p><p>B. &nbsp;We should have mentioned that our last issue was an anniversary <br />edition of the TCS newsletter. &nbsp;It started the SIXTH YEAR of &quot;The <br />Colorado Skier&quot; on the Internet. &nbsp;The very first edition was posted on <br />15 July 1992. <br /></p><p>C. &nbsp;John Denver was a friend to skiing. &nbsp;He was an accomplished skier <br />himself. &nbsp;His TV specials usually featured skiing and/or other winter <br />sports. &nbsp;For several years he was the host of the &quot;John Denver <br />Celebrity Classic&quot; &nbsp;(a celebrity ski race) at Heavenly Valley. &nbsp;He <br />will be missed. <br /></p><p>D. &nbsp;Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF <br />SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc. <br /></p><p>1A. THE GREAT &quot;SKI AREAS I HAVE SKIED&quot; CONTEST <br /></p><p>We ask you to send us the total number of (lift-served) ski areas <br />you have skied, the number of areas with verticals over 1000 feet, <br />and the number of states/provinces skied. &nbsp;The current results: <br /></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Total &nbsp; Areas &nbsp; States, Provinces, <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Skier &nbsp;State &nbsp; Areas &nbsp; &gt; 1000 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Countries <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _____________ &nbsp; _____ &nbsp; ______ &nbsp;___________ <br /></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Joshua &nbsp;NH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 171!! &nbsp;84 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;15,1,3 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jan-ErikOR &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 116 ! &nbsp; &nbsp; 108 ! &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,2,4 * <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mike &nbsp; &nbsp;MI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;84 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;51 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11,2,3 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mark K &nbsp;NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;73 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;65 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;17 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom Moore &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; MA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;70 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;57 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;14 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Judith &nbsp;MD &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;65 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;41 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;17 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jim B &nbsp; MD &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;62 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;56 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;15 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Carol B MD &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;61 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;55 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;15 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Al &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;57 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;52 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;16 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jon Z &nbsp; MA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;57 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;47 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;14 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Alecia PIL &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;55 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;12 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ron P &nbsp; IL &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;54 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;12 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom HansonCO &nbsp; &nbsp;54 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;35 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; John W &nbsp;VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;53 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;42 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Paul T &nbsp;NH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;53 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;50 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Carlson CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;49 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dan K &nbsp; CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;49 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;46 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9,1,5 * <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mike ReganMA &nbsp; &nbsp;48 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;44 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BORIS &nbsp; CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;49 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;47 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Curtis &nbsp;MD &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;49 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;38 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13,3,0 * <br />20 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; John K &nbsp;MN &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;45 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;32 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;12 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ted &nbsp; &nbsp; MA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;44 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;33 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; David R NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;44 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;29 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; JMK &nbsp; &nbsp; CT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;42 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Wesley &nbsp;VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;42 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;34 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;7,0,3 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Karl &nbsp; &nbsp;UT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;42 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;26 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;14 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hugh &nbsp; &nbsp;NZ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;41 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve Hult.CO &nbsp; 41 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;31 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; # TCS # CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;40 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;38 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Paul M &nbsp;MN &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;40 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10 ! &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; NATASHA CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;43 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;41 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Peter &nbsp; CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;37 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10,1,5 * <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dave L &nbsp;NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;34 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Gregg T NJ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;34 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bruce J CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;39 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;32 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bill HeryNJ &nbsp; &nbsp; 38 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;37 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Eric &nbsp; &nbsp;NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;38 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Verney &nbsp;TX &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;38 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;25 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Larry &nbsp; OH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;38 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;21 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Nick &nbsp; &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;37 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;32 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br />40 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Scott R CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;36 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;35 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;11 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff B &nbsp;MT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;35 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;33 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Carl K &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;35 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -,-,2 * <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Keith &nbsp; MA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;34 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;26 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Michael UT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;34 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;12 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve K MA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;33 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;31 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Chuckie BCO &nbsp; &nbsp; 33 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;29 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Crispin OR &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;33 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;23 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Earl &nbsp; &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;32 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;30 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dennis &nbsp;CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;31 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;22 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve ? CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;31 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Matthew NM &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;30 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;30 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Doug S &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;30 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;25 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dave N &nbsp;Ont &nbsp; &nbsp; 29 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;22 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bill W &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;28 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;24 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; George &nbsp;CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;28 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;18 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Kent &nbsp; &nbsp;CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;28 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;16 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Scott &nbsp; MA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;27 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;26 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Richard CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;27 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;23 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Benjie &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;26 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;25 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />60 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SISSY &nbsp; NH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;25 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;22 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Danny &nbsp; PA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;24 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;19 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Harry &nbsp; IL &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;24 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;19 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Leo &nbsp; &nbsp; CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;24 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;17 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Marcus &nbsp;Scotland24 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;16 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jim &nbsp; &nbsp; FL &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;26 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ned &nbsp; &nbsp; MD &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;24 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;19 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rob &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;? &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;23 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;22 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Phillip MA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;23 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;20 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; John &nbsp; &nbsp;TX &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;23 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve HarrisMA &nbsp;22 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;20 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom B &nbsp; Ger &nbsp; &nbsp; 22 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;14 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4 cntrys <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bridget CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;21 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;19 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bill C &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;20 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Kassim &nbsp;OR &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;20 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;14 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Judy P &nbsp;MD &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;20 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rick &nbsp; &nbsp;CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;18 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;18 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Wiley &nbsp; CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;18 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;16 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; John S &nbsp;CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;17 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;17 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Duke &nbsp; &nbsp;KS &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;17 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;16 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />80 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Matt &nbsp; &nbsp;MI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;16 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mike S &nbsp;TX &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;15 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - PC Jr -CO &nbsp; &nbsp; 14 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Chester CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;14 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve P OH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Kevin M CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Robert LCA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;13 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Chris &nbsp; VA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5,0,2 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jim S &nbsp; TX &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Robert &nbsp;OH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4 <br />90 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [* denotes a new or updated entry since the last post] <br /></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Note: &nbsp;JAN-ERIK added 10 new areas this season! <br /></p><p>1B. &nbsp; &nbsp; MY FIRST SKI AREA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br /></p><p>&nbsp;STATE &nbsp;SKI AREA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;SKIER &nbsp; YEAR &nbsp; &nbsp;COMMENTS <br /></p><p>CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Heavenly Valley Jan-Erik &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;1984 <br />CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Lassen &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Earl &nbsp; &nbsp;1983 &nbsp; &nbsp;area closed <br />CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Mammoth Mtn &nbsp; &nbsp; Nick P &nbsp;1966 &nbsp; &nbsp;age 11 - no clue <br />CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Mountain High &nbsp; Dave &nbsp; &nbsp; - <br />CA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Papoose &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bill W &nbsp;1963 &nbsp; &nbsp;merged &gt; Squaw <br /></p><p>CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;A-Basin &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rick &nbsp; &nbsp;1966 <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;A-Basin &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ned &nbsp; &nbsp; 1972 <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Berthoud &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Jack N &nbsp;1945 &lt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; new oldie <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Ski Broadmoor &nbsp; PC Jr &nbsp; 1975 &nbsp; &nbsp;area closed <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Cooper Hill &nbsp; &nbsp; # TCS # 1964 &nbsp; &nbsp;age 6? &nbsp;;-) <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Geneva Basin &nbsp; &nbsp;Chester 1982 &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Loveland &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Jeff B &nbsp;1977 <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Silver Hills &nbsp; &nbsp;John N &nbsp;70's &nbsp; &nbsp;area closed <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Winter Park &nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff &nbsp; &nbsp;1964 &nbsp; &nbsp;2 yrs old? <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Winter Park &nbsp; &nbsp; Marc &nbsp; &nbsp;1970 <br />CO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Winter Park &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve K 1974 <br /></p><p>IL &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Four Lakes &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;David G 1963 <br />IL &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Holiday Park &nbsp; &nbsp;Ron P &nbsp; 1974 &nbsp; &nbsp;area closed <br /></p><p>MI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Alpine Valley &nbsp; Dennis &nbsp; - <br />MI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Caberfae &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;George &nbsp;1966 &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />MI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Nub's Nob &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve H 1971 <br />MI * &nbsp; &nbsp;Nub&rsquo;s Nob &nbsp; &nbsp; Matt &nbsp; &nbsp;1975 <br />MI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Pine Mountain &nbsp; Jim &nbsp; &nbsp; 1964 <br />MI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Porcupine Mtn &nbsp; Harry &nbsp; 1979 <br />MI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Sylvan&rsquo;s Nob &nbsp;Tom Moore &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1970 <br /></p><p>MN &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Afton Alps &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Kent &nbsp; &nbsp;1973 <br />MN &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Buck Hill &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Paul &nbsp; &nbsp;1961 <br />MN &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Wild Mountain &nbsp; John K &nbsp;1985 <br /></p><p>NC &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Wolf Laurel &nbsp; &nbsp; Amie &nbsp; &nbsp; - <br /></p><p>NH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Belknap &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bruce J 1949 &nbsp; &nbsp;now Gunstock <br />NH * &nbsp; &nbsp;Loon &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Bruce L 1975 <br />NH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Mt. Cranmore &nbsp; &nbsp;Denis &nbsp; 1954 &lt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; old fossil! <br />NH &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Waterville ValleyMike &nbsp; 1982 <br /></p><p>NM &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Pajarito &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Verney &nbsp;66-67 <br />NM &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Sierra Blanca &nbsp; Jim B &nbsp; 1976 <br />NM &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Taos &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Jim S &nbsp; 1988 <br /></p><p>NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Altamont &nbsp;?? &nbsp; &nbsp;Ric &nbsp; &nbsp; 1946 &lt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; barrel staves? <br />NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Beartown &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Gregg T 1961 &nbsp; &nbsp;age 7! <br />NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Belleayre &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mark K &nbsp;1964? <br />NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Greek Peak &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Phillip 1984 <br />NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Hunter Mountain Bill H &nbsp;1969 &nbsp; &nbsp;He feels old <br />NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Maple Ski Ridge Paul T &nbsp;1963 <br />NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Silvermine &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Eric &nbsp; &nbsp;1956 &nbsp; &nbsp;area closed <br />NY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Victor Constant Dan K &nbsp; 1968 &nbsp; &nbsp;(West Point) <br /></p><p>OH * &nbsp; &nbsp;Snow Trails &nbsp; &nbsp; John S &nbsp;1971 <br /></p><p>PA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Seven Springs &nbsp; Steve P 1986 <br /></p><p>UT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Snow Basin &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;BORIS &nbsp; 1968 <br /></p><p>VA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The Homestead &nbsp; Beth &nbsp; &nbsp;1960 &nbsp; &nbsp;started young? <br />VA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Wintergreen &nbsp; &nbsp; Mark A &nbsp; - <br /></p><p>VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Bolton Valley &nbsp; Bill A &nbsp;1977 <br />VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Hogback &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; John W &nbsp;1979 &nbsp; &nbsp;area closed <br />VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Killington &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Judith &nbsp;1964 <br />VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Killington &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Curtis &nbsp;1987 <br />VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Mt. Snow &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Kevin M 1988 <br />VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Stowe &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Wiley G 1955 &lt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 41 years ago! <br />VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Stowe (?) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve H &nbsp;- &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(Not sure) <br />VT &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Stowe &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Wesley &nbsp;1966 &nbsp; &nbsp;Age 8. &nbsp;Cold. <br /></p><p>WA * &nbsp; &nbsp;Snoqualmie SummitFrank &nbsp;1994 &nbsp; &nbsp;Late bloomer <br /></p><p>WI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Tyrol Basin &nbsp; &nbsp; Carlson &nbsp;- <br /></p><p>WY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Happy Jack (closed)Otis 1952 &nbsp; &nbsp;Young. &nbsp;Hated it. <br />WY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Jackson Hole &nbsp; &nbsp;Lisa &nbsp; &nbsp;1987 <br />WY &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Medicine Bow &nbsp; &nbsp;Bridget 1973 &nbsp; &nbsp;(now Snowy Range) <br /></p><p>BC &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Le Jeune Lodge &nbsp;Marcus &nbsp;1972 &nbsp; &nbsp;area closed <br />ONT &nbsp; &nbsp; Craigleith &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Crispin 1967 &nbsp; &nbsp;2.5 years old <br />QUE &nbsp; &nbsp; Edelweiss ValleyLeo &nbsp; &nbsp; 1974 &nbsp; &nbsp;age 10 <br /></p><p>FRA &nbsp; &nbsp; Valmorel &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Chris &nbsp; 1992 &nbsp; &nbsp;a newbie <br />SWE &nbsp; &nbsp; Bjasta Backen &nbsp; Danno &nbsp; 1983 &nbsp; &nbsp;At night! <br />67 <br /></p><p>2. &nbsp;OTHER LISTS <br /></p><p>a. &nbsp;U.S. Ski Areas With The MOST VERTICAL DROP &nbsp;(feet) <br /></p><p>&nbsp; Snowmass &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;4400 &nbsp;Note 1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Aspen Highlands &nbsp; 3635 <br />&nbsp; Big Sky &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4180 &nbsp;Note 2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Heavenly Valley &nbsp; 3500 <br />&nbsp; Jackson Hole &nbsp;4139 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Sun Valley &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;3400 <br />&nbsp; Beaver Creek &nbsp;4040 &nbsp;Note 2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Vail &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;3330 <br />&nbsp; Steamboat &nbsp; &nbsp; 3668 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Aspen Mtn &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3267 <br /></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Note 1 - Upon completion of surface lift, 97/98 season <br />&nbsp; &nbsp;Note 2 - To ski the complete vertical a chairlift ride is required <br /></p><p>b. &nbsp;U.S. Ski Areas with The HIGHEST LIFT CAPACITY &nbsp;(skiers/hour) <br /></p><p>&nbsp; Mammoth Mtn &nbsp; &nbsp;53,000 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Winter Park &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;34,023 <br />&nbsp; Squaw Valley &nbsp; 49,000 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Heavenly Valley &nbsp;29,600 <br />&nbsp; Vail &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 45,213 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Copper Mtn &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 29,190 <br />&nbsp; Killington &nbsp; &nbsp; 35,327 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Sun Valley &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 28,380 <br />&nbsp; Steamboat &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;34,105 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mt Snow &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;26,685 <br /></p><p>c. &nbsp;Most UNUSUAL LIFTS (past) - U.S. Ski Areas <br /></p><p>&nbsp; o &nbsp;Skimobile at Mt. Cranmore, NH - one passenger cars on tracks <br />&nbsp; o &nbsp;Homestead, VA may have had a similar lift (60s/70s). &nbsp;It was &nbsp; <br />variously called a skimobile, trestle car, or tram. <br />&nbsp; o &nbsp;Chain driven chairlifts at Mt Snow, VT &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; o &nbsp;Combination Chairlift and T-bar at Howelsen Hill, CO <br />&nbsp; o &nbsp;Jigback chairlift tram at Squaw Valley, CA <br />&nbsp; o &nbsp;Aerial Bus at Timberline, OR <br /></p><p>d. &nbsp;States with The Most Open/Closed (Lost) Ski Areas <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; OPEN &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; LOST <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; New York &nbsp; &nbsp; 43 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;New York &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 173 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Michigan &nbsp; &nbsp; 37 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Colorado &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 130 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Wisconsin &nbsp; &nbsp;34 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;California &nbsp; &nbsp; 112 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; California &nbsp; 30 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;New Hampshire &nbsp;106 <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Colorado &nbsp; &nbsp; 25 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Michigan &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;94 <br /></p><p>e. &nbsp;Most Frequent TCS Newsletter Respondents <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom &nbsp;(MA) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jan-Erik &nbsp;(OR) <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rick &nbsp;(CO) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Eric &nbsp; &nbsp; (NY) <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bill H &nbsp;(NJ) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Jim &nbsp; &nbsp;(FL) <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Chester &nbsp;(CO) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve H &nbsp;(MA) <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bill W &nbsp;(CA) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Joshua &nbsp;(NH) &nbsp; &nbsp;(Judith is #11!) <br /></p><p>3A. &nbsp;SKI AREA EXPANSION NEWS <br /></p><p>a. KILLINGTON &nbsp;- &nbsp;Is replacing the double chair on Killington Peak <br />with a gondola, called &quot;K-1&quot;. &nbsp;The gondola won&rsquo;t be ready until late <br />December. &nbsp;This presented a problem for Big Ks effort to continue &nbsp; <br />their record as the first ski area in the East to open. &nbsp;They have <br />used the Cascade trail down from Killington Peak as their early opener <br />and now it had no lift service. &nbsp;Not to worry - see para 3B.a, below. <br /></p><p>POMA announced that they have sold two &quot;Interconnect&quot; chairs (a HS <br />quad and a FG quad) to Killington, presumably to connect with PICO. &nbsp; <br />Killington hints that the connection will happen in 1998. <br /></p><p>b. &nbsp;MT SNOW (VT) - Is installing a HS Quad in the old Carinthia area. <br /></p><p>c. &nbsp;SNOWBIRD (UT) - Is replacing the GAD II double chairlift with the <br />&quot;GADZOOM&quot; HS quad. &nbsp;Look for future terrain expansion to the south. <br /></p><p>d. &nbsp;CUCHARA VALLEY (CO) &nbsp;- &nbsp;With 5 owners in the last 10 years, and <br />dormant last season, Cuchara has been purchased by still another Texas <br />company and plans to be open this season. <br /></p><p>e. &nbsp;ELDORA (CO) &nbsp;- &nbsp;Is adding 150 new acres (called &quot;Indian Peaks&quot;) to <br />the west with several new trails and a new FG quad. <br /></p><p>f. &nbsp;BERTHOUD PASS (CO) &nbsp;- &nbsp;The new owners of this long dormant ski <br />area promised to open a lift for summer tourists and to be open for <br />skiing this season. &nbsp;However, according to a field agent who passes by <br />there frequently, there was no significant activity this summer. <br /></p><p>3B. &nbsp;SKI AREA NEWS &nbsp;- &nbsp;GENERAL <br /></p><p>a. &nbsp;KILLINGTON &nbsp;- &nbsp;Absent the Cascade Trail, Big K has designated the <br />&quot;Rime&quot; Trail for their early opener. &nbsp;It is served by the Glades <br />triple and access is via the Snowdon quad, snowcats, and a lot of <br />hiking. &nbsp;They did manage to open for two days on 2 and 3 Oct to keep <br />their &quot;first to open&quot; record alive but also set a record as the first <br />ski area in the country to close! &nbsp; BTW, to make sure the record <br />stayed at K, owner ACS told the (also ACS owned) SUGARBUSH and SUNDAY <br />RIVER ski areas not to open before Killington. &nbsp;;-) <br /></p><p>b. &nbsp;TIMBERLINE (OR) &nbsp;- &nbsp;Has destroyed the &quot;last to close&quot; and &quot;first <br />to open&quot; records. &nbsp;Traditionally open until Labor Day, this year <br />Timberline closed on 8 Sep for two weeks of maintenance and then re- <br />opened on 27 Sep for the 97/98 season. &nbsp;All other ski areas fight for <br />2nd place. <br /></p><p>c. &nbsp;ASC &nbsp;- &nbsp;In late summer ASC bought the STEAMBOAT (CO) and HEAVENLY <br />VALLEY (CA) ski areas from a Japanese company for $280 million. &nbsp;This <br />purchase brings ASC into a virtual tie with VAIL RESORTS for the lead <br />in most &quot;skier days&quot; among all their ski areas. &nbsp;Heavenly did not <br />report the number of skier days for 96/97 so the race is on for 97/98 <br />to post the biggest numbers. &nbsp; &nbsp;$280 mill is a big bunch of money so <br />the speculation started as to whether ASC would have to take on a <br />financial partner or would issue stock. &nbsp;They chose the latter path. &nbsp; <br /></p><p>d. &nbsp;VAIL &nbsp;- &nbsp;Last time we said that when A-Basin asked parent Vail for <br />$550K for advertising expenses, Vail only gave them $50K. &nbsp;To be fair: <br />A few weeks later Vail delivered an additional $450K. &nbsp;The money is to <br />be used for 97/98 brochures, ski shows, and a web site. &nbsp;Has anyone <br />seen a NEW A-Basin web site? &nbsp;Last one we saw still said Keystone. <br /></p><p>e. &nbsp;VAIL SELLS A-BASIN &nbsp;- &nbsp;When Vail (Vail/Beaver Creek) merged with <br />Ralston (Breck/Keystone) they were court-ordered to sell off A-Basin <br />to an independent party. &nbsp;Vail wanted $15 mill but experts said they <br />would be lucky to get 8 or 9 mill. &nbsp;Recently Vail sold The Basin to <br />Dundee Realty, USA, a subsidiary of a Canadian development company, &nbsp; <br />for $4 million! &nbsp;Industry experts were shocked by the low price. &nbsp; <br />Other bidders reported they had made offers of from 11 to 14 mill. <br /></p><p>Analysis of the offer revealed that Dundee had promised to contribute <br />money to the Summit County bus system and to pay Vail for lift tickets <br />sold which were good at A-Basin as well as Breck and Keystone. &nbsp;These <br />items made the bid much higher. &nbsp;However other bidders indicated that <br />they had included the same terms. &nbsp;Also, Dundee is developing condo <br />projects at both Beaver Creek and Arrowhead, and is buying more land <br />from Vail Resorts for more housing projects. &nbsp;So this was viewed, by <br />some, as not an &quot;arms length&quot; sale. &nbsp;However, the courts approved the <br />sale and it is a done deal. &nbsp;Dundee immediately started the EIS <br />process to get Forest Service approval for snowmaking. &nbsp; <br /></p><p>f. &nbsp;BOOTH CREEK &nbsp;- has bought LOON MTN (NH) which brings their total <br />number of ski areas owned to 10. <br /></p><p>g. &nbsp;MT SUNAPEE and CANNON ski areas are owned and operated by the <br />state of New Hampshire - this seems to limit their growth potential. <br />NH has finally decided to entertain proposals for private industry &nbsp; <br />lease and operation - probably for 30 year periods. &nbsp;Stay tuned. &nbsp; <br /></p><p>h. &nbsp;VAIL has made no secret of their desire to get more involved in <br />hotel and restaurant operations to supplement their ski operations &nbsp; <br />income. &nbsp;Vail already owns hotels at Keystone and Beaver Creek. &nbsp;This <br />fall, Vail bought the &quot;Breckenridge Hilton&quot; and &quot;The Lodge at Vail&quot;. <br /></p><p>i. &nbsp;SKI COLORADO! &nbsp;- &nbsp;KEYSTONE and LOVELAND both opened for skiing on <br />Friday, 17 October. &nbsp;This is the 2nd year in a row that the two areas <br />opened on the same date. &nbsp;One or the other has been the first ski area <br />in Colorado to open for over 20 years. <br /></p><p>j. &nbsp;MAGIC MOUNTAIN (VT) &nbsp;- &nbsp;Closed since 1990, this area apparently <br />will open this season on a limited basis - one lift, no snowmaking, <br />weekends only. &nbsp; &nbsp;ROUND TOP (VT) &nbsp;- &nbsp;Closed since 1983, may re-open <br />next season. <br /></p><p>4. &nbsp;LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP <br /></p><p>a. &nbsp;HOLIMONT, in Ellicottville, NY, (western NY state near the HOLIDAY <br />VALLEY ski area) is on our list of &quot;Lost&quot; (closed) ski areas. &nbsp; <br />However, this summer two loyal TCS readers (RYAN &amp; KEVIN) reported <br />that this ski area is not closed. &nbsp;It is privately owned, for members <br />only, but is open to the public during the week. &nbsp;It has 600 ft of <br />vertical, 6 chairlifts, two surface lifts, and 100% snowmaking. &nbsp;Thx. <br /></p><p>b. &nbsp;WESTFORD, MA &nbsp;- &nbsp;Lots of folks (including our own stockbroker) <br />remember a small rope tow area just north of I-495. &nbsp;No one can <br />remember the name of the area but everyone knows that it&rsquo;s just down <br />the road from the Drews Apple Farm roadside stand! <br /></p><p>c. &nbsp;LOST SKI AREAS OF MT HOOD &nbsp;- &nbsp;This is the subject of a book we <br />recently received. &nbsp;It came from loyal TCS reader Jan-Erik (OR), he of <br />frequent skier fame. &nbsp;Jan-Erik found the book in a Portland area used <br />book store and was kind enough to buy it and mail it to us BEFORE we <br />paid him for it. &nbsp;Thank you. &nbsp;What a neat concept. <br /></p><p>We love to look thru used book stores for books on ski areas. &nbsp;But it <br />will take us quite a while to get to every used book store in the <br />country. &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;So if you guys could help us by looking for ski books, <br />we would appreciate it. &nbsp;Now don't go buying just any book on ski <br />areas. &nbsp;We have most of the &quot;America&rsquo;s Ski Book&quot;, &quot;Skier&rsquo;s Digest&quot;, &nbsp; <br />and &quot;Encyclopedia of Skiing&quot; series. &nbsp;But if you find a regional ski <br />area book such as the &quot;Ski Areas of New York&quot; (1962), grab it and we <br />promise to pay you for it. &nbsp;If you&rsquo;re not sure about a title, give us <br />a jingle. <br /></p><p>5. &nbsp;TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP <br /></p><p>a. &nbsp;THE BIG GUYS - A few readers asked which ski areas are owned by <br />which conglomerates and one person said who or what is &quot;Booth Creek&quot;? <br /></p><p>1) &nbsp;VAIL RESORTS (formerly Vail Associates) &nbsp;built Vail and Beaver <br />Creek, then bought Arrowhead and merged it with Beaver Creek. &nbsp;Ralston <br />owned Keystone and then bought A-Basin and Breckenridge. &nbsp;Vail bought <br />Ralston, so now has 4 resorts, having sold A-Basin. <br /></p><p>2) &nbsp;American Skiing Company (ASC) was formed by a merger of the LBO <br />and S-K-I Inc resorts. &nbsp;After selling off Waterville and Cranmore, ASC <br />owned Sunday River, 1/2 of Sugarloaf, Attitash, Killington, Mt. Snow, <br />Haystack, and Sugarbush. &nbsp;Last year they added Pico. &nbsp;This year they <br />bought Wolf Mtn (UT) and renamed it &quot;The Canyons&quot;. &nbsp;Then they bought <br />Steamboat and Heavenly Valley. &nbsp;Total is 11 ski areas. <br /></p><p>3) &nbsp;INTRAWEST &nbsp;- &nbsp;Started as a commercial land developer. &nbsp;Built the <br />Whistler Village in BC and the adjacent Blackcomb ski area. &nbsp;Then <br />started adding ski areas: &nbsp;Panorama (BC), &nbsp;Tremblant (PQ), &nbsp;Stratton <br />(VT), &nbsp;Snowshoe (WV), &nbsp;and 1/3 of Mammoth Mtn (CA). &nbsp;This spring they <br />bought Whistler (BC) and Copper Mtn (CO) and they recently acquired <br />Mt. Ste. Marie (PQ). &nbsp;Intrawest buys areas that have a large real <br />estate potential, particularly for a base village. &nbsp;They are partners <br />with Keystone (a major competitor) in building the River Run Village <br />at Keystone. &nbsp; The total is 10 ski areas. <br /></p><p>4) &nbsp;BOOTH CREEK SKI HOLDINGS &nbsp;- &nbsp;Was formed by George Gillett and his <br />two sons. &nbsp;Gillett was former owner of Vail but lost it when his meat <br />packing business and TV stations became overleveraged. &nbsp;Booth Creek <br />bought Northstar, Sierra-at-Tahoe, and Bear Mt, in CA, then Cranmore <br />and Waterville in NH, The Pass (4 ski areas on Snoqualmie Pass), WA, <br />and Grand Targhee, WY. &nbsp;This summer they bought Loon (NH). &nbsp;Total = 10 <br /></p><p>Now you might wonder where a man who declared bankruptcy gets his <br />money to buy ski areas. &nbsp;Good question. &nbsp;When Apollo bought Vail, they <br />kept Gillett on as a consultant at $1 mill per year. &nbsp;Perhaps his sons <br />owned Vail stock and made a killing. &nbsp;But basically he borrows the <br />money and, in our opinion, one bad snow year will - once again - <br />crumble his house of snow blocks. &nbsp; <br /></p><p>Note: &nbsp;Other conglomerates are: &nbsp;ASPEN (4 areas), and BOYNE (5) <br /></p><p>b. &nbsp;SINGLE CHAIRS &nbsp;- &nbsp;Several readers have asked how many are still <br />standing/operating. &nbsp;We have always listed 5, and here is an update: <br /></p><p>1) &nbsp;MAD RIVER GLEN, VT &nbsp;- &nbsp;Oldest operating single (1947). <br /></p><p>2) &nbsp;KRATKA RIDGE (Snowcrest), CA &nbsp;- &nbsp;2nd oldest operating (1950). <br /></p><p>3) &nbsp;MT EYAK, AK &nbsp;- &nbsp;Moved here from the old (1947) chair #2 at ASPEN. <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Guidebooks show a triple at Eyak, now. &nbsp;The Single may be SBNO. &nbsp; <br /></p><p>4) &nbsp;PINE CREEK, WY &nbsp;- &nbsp;Moved here from BRIGHTON, UT in 1974. &nbsp;One &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;reader says there is no single at Pine Creek now. &nbsp;Unresolved. <br /></p><p>5) &nbsp;EAGLE ROCK, WY &nbsp;- &nbsp;Was listed in guide books for many years, but a <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;reader says the area is closed and the lifts have been removed. <br /></p><p>c. &nbsp;CROSSING LIFTS &nbsp;- &nbsp;We should like to point out that the only &nbsp; <br />&quot;crossing lifts&quot; we keep track of are &quot;chairlifts&quot; crossing <br />&quot;chairlifts&quot;. &nbsp;We assume that gondolas and trams routinely cross all <br />kinds of lifts and that surface lifts are routinely crossed by chairs, <br />gondolas, trams, and probably blimps. <br /></p><p>In the last update of &quot;crossing lifts&quot; we used the carefully chosen <br />phrase &quot;we couldn&rsquo;t find evidence of crossing lifts at that ski area&quot; <br />to both dismiss crackpot theories and cases where we didn&rsquo;t have a <br />trail map to verify. &nbsp;OBER GATLINBURG was one of the latter cases and <br />KEVIN (GA) was kind enough to send us a recent trail map which does <br />indeed show 2 crossing quad chairlifts. &nbsp;Thank you, Kevin. <br /></p><p>Also: SUGARLOAF (ME) has 2 quad chairlifts that cross. Thx Mike &amp; Chip <br /></p><p>d. &nbsp;SNEAKY TRIVIA ANSWER - &quot;QMC&quot;, as in the JUNE MTN (CA) QMC Tram, <br />stands for &quot;Quad Mono-Cable&quot;. &nbsp;?? &nbsp;Looked like a normal gondola to us. <br /></p><p>6. &nbsp;BUILDER'S EMPORIUM &nbsp;- &nbsp;In this regular feature we discuss lifts, <br />groomers, skis, bindings, boots, poles, even lift tickets. <br /></p><p>a. &nbsp;CIRCUS CIRCUS TRAM - We reported that this gondola had been moved <br />to a water theme park in Denver. &nbsp;We wondered what its role was at <br />Circus Circus, but no one knew. &nbsp;Fortunately, trivia is everywhere. &nbsp; <br />While thumbing thru a guide book to Las Vegas, we found the gondola on <br />a picture of the Circus Circus hotel. &nbsp;It ran on top of the casino <br />from the street (strip) side back to the big pink dome which houses <br />their amusement park, &quot;Grand Slam Canyon&quot;. &nbsp;There was a sign above the <br />stairs to the gondola which read &quot;Grand Slam Tram&quot;. <br /></p><p>A Denver field agent reported that the configuration at &quot;Waterworld&quot; <br />is as follows. &nbsp;Two groups of four gondola cars each, Fixed Grip, with <br />simultaneous loading at both ends - basically a tram like operation. <br /></p><p>b. &nbsp;PULSE GONDOLA &nbsp;- &nbsp;This year the upper gondola and upper tram <br />terminals at SQUAW VALLEY will be connected by a &quot;pulse gondola&quot;. &nbsp;A <br />few readers wondered what that is. &nbsp;We didn&rsquo;t know and so consulted &nbsp; <br />our friends at Doppelmayr. <br /></p><p>A pulse gondola is a fixed-grip gondola whose cars travel in groups <br />(of one or more). &nbsp;While cars are loading at one end, they are also <br />loading at the other end. &nbsp;Plus there are cars in between which have <br />to stop midroute during loading. &nbsp;The cars always travel in the same <br />direction (not jigback). &nbsp;After a car loads and departs one station, <br />it has to stop while the next car or group of cars is being loaded <br />(something like the loading of a Ferris wheel). &nbsp;The term &quot;pulse&quot; <br />comes from the continual stopping and starting of the system. <br /></p><p>This type of gondola system is used where gondola cars are desired but <br />speed and capacity aren&rsquo;t important. &nbsp;Like for transporting ski and <br />foot passengers between two terminals at Squaw - and remember that the <br />upper part of Squaw is open in the summer, also. <br /></p><p>7. &nbsp;POTPOURRI <br /></p><p>a. &nbsp;WRONG, FUNNY, OR ODD <br /></p><p>We have been reading a book about Buddy Werner, famous ski racer from <br />Steamboat Springs. &nbsp;The author, also from Steamboat, made a couple of <br />gaffes. &nbsp;He kept referring to VAIL as VAIL PASS. &nbsp;Vail has never been <br />called &quot;Vail Pass&quot; and is located several miles from the actual pass. <br /></p><p>Also, when he referred to a CAT TRACK in a race course the author used <br />a footnote to point out that &quot;cat tracks are bulldozed at oblique <br />angles into race courses to make them more difficult&quot;!! &nbsp;Really? &nbsp; <br />SNEAKY TRIVIA: &nbsp;What is a &quot;cat track&quot;, and where does it get its name? <br /></p><p>b. &nbsp;WHAT WE THINK &nbsp;- &nbsp;We find that when our favorite sports team is <br />eliminated from the playoffs, that rather than root for another team, <br />we root AGAINST some other (hated) team. &nbsp;Do you do that? &nbsp;If so, <br />maybe you can relate to some of the teams we root against and why: <br />[Notre Dame and the Yankees are a given] &nbsp;Atlanta Braves - because of <br />Ted and Jane and that horrible tomahawk chop; &nbsp; Dallas Cowboys <br />(&quot;Columbia&rsquo;s&quot; team) - owner Jerry Jones; &nbsp;Oakland - owner Al Davis; &nbsp; <br />Florida - coach Spurrier (we prefer Bowden); &nbsp;and (a surprise) North <br />Carolina - because of Dean Smith. &nbsp;Why do we dislike such a respected <br />coach? &nbsp;Because he invented the four corner offense - the STALL game - <br />and single-handedly forced the introduction of the shot clock into &nbsp; <br />college basketball. &nbsp;A dubious pair of &quot;contributions&quot; to the game. <br /></p><p>c. &nbsp;DEMI MOORE - Did you folks all rush out to see &quot;GI Jane&quot; in order <br />to rescue dumdum&rsquo;s career? &nbsp;She made four flops (actually real bombs) <br />in a row &nbsp;[Now &amp; Then, The Scarlet Letter, Striptease, The Juror] and <br />some movie reviewers felt that she would need a hit from &quot;Ensign Jane&quot; <br />to revive her career. &nbsp;Last time we looked, box office receipts were <br />still under $50 mill. &nbsp;A mini-hit, like her hair. <br /></p><p>8. &nbsp;THE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LOST SKI AREAS OF NEW HAMPSHIRE <br /></p><p>On a recent trip to NH we once again went looking for lost ski areas - <br />with little success. &nbsp;The trees just grow up too fast. &nbsp;If we ever do <br />this again, we will make local inquiries first, rather than just drive <br />around aimlessly. <br /></p><p>We did manage to find lost &quot;Wolfeboro&quot;. &nbsp;Actually it isn&rsquo;t lost. &nbsp;The <br />ski area still operates as &quot;ABENAKI&quot;, operated by the Abenaki Outing <br />Club. &nbsp;It is located on Hiway 109, about 3 miles north of Wolfeboro. &nbsp; <br />It has about 200 feet of vertical, one rope tow, 5 trails, night <br />lighting, and an enclosed ice rink. <br /></p><p>No luck finding INTERVALE or TYROL even tho we knew &quot;exactly&quot; where <br />they were. &nbsp;No SPRUCE MTN either. &nbsp;BROOKLINE wasn&rsquo;t where the map <br />said, either, so we asked locally and did find it. &nbsp;The base lodge <br />exists (as a flea market), but no lifts. <br /></p><p>Along the way we did manage to visit several open ski areas we had <br />never seen before, including: &nbsp;Mt Cranmore, Black Mtn, King Pine, and <br />Temple. &nbsp;We were disappointed not to find any of the old skimobile <br />cars on display at Cranmore. &nbsp;Maybe at the ski museum at Cannon? <br />Note: &nbsp;TEMPLE MTN has a center-pole FG quad. &nbsp;(&quot;Borvig&quot;, says Joshua) <br /></p><p>On our return from NH we took a short tour of Summit County (CO) to <br />see some Fall color. &nbsp;Observed that the new HS Quad at Breck - Peak 8 <br />is nearing completion. &nbsp;Towers up and cable strung. &nbsp;The new HS Quad <br />next to the gondola at Keystone is not nearly as far along. &nbsp;Towers <br />were not in on 30 Sep. &nbsp;However, it was not due to be completed until <br />Thanksgiving and the parallel gondola works just fine. &nbsp;Keystone is <br />also adding a new beginner area with triple chair. <br /></p><p>9. &nbsp;EPILOG <br /></p><p>a. Please provide your name and city name when FIRST writing to TCS. </p><p>d. Due next: &nbsp;&quot;LOST.25&quot; &nbsp;in mid-November <br /></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; Cheers from The Colorado Skier &nbsp;(On permanent vacation) <br /></p><p>&quot;I am sitting in my office in shorts, with the windows open.&quot; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp;Spokesperson for Killington on 6 October 1997 <br /></p>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<strong>&nbsp;</strong> <p>&nbsp;</p><h3>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER</h3><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This is part of a series on SKI AREA TRIVIA. It is posted separately from our companion series on &quot;LOST SKI AREAS&quot;. Check 'em out.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><strong>THE COLORADO SKIER TRIVIA - EDITION #24 (7-22-97) </strong><p>&nbsp;</p><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS:</p><p>A. The TCS Web page address has changed slightly. Please adjust your bookmarks. The new URL is: http://www.nyx.net/~mwallace/TCS.ssi</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>B. A PUBLIC APOLOGY - Last issue we told you about &quot;Jimmy&quot;, our new found expert on the Lost Ski Areas of Wyoming. Jimmy was quite helpful in finding two &quot;new&quot; lost areas and helping us improve data on other areas. We chose to characterize his (and our own) intense interest in lost ski areas as an &quot;obsession&quot;. We thought that was amusing - Jimmy didn&rsquo;t. We apologize.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>C. We do wisecracks and little digs about TCS newsletter readers all the time. It&rsquo;s part of our attempt to entertain, as well as inform. We mean no harm to anyone. If you think we have stepped over the line, please let us know.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p align="center">&nbsp;</p><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>1. *** NEW *** TRIVIA QUESTIONS</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. How many U.S. PRESIDENTS were/are SKIERS, either before, during, or after their presidential terms? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. Which three (3) Canadian Provinces or Territories have the most operating ski areas?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. How many U.S. ski areas can you think of which share names with TREES (e.g., Aspen)?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. Which five ski-lift MANUFACTURERS have installed the most chairlifts in North America?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. NOSTALGIA QUESTION: We think of gondola capacity in terms of even numbers, i.e., 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 passenger cars. Name two (dead) ski area gondola systems which had 3, count them 3, passenger cars. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BONUS ONE: An EPONYM is &quot;the person for whom something is named or supposedly named.&quot; The &quot;Zamboni&quot; (ice resurfacing machine) is named after Frank Zamboni, its inventor. Many figure skating moves (e.g., &quot;axel&quot;, &quot;salchow&quot;) are named after their creators. What about the skiing realm? We doubt there was anyone named ski, boot, or pole; or slalom or sitzmark. The closest we can come is the POMA, named after its inventor, Jean Pomagalski. What SKIING-related &quot;eponyms&quot; can you think of?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BONUS TWO: Instant trivia: Who was the first host of the &quot;Tonight Show&quot;? Answer: Steve Allen. His show had two boy singers and two girl singers. At the time they were unknowns, but 3 of the 4 went on to become quite famous. Who are they? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BONUS THREE (regional trivia): After a freeway accident, after the vehicles have been moved off the roadway, drivers still slow down to admire the wrecks. Some traffic reporters call the resulting slowdown a &quot;gaper&rsquo;s block&quot;, others call it the &quot;curiosity factor&quot;. What is it called in your area?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p align="center">&nbsp;</p><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>2. TRIVIA 23 ANSWERS</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. How were the following folks involved with skiing or the ski industry? Sir Arnold Lunn, Dick Durrance, Roland Palmedo </p><p>ANSWERS: LUNN, an Englishman, had a life-long interest in the development of ski racing. He is credited with the creation of the Slalom race. DURRANCE - was the first great U.S. ski racer. He raced for Dartmouth, the U.S. racing team, and as a pro racer. He also assisted in the development of western ski areas. PALMEDO - was part of the Stowe management team and then developed the MAD RIVER GLEN (VT) ski area. He was also a ski organization administrator. </p><p>GUESSES: DAN (CA) - had the best answers. He provided 3 very formal quotes, obviously copied from some ski history book. Cute! JAY (NY) also knew all 3.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. Name the 4 BIGGEST ski area OWNERS in North America in terms of total &quot;skier days&quot; at their combined ski areas.</p><p>ANSWER: The big 4, in order, are VAIL RESORTS, INTRAWEST, ASC, and BOOTH CREEK. We would guess that the next two are BOYNE and ASPEN.</p><p>GUESSES: 12 readers took a stab at this one. Jay (VT), Kathy (CO), and Kevin (GA) knew or guessed the top 4. A couple more folks substituted Aspen for Booth Creek.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. At which SKI AREAS are the following ski runs? (easy!)</p><p>o Hump, Dromedary, Bactrian, Sphinx, King Tut</p><p>o Ambergris, Beluga, Blubber, Harpoon, Spout</p><p>ANSWER: CAMELBACK (PA), and WHALEBACK (NH). (We told you - easy!) </p><p>GUESSES: Joshua (VT), Marc (FL!), and Steve (MA) got all three.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. What is a &quot;porron&quot; and how does it relate to southwestern skiing?</p><p>ANSWER: A porron is a small glass pitcher/flask, filled with martinis by Ernie Blake, founder of TAOS. He stashed them under spruce trees on the slopes for use by his ski classes and selected guests. </p><p>GUESSES: Three folks (Rocket Joe, Els, Paul) knew this one and each had a different version of who the lucky imbibers were.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. NOSTALGIA QUESTION - There are 10 cable car/trams at U.S. ski areas. Only one state has two: HEAVENLY VALLEY, CA and SQUAW VALLEY, CA. WHERE are the other 8 CABLE CARS?</p><p>ANSWER: Alyeska, AK; Snowbird, UT; Big Sky, MT; Jackson Hole, WY; Sandia Peak, NM; Ober Gatlinburg, TN; Cannon Mtn, NH; and Jay Peak, VT. [Note: The &quot;QMC Tram&quot; at June Mtn, CA operates like a gondola.] {SNEAKY TRIVIA: What does &quot;QMC&quot; stand for?}</p><p>GUESSES: Only one loyal reader (Kathy, who works for Doppelmayr) knew all 8. 3 more folks knew 7 of 8, each missing a different tram.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BONUS ONE: (open question) Which U.S. ski areas have CHAIRLIFTS which CROSS? [Our preliminary list includes: ATTITASH, NH; COPPER MOUNTAIN, CO; LOVELAND, CO; and HEAVENLY VALLEY, CA]</p><p>ANSWER/GUESSES: Readers suggested: Squaw Valley, CA; Mt Baker, WA; Breckenridge, CO; Jackson Hole, WY; Park City, UT; Blackcomb, BC; and Blue Knob, PA. We were unable to verify any crossing chairs at Mt Snow, Mammoth, Vail, Gatlinburg, Hunter, Grand Targhee, or Bear Mtn.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BONUS TWO: (OPEN QUESTION): Which ski areas carry more than one name? [Preliminary list: ARAPAHOE BASIN is A-Basin or The Basin; MT REBA is Bear Valley; MT Mansfield is STOWE; etc.]</p><p>ANSWER/GUESSES: Sometimes neat sounding questions fall flat. :-( Just a few suggestions: Whiteface/Lake Placid, Jackson Hole/Teton Village; Incline/Diamond Peak; Haystack/The Stack.</p><p>There were also some derogatory nicknames like: &quot;K-Mart&quot; for Killington and &quot;Iceface&quot; for Whiteface. </p><p>FWIW, &quot;reba&quot; is an anagram for &quot;bear&quot;. Also for &quot;bare&quot;. There used to be bumper stickers (we have one) reading &quot;SKI BEAR&quot; which were, of course, re-arranged to read &quot;SKI BARE&quot;. In 1968, the BEAR brochure had a &quot;Ski Bare&quot; cover with a pic of a nude female skier, facing away, with a bush, er uh, a strategic tree branch at hip level. The most interesting (!) aspect of the picture was that the skier was using long thongs (no, for runaway straps, you pervert!). </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BONUS THREE (regional trivia): The stretch of pavement to the right of the right-most highway lane is usually called the &quot;shoulder&quot;, but not always (not in New England). What is it called in your region?</p><p>ANSWER/GUESSES: In New England it is called the &quot;breakdown lane&quot;. Two folks (from NH and OH) suggested &quot;berm&quot;. Someone suggested &quot;verge&quot; (which means border or margin). Both of those are new ones for us but the dictionary definitions work.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p align="center">&nbsp;</p><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>3. TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. SNEAKY TRIVIA ANSWER - The TV PI named &quot;David Addison&quot;:</p><p>SHOW: Moonlighting ACTOR: Bruce Willis AGENCY: Blue Moon BOSS: Maddie Hayes, played by Cybill Sheperd Seven folks answered this one. Many had all the correct answers with the most common mistake being calling the detective agency &quot;Moonlighting&quot;.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. SNEAKY TRIVIA ANSWER - Bug Bunny&rsquo;s favorite beach is PISMO BEACH, in Northern Calif. DEBBIE (CA) and SCOT (VT) knew this one.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. SNEAKY TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP - We questioned why the &quot;Rossignol&quot; (nightingale) family would use a rooster as their symbol. Several folks said that the rooster was either the symbol of France, or the symbol of French national athletic teams. Off to the library - Only one of 4 books describing the rooster as a &quot;symbol&quot; mentioned France - &quot;The rooster is the symbol of France.&quot; - no explanation of why or when. BTW, the book also said that the rooster is the symbol of the U.S. Democrat party. (?) Have to check that out at the next election!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. Two readers reported that there is a MINE on Aspen Mtn. Yes. It is called the &quot;Compromise Mine&quot; and is located above Little Nell near </p><p>&quot;Elevator Shaft&quot;. It first appeared on 1995/96 trail maps.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. ODD TRAIL MAPS - The 1980 POWDERHORN (CO) brochure has an aerial photo of the ski area - printed backwards. The 1990 brochure, showing summer activities, has a pic of a fly fisherman - who is unmistakably GREG LEMOND! BTW, COS has a new auto race track open this year. At a recent minor race, Greg LeMond was a driver.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p align="center">&nbsp;</p><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>4. LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. ROUND TOP (VT) is now the most asked about lost ski area, surpassing Arapahoe East and Meadow Mountain in Colo. Why haven&rsquo;t we covered Round Top? Because we do the areas in alphabetical order and just haven&rsquo;t got there yet. (Patience!) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. HIGH MEADOWS (Roaring Gap, NC) - Reader ANDY (GA) skied at this lost area back in 68 and 69. We have it operating from 1967 to 1980. A vertical drop of 80 ft with 2 rope tows. However, Andy remembers a chairlift. ?? What year, Andy?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. MAGIC MOUNTAIN and ROUND TOP, VT - Anyone heard any recent news about either of these two areas re-opening?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. SPRUCE PEAK, VT - New reader SCOT (VT) suggests that this area was once independent. Everything we have read indicates that Spruce Peak was built by Mt Mansfield Corp as part of STOWE. Scot tries another one: The &quot;Sunrise Mountain&quot; portion of Killington was once a separate ski area. ??? It first appeared on Big K maps in 1982. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. HUSKY HILL, CT - MARK (no city) - mentioned this rope tow area on the UCONN campus (Storrs, CT). New to us, Mark - what years?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Note: Please feel free to ask about any lost ski area at any time.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p align="center">&nbsp;</p><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>5. SKI AREA NEWS - CONTINUED</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. MAMMOTH MOUNTAIN, CA - Update - 3 new HS quads. One is replacing chair #6 and the T-bar. Another is replacing chair #2, a FG quad. The 3rd will replace the #3 double which is probably the oldest remaining chair on the mountain (a 1960 Riblet center-pole double). You can still occasionally find a promotional pic (of dubious worth) of chair 3, looking down from the top, which shows a long comma-shaped line of skiers waiting to board. (Apparently before the &quot;maze&quot; was invented!) The #5 double will be upgraded to a triple, using parts from #18, which is being removed. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. SQUAW VALLEY, CA - Will replace (in 1998) their current (1983) gondola with what will be the first of the new two-cable gondolas in the U.S. It will have 30-passenger cars. Clues: The old gondola is listed for sale in a ski trade magazine. The same mag has an ad by GARAVENTA touting the new &quot;Funitel&quot; at Squaw. The word &quot;funitel&quot; comes from &quot;FUNIcular&quot;, and &quot;TELepherique&quot;. However, the new lift is in no way a funicular.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. WOLF MOUNTAIN, UT - Now called &quot;THE CANYONS&quot; by new owner, ASC, has been given a complete makeover. There will be a new Poma 8 place gondola, 3 HS Quads, 2 FG quads, new terrain, more snowmaking, and other improvements. Some old chairs will be replaced or removed. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. BRECKENRIDGE, CO - Is adding two Poma HS quads. One will replace the old, old (1965) #2 double chair on Peak 8, actually rising from the Peak 8 base to a point north of the &quot;Super Chair&quot;. The other will replace Chair B on Peak 9. Also an increase in snowmaking. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. KEYSTONE, CO - Is adding a new HS Quad running up Keystone Mtn, parallel with Gondola #1 (Skyway).</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>f. BEAVER CREEK, CO - Is replacing double chair #3 with a HS quad.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>g. WATERVILLE VALLEY, NH - Is replacing the &quot;Valley Run&quot; double and triple with a Doppelmayr HS Quad. Also adding snowmaking to &quot;Stillness&quot; and &quot;Lower Bobby&rsquo;s&quot; runs, to obtain 100% snowmaking.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>h. ASPEN, CO - Lift ticket price next season will be $59, traditionally the highest in the industry.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i. VAIL - Had hoped to start on the Cat III &quot;Chris Berman&quot; (back, back, back) bowls expansion this summer. However, due to last minute tree-hugger complaints concerning Lynx habitat, the serious building will start next summer. This summer Vail will improve the &quot;Lynx&quot; habitat for both the animal, and its prey, the Snowshoe Hare. Note that the last time a Lynx was spotted in the Vail vicinity was 1971.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>j. ADAM&rsquo;S RIB, CO - Fred Kummer has been buying land and trying to build this large ski area, west of Beaver Creek, since 1970, spending millions of dollars in the process. Locals were against the idea and have been fighting him on size and the filling in of wetlands. Recently he withdraw his application and presumably has given up the attempt. Is he out all of the money? Nope. He can subdivide the land into 35 acre ranchettes with no zoning restrictions or permits required. Near Beaver Creek? There&rsquo;s some money to be made!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>k. LATE CLOSINGS - Here are the closing dates for the late spring and summer ski season. Data from the Internet, not phone calls.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Timberline - 7 Sep </p><p>Blackcomb - 4 August</p><p>A-Basin - 6 July </p><p>Mt Bachelor - 2 July</p><p>Killington - 22 June </p><p>Mammoth - 1 June</p><p>Squaw Valley - 26 May </p><p>Breckenridge - 26 May </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>l. A-BASIN - Poor little A-Basin. They were odd man out after the Vail Associates/Ralcorp merger. The Government ordered A-Basin sold by Vail Resorts to maintain competition for front range skiers. The sale was to be completed by 1 June, but hasn&rsquo;t happened. A-Basin management declared that they would need $500,000 to create a ski brochure, create a ski show booth, and to create a web site, all to allow them to compete as an independent ski area. They asked current owner/future competitor VAIL for the money. Vail gave them $50K.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>m. COLORADO SKI AREAS - set an all-time record for number of skier days in the 96-97 season. It was a pretty good snow year.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p align="center">&nbsp;</p><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>6. BUILDERS EMPORIUM</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. OLD, OLDER, OLDEST - When discussing the removal of the old (1963) gondola at PARK CITY, we mentioned other surviving old gondolas. PAT (TX) subtly asked about the age of the APACHE (NM) gondola. Good point. It dates from 1962 which makes it older than all the other still active gondolas except SUGAR BOWL (CA), and WILDCAT (NH).</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. T-BARS - New reader RICHARD, who works for a ski travel company in Austria, expressed surprise that there are only 3 T-bars in all of Colorado. Well, actually there are 5, see below. However, contrast that with Megeve and Alpe d&rsquo;Huez in France which each have more than 30 T-bars and you can see the reason for surprise.</p><p>We mentioned the 3 T-bars at SKI COOPER, BRECKENRIDGE, and CRESTED BUTTE. Two readers pointed out that the relatively new &quot;High Lift&quot; at C.B. is also a T-bar. True. It was built by Doppelmayr in 1991. It is a reel type. The Breck T-bar, also by Dopp, is a reel type. Other readers mentioned that there is a T-bar in the back bowls of VAIL. There are 3 access &quot;surface lifts&quot; in or around China Bowl and one (we don&rsquo;t know which one) is a T-bar. That makes 5, total, in CO. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. The WATER WORLD water park in suburban Denver, has added a GONDOLA to connect upper and lower sections of the park. The gondola, made by YAN (!), was obtained from CIRCUS CIRCUS in Las Vegas. It used to run from the front of the casino back to the Grand Slam amusement park under the pink dome. It was called the &quot;Grand Slam Tram&quot;.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. SINGLE! - A reader asked &quot;How many ski areas once had single chairs&quot;? This reminds us of our favorite line from &quot;Terminator 2&quot;. The kid, John, is on lookout, watching for cops. As he watches, 50 squad cars, riot vans, SWAT teams, paddy wagons, and a helicopter arrive. John: &quot;The cops are here!&quot; &quot;How many&quot;, says Arnold. &quot;Looks like ALL OF THEM&quot;, replies John. (!)</p><p>So, how many ski areas had single chairs? ALL OF THEM! Well, not really. Actually, all of the decent sized ski areas built before about 1950, had single chairs. We have started a list (why not) and it currently stands at about 28. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. DEEP FREEZE - Last year a Doppelmayr cable car was built at BIG SKY, MT. When excavation was started for the lower terminal, it was discovered that the underlying terrain was actually a glacier. Core samples revealed rock, then mixed rock and ice, and then a solid ice core. The geologic term for this phenomenon is &quot;ice-cored rock glacier&quot;. The lower terminal had to be completely redesigned and moved. Engineers determined that the rate of downhill movement for the lower terminal would equal the rate of stretch for the cable and therefore the cable would never have to be re-spliced. Sure!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p align="center">&nbsp;</p><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>7. POTPOURRI</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. DUMB - We received a letter from a &quot;Matchmaker&quot; in COS which opened thusly: &quot;We know you&rsquo;re not desperate.... In fact, if you&rsquo;re on our mailing list you&rsquo;re probably quite a catch!&quot; Some fancy mailing list. The envelope was addressed to &quot;Resident&quot;!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. TAME AMERICA - Some of you are probably allowing your young daughters to go see the movie &quot;Wild America&quot; starring Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Just remember that this is the story of Marty Stouffer, the &quot;wild&quot; animal photographer who shot &quot;realistic&quot; wild animal scenes in private zoos and used tame animals in the field. His PBS TV show was canceled once PBS found out about the chicanery. (But the kid is sure cute!)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. CON-AIR - In the previews of this flick you all saw the C-123 knock off the end of the giant neon guitar at the Hard Rock Cafe in Las Vegas. Didn&rsquo;t happen. ;-) In the movie you can clearly see that the &quot;fake&quot; guitar is on the Strip next to Circus Circus. Come on! The real guitar is on Paradise Rd, not on the Strip. As for the crash. Yes, the plane really did crash into the Sands Hotel, which had just closed a few weeks before the filming. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. OFF-TRACK - Former racing legend and Indy 500 announcer Bobby Unser has become an embarrassment. Last winter he and a friend drove two snowmobiles into a wilderness area in Southern Colorado. Both vehicles got stuck in deep snow. As the two men walked out of the wilderness area they were hit by a life threatening snowstorm. They eventually walked to a cabin and called for help.</p><p>Because of the publicity (famous guy caught in blizzard) the Forest Service investigated and found both vehicles IN the wilderness area where motorized vehicles are not allowed. Unser was issued a ticket. He took the case to Federal court, claiming &quot;extenuating circumstances&quot; (like, he got caught!). He said that the wilderness boundaries were not well-marked. The judge cleverly replied that had he properly carried a MAP (plus survival gear), then the situation might not have been life threatening. Touche&rsquo;! Unser was fined $80 (The maximum fine is $500.) He is taking the case to a higher court, wasting more taxpayer money. What a maroon! </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p align="center">&nbsp;</p><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>8. FROM THE MAILBAG</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. Two folks wrote to complain about our not counting the old &quot;bubble chairs&quot; at MT SNOW as &quot;gondolas&quot;. They were &quot;skis-on gondolas&quot;. Ski poles went in a quiver on the outside. The cars were detachable. After you sat, clamshell doors closed around you - much more elaborate than a typical &quot;covered chair&quot;. [One reader points out that without ski poles there was ample opportunity for &quot;hanky panky&quot; in the private (two passenger) interiors.] Okay, there is plenty of room in our world for &quot;non-standard&quot; ski lifts. These were a &quot;type&quot; of gondola. BTW they had the same kind and brand of gondola at BEECH MTN, NC. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. PICKY, PICKY - We had a trivia question about trams and one reader said he didn&rsquo;t remember the difference between trams and gondolas. So we gave a very SIMPLISTIC definition of the two types and naturally got hundreds of E-Mails back, about the &quot;exceptions&quot;. Hey guys, easy. We covered all that stuff months ago. Yes, trams don&rsquo;t have to have two cars. And trams can use gondola cars and even chairlifts rather than big cabins. Also there are many different types of gondolas. Maybe in a few months we will go over that all again. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. STUFFED - We like one reader&rsquo;s explanation of the &quot;capacity&quot; of a new &quot;30 passenger&quot; gondola in Europe. He says they stuffed people into the gondola car until the door wouldn&rsquo;t close, then the loader jerked two people out, the door closed and off it went! (Sounds like the Japanese train system!) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. FUNICULARS - We have received many more comments on our essay on the reasons why there are more funiculars and cable cars in Europe than in the U.S. Fun stuff. We appreciate your interest. But now it&rsquo;s time to move on to the next trivial subject. [Towards the end there was a lot of stuff about geology. Remind us to tell you some day about our impressive formal geology training!]</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. PRIORITIES - After our very detailed description of the lift types at LOVELAND, one reader asked: &quot;How was the skiing?&quot; Skiing? ;-)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>f. THE J&rsquo;S HAVE IT - Over the years, many readers have asked about &quot;J-bars&quot;. A J-bar is sort of one-half of a T-bar, or more accurately, an &quot;L-bar&quot;. It was introduced (by Fred Pabst) in Wausau, WI in 1936. There were many more (100?) J-bars around the country and some still operate. The original bunny lift at Crested Butte was a J-bar. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>g. BALLHOOTER - This strange name is used at both SNOWSHOE, WV and KEYSTONE, CO. We looked it up on an old Keystone trail map (reader suggestion) and found: &quot;&lsquo;Ball Hooter&rsquo; is a logger who slides fallen timber down the mountain, clearing a steep narrow trail.&quot; Cool. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>h. AS THE LIFTS TURN - A reader expressed surprise that the BRECK T-bar really does change direction in mid-trip. Why, he queries? Ridge lines, we reply. Chairlifts can cover undulating terrain by using different height towers. However, a surface lift has to follow a flat (inclined) surface. So the Breck T heads NW up one ridge and then turns west up another. The new &quot;Snowflake&quot; access chair at Breck also turns. Here the path is political, not physical. The lift has to skirt some condos and a winter training center before turning to reach its desired destination. Reader BRUNO says that the poles, pulleys, and cables at the turning point do some wondrous things! We couldn&rsquo;t begin to draw a picture. Go see it. </p><p>Reader BILL (CA) points out that the deceased gondola at PARK CITY (UT) also turns a corner half way up.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i. MT KATAHDIN - Reader SCOTT (VT) took exception to our calling this huge Maine mountain &quot;flat and featureless&quot;. He wonders if we have ever seen it or if we were deliberately inciting flaming. Yes we have seen it but we have never climbed it. We never encourage flaming. It just happens due to careless writing. :-) It is probably a very nice, rugged mountain. We just think that it looks boring in calendar pictures.</p><hr /><p>9. EPILOG</p><p>a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR first and last name) in your first E-Mail to TCS. Why? So we don&rsquo;t get annoyed.</p><p>Cheers from THE COLORADO SKIER (who dat?)</p><em><p>&quot;Write if you get work ..... and hang by your thumbs.&quot; <em>Bob &amp; Ray</em></p></em>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<strong>&nbsp;</strong> <h3 align="center">LOST &quot;COLORADO&quot; SKI AREAS - EDITION 24 <p>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER</p><p>Researching &quot;lost&quot; ski areas is the hobby of THE COLORADO SKIER. We have reported our findings on COLORADO, the SOUTHEAST, NEW HAMPSHIRE, and are now doing VERMONT and WYOMING. Is your state next?</p><p>For more info on skiing and ski areas, check out our separately posted companion articles entitled: &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - TRIVIA&quot;, &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - SKI NEWS&quot;, and &quot;THE TCS LISTS&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p align="center">LOST &quot;COLORADO&quot; SKI AREAS - EDITION #24 (5-30-97)</p><p>&nbsp;EDITOR'S REMARKS: </p><p>A. Readers have recently provided several suggestions for future trivia questions. There are two we will definitely use and we are considering some others. Thanks.</p><p>B. Some of you are probably wondering why we haven&rsquo;t used your specific trivia question. There are 4 probable reasons:</p><p>1) Excellent Question - We just haven&rsquo;t found room yet.</p><p>2) Very Good Question - but we have no clue as to the answer.</p><p>3) Good Question-but too difficult for our audience. :-)</p><p>4) That&rsquo;s the dumbest question we&rsquo;ve ever read!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>[Note: Most of you are in Category 1. ;-) ]</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>C. Thanks to RYAN (Fredonia, NY) for contributing several trail maps (many in NY and PA) to our collection. We were able to trade him some old KEYSTONE maps he was interested in.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>D. Whoops! Readers caught us in two factual errors in the last issue. See our corrections in Section 3, Trivia Follow-up. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>E. Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>F. We&rsquo;ve started to put old newsletters onto our web page. So far just a few &quot;Lost&quot; editions. Check &lsquo;em out at: http://www.nyx.net/~mwallace/TCS.html </p><p>&nbsp;</p></h3><hr /><strong><p>1A. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF VERMONT</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Here is the info on the 10 VERMONT ski areas we listed last time.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>{Copyright 1997, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.}</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>GLEN ELLEN (Waitsfield), [name change/merger], Opened in 1963. Shared lift tickets with SUGARBUSH in 1978. Name changed to SUGARBUSH NORTH (still open) in 1979. Sometimes called MOUNT ELLEN.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 2600 ft Top: 4083 Base: 1450</p><p>Lifts: 4 double chairs, T-bar (1979)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>GOODRICH (Northfield), [very obscure], Mid-60&rsquo;s. Probably named after &quot;Arthur Goodrich&quot; who was active with the Northfield Outing Club in the 40&rsquo;s. Possibly a sometime name for NORWICH UNIVERSITY ski area.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 600 ft Lifts: T-bar, rope tow </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>HARD'ACK SKI SLOPES (St. Albans), [very obscure], Located on eastern slope of Aldis Hill. References from 1940 to 1978.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 420 ft Lifts: rope tow night skiing</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>HAYSTACK (Wilmington), [&quot;merger&quot;], Opened in 1964. Located near but not adjacent to MT SNOW. Closed during the 82/83 and 83/84 seasons. MT SNOW operated the area during the 92/93 and 93/94 seasons and now owns the area (still called HAYSTACK). </p><p>Vertical Drop: 1400 ft Top: 3200 Base: 1800</p><p>Lifts: 3 triple chairs, 2 double chairs, 1 T-bar</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>HIGH POND (Brandon), [closed], Located 6 miles southwest of Brandon on a gravel road. Operated from around 1960 to 1978.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 400 ft Top: 1400 Base: 1000</p><p>Lifts: T-bar, 3 rope tows 60 acres</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>HOGBACK MOUNTAIN (Marlboro), [closed], (Sometimes called just &quot;HOGBACK&quot;) Located 4 miles west of Marlboro on Hiway 9. Opened in 1946. Closed in 1986. Lifts still visible in 1996.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 500 ft Top: 2400 Base: 1900</p><p>Lifts: 4 T-bars 50 acres</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>JOHNSON COLLEGE SKI HILL (Johnson), [closed], Operated by the college's &quot;recreational facilities management program&quot;. Limited to local residents. {1977} </p><p>Vertical Drop: 400 ft Top: 1000 Base: 600 </p><p>Lifts: 1 rope tow</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>JUDGEMENT RIDGE (Vershire), [very obscure], Located off Hiway 113. Highway map references only, late 60&rsquo;s.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>LATCHIS HOTEL SKI SLOPE (Brattleboro), [very obscure], Located 1 mile south of the downtown hotel on US 5. {1949}</p><p>Vertical Drop: 225 ft Base: 700 night skiing</p><p>Lifts: rope tow small jump</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>LIVING MEMORIAL PARK (Brattleboro), [obscure], Located west of downtown Brattleboro off VT 9. Small, town-run area. 1 novice trail. According to a news article: Rotary Club installed a rope tow in 1955. The Town replaced the rope with a T-bar in 1965. Run by town until 1995. No snowmaking. Group trying to re-open in 1997.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 204 ft Base: 230</p><p>Lifts: 1 T-bar night skiing</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Comments from Readers: JAMES (UVM) says HARD&rsquo;ACK operated during the 96/97 season. (Anyone know why the strange spelling?)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Several folks said HAYSTACK isn&rsquo;t lost. OK, let&rsquo;s run a test. An area is lost if folks don&rsquo;t remember it. Ask a casual skier if they remember CARINTHIA - NO. (It&rsquo;s now part of Mt Snow) Ask if they remember GLEN ELLEN - NO. (It became Sugarbush North) Ask if they remember HAYSTACK - YES. It&rsquo;s right there next to Mt Snow, using the same old name, and still open. You win. Haystack is not lost. :-)</p><p>&nbsp;</p></strong><hr /><strong><p>1B. Who remembers these Lost VERMONT Ski Areas?</p><ul><li>Lord&rsquo;s Hill </li><li>Lybrand </li><li>Lyndon Outing Club </li><li>Madonna Mountain </li><li>Magic Mountain </li><li>Marshall Hill </li><li>Merry Hill Lodge </li><li>Mountain Top Club </li><li>Mt Aelous </li><li>Mt Hunger</li></ul><p>&nbsp;</p></strong><hr /><strong><p>1C. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF WYOMING</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Here is the info on the 10 WYOMING ski areas we listed last time.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>{Copyright 1997, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.}</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>LIBBY CREEK (Centennial), [closed], Located about 3 miles west of the town of Centennial on the way to MEDICINE BOW ski area. Skiers stayed in nearby &quot;Snowy Range Lodge&quot; in 1940 &amp; 1949. Offered a &quot;lift with wooden towers&quot; and steep terrain in the 40&rsquo;s &amp; 50&rsquo;s. Was already a relic in the late fifties. Much cable and a shack remained. MEDICINE BOW has plans to expand into this terrain.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 780 ft Top: 9660 Base: 8880</p><p>Lifts: chairlift, 2 rope tows (1949) toboggan runs </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>MEADOWLARK (Tensleep), [name change], Located off US 16 west of Powder Pass. Opened in the early 60&rsquo;s. Some maps show the name as &quot;Meadowlark Lake&quot;. The area overlooks Meadowlark Lake. Changed name to HIGH PARK (still open) in 1991.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 600 ft Top: 9100 Base: 8500</p><p>Lifts: 2 Pomas</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>MEDICINE BOW (Centennial), [name change], Located 5 miles west of Centennial on Hiway 130. Opened in 1960. Changed name to SNOWY RANGE in 1986 a few years after another nearby ski area by that name closed. Still open.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 600 ft Top: 9500 Base: 8900</p><p>Lifts: chairlift, 2 T-bars, 1 rope tow snowmaking</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>MEDICINE WHEEL (Lovell), [very obscure], Located 30 miles east of Lovell on Hiway 14A. &quot;fine expert and intermediate trails of about 2000 ft length served by a 1500 ft rope tow.&quot; Only one reference, in 1949. There is a &quot;Medicine Wheel&quot; historic attraction in the vicinity. A 1965 map shows the ski area on US14A near Bald Mtn.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>PINE CREEK (Cokeville), [still open], Located in far western Wyoming, 7 miles northeast of Cokeville off WY 232 in Pine Creek Canyon. Municipal area. The chairlift was the old &quot;Millicent&quot; SINGLE chair removed from Brighton (UT) in 1974. (Note: A &quot;94 Ski Guide, a 94 Wyoming map, and an eyewitness show a double chair??)</p><p>Vertical Drop: 1150 ft Top: 7950 Base: 6800</p><p>Lifts: 1 single chair, 2 rope tows</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>PINEDALE (Pinedale), [name change], Located on Fortification Mountain, 10 miles northeast of Pinedale. Started as SURVEYOR PARK, then became FORTIFICATION MTN, then PINEDALE, and finally became WHITE PINE for several years until it closed around 1987.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 980 ft Lifts: 1 Poma, 1 rope tow</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>RYAN PARK (Saratoga), [name change], Located 23 miles southeast of Saratoga on Hiway 130, in the town of Ryan Park and on Barrett Ridge. Formerly called BARRETT RIDGE and was renamed SNOWY RANGE about 1964.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 300 ft Lifts: 1 chairlift, 1 Poma</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SINKS CANYON (Lander), [obscure], Located 10 miles southwest of Lander in &quot;Sinks Canyon&quot;. Operated from about 1960 to 1977.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 780 ft Base: 7200</p><p>Lifts: 1 T-bar, 1 rope tow</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SLEEPING GIANT (Cody), [probably open], Located 48 miles west of Cody on US 16 about 3 miles east of Yellowstone Park. Opened in the early 50&rsquo;s. Dropped by one major guide book after 1992 and may have been closed for a few seasons but appears to be open in 96/97.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 500 ft Top: 7200 Base: 6700</p><p>Lifts: 1 T-bar, 1 rope tow</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>SNOWSHOE HOLLOW (Afton), [obscure/marginal], Municipal area located within the town limits of Afton. Opened around 1985 or 86. One reader says it is operated by the HS wrestling coach - when he is town.</p><p>Vertical Drop: 160 ft Top: 6400 Base: 6200 </p><p>Lifts: rope tow</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Comments from readers: We have a new reader, JIMMY (CO), who appears to be an expert on Lost Wyo ski areas. This man collects trail maps and topo maps for WY ski areas, he visits the closed ones, and he skis the small ones (he has even skied at SNOWSHOE HOLLOW!). Can you imagine anyone being so obsessed with one trivia subject? We can&rsquo;t!</p><p>;-) Jimmy has come up with two more lost Wyo areas:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BEARTOOTH PASS (Red Lodge, MT), [very obscure], Located on US 212 at &quot;Beartooth Pass&quot; near the Montana border. This highway is closed in the winter but a summer ski camp was operated here by the Red Lodge Ski Camp. Operated in the mid-80&rsquo;s. One Poma.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>DEER MOUNTAIN (Rock River), [very obscure], Located about 6 miles southeast of the Arlington Exit off I-80 on &quot;Deer Mountain&quot;. Operated briefly around 1958. One lift, two trails. Now visible from I-80 which did not exist when the area operated. Elevation: 8952 ft Also found on 1973 and 1985 Forest Service maps.</p><p>&nbsp;</p></strong><hr /><strong><p>1D. Who remembers these Lost WYOMING Ski Areas?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Snowy Range </li><li>South Pass </li><li>Summit </li><li>Sundance </li><li>Surveyor Camp </li><li>Surveyor Park </li><li>Teton Pass </li><li>Two Ocean Mountain </li><li>Undine Falls </li><li>White Pine</li></ul></strong><hr /><strong><p>2. LOST SKI AREAS FOLLOW-UP</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. No one voted on which ROCKY MOUNTAIN state should follow Wyoming. So we are thinking about doing NEVADA since we have already done the research in order to answer a question from a reader.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. ONE CREEK OR TWO? In &quot;Lost Ski Areas of NM&quot; we stated that CEDAR CREEK became RUIDOSO which became EAGLE CREEK. New reader CHARLES (from ??) says that &quot;Cedar&quot; and &quot;Eagle&quot; were two separate areas. Oh goody, another fun research project! Well, research indicates that Charles is correct. The only hard data we have for CEDAR CREEK is from 1949. The area had a rope tow, 120 ft of vertical, and was located just northwest of Ruidoso on &quot;Cedar Creek&quot;. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>RUIDOSO ski area opened about 1977 further north of Ruidoso on Eagle Creek and Hiway 532, which is the road to SIERRA BLANCA/APACHE. The area changed its name to EAGLE CREEK in 1980 and closed in 1984. It had a chairlift, T-bar, and 2 rope tows and a vertical of 500 ft. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. Please feel free to ask about any lost U.S. ski area at any time.</p><p>&nbsp;</p></strong><hr /><strong><p>3. TRIVIA QUESTIONS FOLLOW UP</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. MEA CULPA. When describing the career of FRED PABST, we discussed his development of 17 ski areas, and his finally settling in at STRATTON. Of course it was BROMLEY, not Stratton. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And, John Glenn was the THIRD American astronaut in space, not the second. There were two sub-orbital shots, with Shepard and Grissom. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. SNEAKY TRIVIA - Amazingly (at least to us) no one knew what TV Detective used the expression &quot;Great Googley Moogley&quot;. Hint: His character name was &quot;David Addison&quot;. NEW QUESTIONS: Which actor played the part? What detective agency? Who was his boss?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. SNEAKY TRIVIA - What TV ad character says: &quot;What a maroon!&quot; Answer - BUG BUNNY (said about Daffy Duck). Several folks knew that one. Old-timers will remember that Bugs always mis-pronounced moron as maroon. SNEAKY TRIVIA: What was Bugs&rsquo; favorite (Calif) BEACH?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. SNEAKY TRIVIA - What is the ROSSIGNOL logo? This one is strange. The name &quot;Rossignol&quot; translates to &quot;nightingale&quot;. However, the bird on their logo looks like a &quot;rooster&quot;, and in no way looks like a nightingale (which is basically a &quot;thrush&quot;, the best U.S. example being a robin). So why did the &quot;Nightingale&quot; family pick a rooster for their logo? We don&rsquo;t know. BTW, for the record the French word for rooster is &quot;coq&quot;. [And this tag, we always like: The French word &quot;rossignol&quot; also translates to &quot;unsaleable item&quot;, &quot;white elephant&quot;, or basically &quot;junk&quot;. !!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. ERSATZ GONDOLAS - After we reported that only WILDCAT, SUGARBUSH, and CRESTED BUTTE, had 2 or 3 passenger gondola cars, two readers said &quot;What about MT. SNOW?&quot;. Mt Snow had COVERED CHAIRS. Folding a plastic bubble over chair riders wearing their skis does not a gondola make. Gondolas have real cars, with floors, skiers remove their skis and stick them in external quivers - and there has to be someone with a long pole singing &quot;Oh Sole Mio&quot;. :-)</p><p>&nbsp;</p></strong><hr /><strong><p>4. SKI NEWS (Updates only - other news in previous issues)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. HEAVENLY VALLEY, CA - Has announced a long range expansion program. This summer they will be adding a Doppelmayr Detachable six-pack on the upper left region of the Calif side, roughly along the &quot;California Trail&quot;. Also some new trails in that vicinity.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. WOLF MOUNTAIN, UT - has been purchased by ASC. They hope to develop the mountain AND more particularly, the land at the base. This is the first western purchase for ASC/LBO; however S-K-I used to own BEAR MOUNTAIN in Southern California.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. PARK CITY, UT - Is replacing their venerable gondola (see Builder&rsquo;s Emporium) with TWO &quot;six-packs&quot; (6 passenger detachable chairlifts). Up till now, all of the six-packs in the U.S. and Canada have been built by Doppelmayr. However the ones at Park City are being built by Garaventa-CTEC, who apparently finally figured out that the concept is all about scale, not ingenuity. :-)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. ASPEN MOUNTAIN - Is replacing the &quot;Ruthies Run&quot; double chair with a very rare HS detachable DOUBLE chair. Skico determined that they didn&rsquo;t really need a big increase in capacity, just more speed. The riding time will decrease from 12 to 7 minutes. The double is really a standard POMA HS TRIPLE chair with an armrest down the center to limit it to two riders. The armrest will be padded and will contain two cupholders plus dispensers for recreational pharmaceuticals.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. SNOWMASS, CO - Has historically had a vertical drop of 3612 ft (Top 11,835, Base 8223). When they added a new base area (at 8114 ft) in 1995, the vertical grew to 3721. They claim a &quot;hike-up&quot; vertical of over 4000 ft but we only consider lift-served verticals. Snowmass has also been running a &quot;free&quot; snowcat up to 12,310 ft. This summer they plan to install a Pomalift running to the 12,310 ft altitude. This will give them a Vertical Drop Of 4,196 ft, highest in the U.S.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>f. CRESTED BUTTE, CO - Is finally implementing a plan from 3 years ago which they canceled in favor of building a hotel (bad decision - service the skiers first and someone else will build the hotel). The &quot;Keystone&quot; triple will be replaced by a HS Quad. The triple will be moved to &quot;East River&quot;, replacing a double there. [The double will then replace the Kratka Ridge single which will return to replace the C.B. T-bar which will replace a rope tow at Alta. The rope tow will be installed at a hidden spot in the woods near Mountain Dell, Utah to secretly aide the U.S. X-country skiers in 2002. ;-) ]</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Crested Butte is for sale (currently owned by Bo Callaway of famed &quot;Callaway Gardens&quot; in GA). Rumor has CB going to Booth Creek.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>g. BRECKENRIDGE, CO - Andy Daly, President of Vail Resorts, says there will be new lifts at Breck this year. There are several possibilities but we won&rsquo;t confuse you until they firm up the plans. The most telling thing Daly said: Vail, with 1.6 mill skier days, has 11 high speed lifts. Breck, with 1.3 mill skier days has only 4 HS lifts. Breck needs to catch up.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>h. WINTER PARK, CO - Is planning to open some new terrain between Vasquez Ridge and Parsenn Bowl. No new lifts this season. Hey &quot;Coolman&quot;! What&rsquo;s this new terrain going to be like? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i. BOLTON VALLEY, VT - This area, already in Chapter 11, had a bad season and has turned over their assets to the lending agency. The bank could operate the area next season or it could end up like KING RIDGE (NH) and be sold off piecemeal. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>j. OKEMO, VT - New HS Quad replaces the South Face FG quad. 2 new trails. New day lodge at base of the Solitude quad.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>k. WILDCAT, NH - Is adding their very first HS Quad (Doppelmayr), which will run bottom-to-top parallel to the ancient (2-place) gondola. Altho this could mean the end of the gondola as a skilift, it may remain as a summer sightseeing ride. (Nice Mt Washington view)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>l. SNOWSHOE, WV - Is replacing the &quot;Ballhooter&quot; FG quad with a HS Detachable Quad. There will a new snowboard park at SILVER CREEK.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;Ballhooter&quot; is a strange name. There is a ski trail by that name at KEYSTONE (CO). It might be a mining term - or what a cross dresser needs at least one each of. ;-)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>m. OTHER LIFTS: Our insider at Doppelmayr reports these other new Big D lifts:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>o Crystal Mtn, WA - detachable six-pack</p><p>o Mammoth Mtn, CA - two HS Quads (courtesy of Intrawest)</p><p>o Ski Sunrise, AZ - HS Quad</p><p>o Steamboat, CO - HS Quad</p><p>o Bromley, VT - HS Quad</p><p>&nbsp;</p></strong><hr /><strong><p>5. BUILDER&rsquo;S EMPORIUM</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. T-BAR TYPES - Some of you kidded us because we had never ridden a &quot;telescoping tube&quot; type T-bar as opposed to the &quot;reel&quot; type. Actually we never said we hadn&rsquo;t ridden one, just that we couldn&rsquo;t remember one. Consider this. At the current time there are only 3 T-bars in all of Colorado. One is on the upper reaches of Peak 8 at BRECK. We rode it once but we were more interested in the fact that it turned a corner. The one at CRESTED BUTTE is very old (we rode it years ago), is way off to one side, out of sight, and is mostly used by the Western State ski team for race training. The one at SKI COOPER is also old but is very visible and is a reel type. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>30 years ago, WINTER PARK, BRECKENRIDGE, and LAKE ELDORA had lots of T-bars; maybe we will stumble across pictures. Newer areas like KEYSTONE and COPPER have never had T-bars. So, we don't have much to go on, from recent personal experience. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BTW, the T-bar was invented by ERNEST CONSTAM in Davos, Switzerland in 1934. By 1940 Constam had moved to the U.S. and eventually he settled in Denver. This might explain the prevalence of reel-type T-bars in Colorado. [FWIW, Constam called the reel a &quot;spring box&quot;.]</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. GONDOLAS vs CABLE CARS - Someone asked the difference. A gondola system has many cars, and runs continuously in the same direction. It is essentially the same as a detachable quad, only with gondola cars. A cable car/tram has two large cars fixed to a cable, stops for loading, and reverses direction, after loading.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. AUSTRALIAN GONDOLA - In northern Australia (near Cairns) there is a really neat gondola which travels over a rain forest, allowing sightseers to see the forest canopy without disturbing the forest itself. Lots of special requirements due to limited access, no grease allowed, and heat and humidity, etc. Read all about it on the POMA web page. (www.poa.pomagroup.com)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. PARK CITY GONDOLA (being removed) - Was one of the oldest gondolas in the U.S. It was billed as the longest ski lift in the West when it opened in 1963. Altho a &quot;European consultant&quot; was used, the system was built by an American construction company and the fiberglass cars were built by a SLC plastics company. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Other old gondolas still operating include: GORE MTN (68), MAMMOTH (67), and SUGARLOAF (66). Technically the oldest gondola is the access gondola at SUGAR BOWL, CA (1953) but it was remodeled after 4 years of operation. Certainly the oldest gondola still serving ski runs is at WILDCAT, NH (1957). </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. LOVELAND LIFTS - We skied Loveland this season for the first time since starting the newsletter and decided to analyze the lifts. There are 5 chairlifts at Loveland Basin (we did not look at the ones at adjacent Loveland Valley). All five are &quot;YANS&quot;. 4 of the 5 travel CCW. None has a safety bar or footrest. There are 2 doubles, 2 triples, and a FG quad. Only the quad uses bullwheel loading.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The #4 double chair is as old as any chairlift we have seen recently (actually it was originally built by Heron in 1965). The lower terminal (bullwheel and motor) is in a building - don&rsquo;t see that anymore. The upper terminal is a large &quot;erector set&quot; structure with two big towers on either side of the off-ramp. They are padded!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The long triple (#2) has some unusual features. It has a midway load point on the LEFT. Since it is a CCW lift (loading on the RIGHT) we got to wondering how that worked. The downhill side has no hold-down towers near midway so the downhill cable and chairs travel above your head as you load. Strange. Another strange item was the inverted &quot;L&quot; tower in the midst of the usual &quot;T&quot; types. Only the uphill side cable passed thru tower wheels. Once again the downhill side was high in the air. Obviously this lift was not designed for downhill transportation! Oh, and this chair travels OVER chair #6. The two lifts share a tower at the crossover point.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The chairs themselves were thick grainy molded plastic like you find in sturdy children&rsquo;s toys (tuff stuff?). The lattice-work on the back of the chairs spells out &quot;YAN&quot;. There is a large metal windscreen at the debarking point (which is above timberline). The steel mesh incorporates the &quot;Loveland&quot; logo and the word &quot;YAN&quot;. FWIW, the Loveland logo is a sort of clown balanced upside down on his poles. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>f. SAFETY? Readers have mentioned the two types of safety-bars on center pole type double chairs. The horizontal (safety) bar has a problem with that center pole. The more common solution is to insert a &quot;U&quot;-shaped loop in the middle of the horizontal bar, which nestles around the center pole. The other design has two bars which swing in from the outside, much like the safety-bars on single chairs. [The old singles at ASPEN and SUN VALLEY had a canvas flap on the bar and the effect was of closing a little door on your legs.] Once again, since there are almost no safety-bars in Colorado, we personally never saw safety-bars on center pole double chairs, but we have seen several pictures of both design solutions. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>g. MT WHITTIER, NH and CRESTED BUTTE, CO both operated with a gondola but no chairlifts - unusual. SCOTT (BC) suggested that WHISTLER (BC) opened with only a gondola. It may have, briefly, but our records show these interesting facts. GARABALDI LIFTS opened in 1966 with a gondola, a chairlift, and 2 T-bars, serving 4300 ft of vertical! The gondola rose 2110 ft, the chairlift another 1750 ft, and a T-bar another 750 ft. Reminds one of PANORAMA. </p><p>&nbsp;</p></strong><hr /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong><p>6. POTPOURRI</p></strong><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. A SAD DAY - To get to the (closed) SKI BROADMOOR ski area you drive past the hotel, following the signs for the zoo, then travel thru the zoo parking lot to the left (south) following the signs for the Broadmoor stables and shooting range. The stables surround the still extant base lodge, and there is a riding corral in the parking lot. Not any more. The shooting range is closed, the stables have been moved, and the access road is now closed. Why? THE BROADMOOR HOTEL is selling expensive duplexes and house lots in the vicinity, overlooking the Broadmoor South golf course. One home is being built for World Champion skaters, Jill Trenary and Christopher Dean. At least the ski runs are still visible and will be forever.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>b. CUCHARA VALLEY, CO - This ski area is owned by two businessmen brothers from Texas. After one season they decided they were not cut out to be ski resort operators, put the area up for sale, and did not operate it this season. Except one night. They had a little party for some friends and ran one chair for skiing. They were promptly cited for operating a ski lift without a license. Their excuse was that the lift was entirely on private property and it was not open to the public. But, apparently you still have to have a state inspection and a permit. Same as if you operated an elevator in your house. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>c. WRONG, FUNNY, OR ODD</p><p>1) Here is the first in what we hope will be a series on oddities in the wonderful, wacky world of ski area brochures. (?)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>We were reviewing a brochure for BIG TUPPER and found out that Tupper Lake, NY is &quot;Black Fly Controlled&quot;. Good to know. (Funny) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>2) JACK (MT), reports that Montana has decided to do away with their state tramway (lift safety) board. Their reasoning is that the ski areas and insurance companies do their own inspections, therefore the board is superfluous. One ski area spokesman declared: If there is an accident, only the insurance companies get hurt! Remember that the next time you are injured on a ski lift - only the insurance company got hurt! (Wrong)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>3) &quot;We&rsquo;ll leave the light on for ya.&quot; Slick Willie Clinton (Wrong?)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>d. MARGINAL SKI AREAS - Here is what youse guys and gals had to say about our list of doubtful ski areas (and thanks for your help): </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Probably Still OPEN: Spruce Mtn, ME; Belle Mtn, NJ; Warner Canyon, OR; Echo Valley, Hurricane Ridge and Loup Loup, WA; Pine Creek, WY.</p><p>Probably CLOSED: Kit Carson, CA; Highlands and Lynx Creek, NH; Elko Sno Bowl, NV; Maple Valley and Prospect Mt, VT; and Eagle Rock, WY</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>e. SNAVELY SNIVELINGS - We asked why SOUTH CAROLINA has no ski areas. Reader KEVIN (SC) says the mountains in SC are on the Tenn. border. If you built a ski area facing north, the area would be on the north side of the mountain ridge, and thus be in Tennessee.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>We mentioned reasons why we are feeling old. One reader saw a sign in a bar saying you must have been born before 1976 to be served. He had already voted in 1976! You have heard of famous basketball player Grant Hill? One reader saw Grant&rsquo;s Father, Calvin Hill, play in a college football game at Yale Bowl! </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><hr /><strong><p>7. &quot;SUN VALLEY SERENADE&quot; (1939) - OK, you&rsquo;ve had over two months to rent this movie or watch it on an old movie channel. We said we would discuss some unusual aspects of the making of the film, so here we are. A recap: The movie stars Sonja Henie, John Payne, and Lynn Bari, with Milton Berle and Joan Davis for laughs, along with the Glenn Miller orchestra. Appearing with the band are Ray Anthony on trumpet, Tex Beneke on vocals, The Modernaires with Paula Kelly, and the dancing Nicholas Brothers with Dorothy Dandridge. Most of the movie takes place in SUN VALLEY, with many skiing and skating scenes.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>ODDITIES: Altho most of the story takes place at SUN VALLEY, very little was filmed there. The reason: The unit director was famous skier, ski instructor, and director OTTO LANG. He had directed a previous Sonja Henie film, done at Paradise Lodge on Mt Rainier. It became clear early on that Ms Henie was not a good enough skier to do her own skiing scenes. So, Gretchen (Kunigk) Fraser was engaged to double for her. However, Ms Henie was needed to do the occasional scene like walking out of the lodge door or carrying her skis to the lift, etc. But when she was needed for a scene she couldn&rsquo;t be found. Eventually it turned out that she could always be found in co-star Tyrone Power&rsquo;s room! Based on that experience, Otto Lang decided that if he ever did another Henie film, the stars would NOT go on location.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So, the movie was filmed with mockup sets on a soundstage at Fox. Sun Valley Lodge lobby, halls, and rooms - all done in Hollywood. Trail Creek Cabin - Hollywood. When Milton Berle looked down from the balcony to watch Sonja skate, the view was just of the backstage. And the famous outdoor ice rink at the Lodge - located on a soundstage at Fox. (Ms Henie was hired for 5 pictures so Fox figured the ice rink was worthwhile. The ice could be covered for other uses.) </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Outdoor scenes were shot using &quot;process&quot; shots. One of the best: A long shot of a real train arriving at the real Ketchum RR station. Then a close-up of the stars getting off a phony train at a phony station. They get into horse drawn sleighs and drive off to the Lodge singing &quot;It Happened In Sun Valley&quot; with snowbound scenery rushing by in the background - a great process shot. Well done sequence.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The band played in a mockup of the famous &quot;Eddy Duchin Room&quot; at the Lodge. For the big number, &quot;Chattanooga Choo Choo&quot;, the Nicholas Brothers and Dorothy Dandridge danced. Now these folks weren&rsquo;t part of the band. So where did they come from? Were they skiing at Sun Valley? Did they just wander thru the lobby, hear the music, and decide to jam (complete with appropriate costumes?)? Who knows. But this was typical of Sonja Henie movies. She was not a very good actress and never ventured beyond light comedy. To ensure a wide audience, Fox filled her films with comedians and musical acts. (This happened years later with Esther Williams films using the likes of Lucille Ball and Jimmy Durante.)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Sonja Henie was a 3-time Olympic champion and 10 time World champion. But when she skates in her big production numbers, she just glides around gracefully, doing lots of spins, and every once in a while a SINGLE jump (women do triple jumps now). She reminds you of Katerina Witt. ;-) Things have really changed in the figure skating world.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Early on, the Payne character decides to take a ski run. At that time to reach the top of Baldy one would ride 3 single chairs. So the camera carefully followed his double up all 3. And, amazingly there was never a lift line! But actually there was. In the background of each shot as he skied up to the lift you could see a line of skiers. Apparently the other skiers were happy to wait just to be a part of a Hollywood film!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The actual skiing scenes of Payne, Henie, and Berle were done with very bad process shots and scenes of stunt doubles. The stunt skiers were very good. How good compared with today&rsquo;s experts? Well, they skied a little wide-track (skis 6 inches apart) and there was a tiny hop in their turns compared to today&rsquo;s smooth turners. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Midway thru the location shooting, Ms Fraser had to leave for a ski meet so some of Ms Henie&rsquo;s skiing scenes were done with a local male high school skier. Have to watch closely for those scenes.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This is a great movie. We highly recommend it to fans of skiing, skating, music, comedy, and just plain movie buffs.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p></strong>- OK, you&rsquo;ve had over two months to rent this movie or watch it on an old movie channel. We said we would discuss some unusual aspects of the making of the film, so here we are. A recap: The movie stars Sonja Henie, John Payne, and Lynn Bari, with Milton Berle and Joan Davis for laughs, along with the Glenn Miller orchestra. Appearing with the band are Ray Anthony on trumpet, Tex Beneke on vocals, The Modernaires with Paula Kelly, and the dancing Nicholas Brothers with Dorothy Dandridge. Most of the movie takes place in SUN VALLEY, with many skiing and skating scenes. <hr /><strong><p>8. FUNICULAR FOLLIES FUN FOLLOW-UP, FOLKS</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Lots of good comments on our Europe vs US Funicular discussion. We appreciate your interest. It was fun to write. Some comments were positive while others attacked parts of our logic. In summary, we proposed 3 reasons why there are no ski area FUNICULARS and very few CABLE CARS in the U.S., as compared to Europe: HISTORY - when ski areas were built in Europe, there were no gondolas, chairlifts, T-bars or Pomas. GEOLOGY - the young, steep, rugged Alps require more serious lifts than the more benign ski terrain in most of the U.S. GEOGRAPHY - Funiculars and trams are expensive and require a year round operation which is more easily accomplished in Europe due to the much higher population density.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Our favorite reader comment came after the first paragraph: &quot;Hey, this is good stuff!&quot; One reader said that European towns impose a bed tax which helps support the Government owned major lifts. We were not aware that ski lifts in Europe were Government owned. With rare exceptions, the lifts in the U.S. are privately owned. Bed taxes here support infrastructure.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>In our geology section we stated that the only serious mountains in the U.S. were the Rockies, the Tetons, and the Sierras and there are few ski areas in rugged portions of those mountains. [We estimate that 90% of U.S. ski areas are not on &quot;big&quot; mountains.] Readers suggested the Wasatch and Cascades as rugged mountains which do support ski areas. We agree. As to our argument that the steep side of the Sierras is the East side and the ski areas are mostly on the West side, one reader pointed out that almost all of the Lake Tahoe ski areas are actually on the East side of the ridge line, passes, etc. Also true. But these ski areas are &quot;mostly new&quot;. That is, Kirkwood, Squaw, Heavenly, June, Mammoth, and Northstar, are all fairly &quot;new&quot; areas, built well after the chairlift and gondola were invented. (Now class, remember to look at all 3 factors. :-) )</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>In two cases we will take exception to reader comments. We said that Mammoth and June mountains were not true &quot;Sierras&quot;. Mammoth is a volcano. It is free standing and almost surrounded by roads. It is not a Sierra. And we still think June Mtn is a foothill. As for Mt Katahdin in Maine, someone proposed it is a &quot;rugged&quot; mountain. Well, first of all it doesn&rsquo;t have any ski area on it so that supports our argument. However we find Katahdin to be a very round, featureless, boring mountain, not rugged at all. In fact it is a family joke. Since most of our family lives in New England, we get yearly calendars with New England scenes. We have actually asked the family to find calendars WITHOUT pix of Mt Katahdin (because it is so boring) and to substitute a lobster boat or fall color instead! :-) [True story!] </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p></strong><hr /><strong><p>9. EPILOG</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR first and last name) in your first E-Mail to TCS. Why? Because we love you.</p><em><p align="center">Cheers from THE COLORADO SKIER (your humble servant)</p></em><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;I calculated the total time that humans have waited for web pages to load..... it cancels out all the productivity of the information age.&quot;</p><p>Dilbert</p></strong>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<h2>The Colorado Skier Trivia</h2><p>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER </p><p>This is part of a series on Skiing and Ski Area TRIVIA. It is posted separately from our companion series on &quot;LOST SKI AREAS&quot;, &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - SKI NEWS&quot;, and &quot;TCS LISTS&quot;. Check 'em out. <br /></p><strong>THE COLORADO SKIER TRIVIA - EDITION #23 (4-5-97)</strong><br /><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: </p><p>A. Once again, we are running out of original ski related trivia questions. Your contributions would be appreciated. </p><p>B. There being no further editorial remarks - On with the Big Show! <br /></p><hr /><h4>1. *** NEW *** TRIVIA QUESTIONS </h4><br /><p>a. How were the following folks involved with skiing or the ski industry? Sir Arnold Lunn, Dick Durrance, Roland Palmedo <br /></p><p>b. Name the 4 BIGGEST ski area OWNERS in North America in terms of total &quot;skier days&quot; at their combined ski areas. <br /></p><p>c. At which SKI AREAS are the following ski runs? (easy!) </p><ul><li>Hump, Dromedary, Bactrian, Sphinx, King Tut </li><li>Ambergris, Beluga, Blubber, Harpoon, Spout </li></ul><br /><p>d. What is a &quot;porron&quot; and how does it relate to southwestern skiing? <br /></p><p>e. NOSTALGIA QUESTION - There are 10 cable car/trams at U.S. ski areas. Only one state has two: HEAVENLY VALLEY, CA and SQUAW VALLEY, CA. WHERE are the other 8 CABLE CARS? <br /></p><p>BONUS ONE: [Several readers have suggested this question] (open question) Which U.S. ski areas have CHAIRLIFTS which CROSS? [Our preliminary list includes: ATTITASH, NH; COPPER MOUNTAIN, CO; LOVELAND, CO; and HEAVENLY VALLEY, CA] <br /></p><p>BONUS TWO: What is ASPEN? Is it a tree?, a resort town?, a ski area?, a ski company? When you say &quot;Aspen&quot; it certainly isn't clear that you mean the ski area (Aspen Mtn). That's why locals call it &quot;Ajax&quot;. No confusion there. (OPEN QUESTION): [suggested by a reader] Which ski areas carry more than one name? [Preliminary list: ARAPAHOE BASIN is A-Basin or The Basin; MT REBA is Bear Valley; MT Mansfield is STOWE; etc.] <br /></p><p>BONUS THREE: That stretch of pavement to the right of the right-most highway lane is usually called the &quot;shoulder&quot;, but not always (not in New England). What is it called in your region? <br /></p><hr /><h4>2. TRIVIA 22 ANSWERS </h4><br /><p>a. Each state has a &quot;point of highest altitude&quot;. Are any of these &quot;highest points&quot; sites for formal ski areas? </p><p>ANSWER: STOWE, VT is on MT MANSFIELD; MAD RIVER, OH is on CAMPBELL HILL; ARIZONA SNOW BOWL, AZ is on HUMPHREYS PEAK; MT GREYLOCK, MA has a small ski area; there are several ski areas on MT HOOD, OR; and MAUNA KEA, HI has a sometime &quot;4wd&quot; ski area. </p><p>GUESSES: Everyone guessed Stowe and Mt Hood. Reader SCOTT (OH) clued us in about Campbell Hill. He says it is located in Bellefontane - pronounced &quot;Bell Fountain&quot;. That is typical of the Midwest, pronounce things literally as opposed to New England where everything is slurred (e.g., Peabody is not pronounced &quot;PEA body&quot;, it is pronounced Peebadee - said real fast. You remember Campbell Soup? - pronounced cambel (as in gamble); at my high school in MI, we had a Mr. &quot;Camp Bell&quot;. Hey Scott, how do locals pronounce Campbell Hill? <br /></p><p>b. At which SKI AREAS are the following ski runs? </p><ul><li>Model T, Continental, Rambler, Riviera, Thunderbird </li><li>Broadway, 7th Ave, Park Ave, Fifth Ave, 42nd St </li></ul><p>ANSWER: Hidden Valley, PA and Hunter Mtn, NY </p><p>GUESSES: Several folks got Hunter, but y'all wanted the car one to be in Michigan! <br /></p><p>c. In the U.S. there are 4, 6, and 8 passenger gondola cars and at STRATTON (now at VAIL) 12 excited, friendly, and hopefully well-showered skiers can ride together. Question: Where are/were there 2 and 3 passenger gondolas? </p><p>ANSWER: SUGARBUSH, VT and CRESTED BUTTE, CO had 3 passenger gondola cars and WILDCAT, NH still has a 2 passenger version. </p><p>GUESSES: 3 folks got Sugarbush and Wildcat, a couple more just Wildcat, and only one person remembered the one at Crested Butte. <br /></p><p>d. How were the following folks involved with skiing or the ski industry? Jim Curran, C. Minot Dole, John Jay, Fred Pabst, Count Felix Schoffgotsch? </p><p>ANSWER: CURRAN (Union Pacific) invented the CHAIRLIFT for Sun Valley; MINNIE DOLE is generally responsible for starting the SKI PATROL and for getting the Army to create a cadre of mountain ski troops; JOHN JAY was the first lecturing ski movie photographer, thus paving the way for Dick Barrymore and Warren Miller; PABST (beer &quot;scion&quot; for you x-word puzzle freaks) invented the J-BAR and started many ski areas, including STRATTON, VT (at one time Pabst owned 17 ski areas). The COUNT discovered the Idaho site for SUN VALLEY. </p><p>GUESSES: BRUCE (CO) got all 5! Jack (WA/MT) got 4, missing only Curran. The highest recognition rate was for Dole and Pabst. <br /></p><p>e. NOSTALGIA QUESTION - How many SKI AREAS have some kind of BIRD name in their title? </p><p>ANSWER: Eaglecrest, AK; Eagle Rock, PA; Gull, MN; Hawksnest, NC; Loon, NH; Pajarito, NM; Snowbird, UT; Jay, VT; Mohawk, CT </p><p>GUESSES: Folks with a &quot;White Book&quot; got most except &quot;Pajarito&quot; (which means &quot;Little Bird&quot;). Everyone else got Snowbird. </p><p>BONUS ONE: Survey - How many of you have had to be RESCUED from a skilift? (For us, only once - a chairlift derailed at Mammoth Mtn. We were lowered to the ground (with skis on) via a harness which clipped around both thighs and the waist. The thighs carried the weight and the waist band kept you from falling out. Very clever.) </p><p>RESPONSES - Amazingly, most of the responses were - NEVER. DAVE (NY) has been rescued 4 times (!) and BILL (CO) 3 times. Several readers have participated in practice rescues as rescuer or victim. SKIP KING had the best story. As a patroller he was sent up a chairlift to check conditions early in the AM. The lift supervisor then decided not to open the chair that day and it was shut down. Two hours later someone remarked: Anyone seen Skip? ...... Oh, oh. Runner-up story: DAVID (NY) has fallen off 3 lifts! [and a few rugs! ;-)] <br /></p><p>BONUS TWO: Survey - In your part of the country (like where you grew up) what do you call a non-alcoholic, sweet, carbonated BEVERAGE? </p><p>ANSWER: In general, its: West - COKE; Plains and Midwest - POP; Mid-Atlantic - SODA (taking over); New England - TONIC (dying out) </p><p>GUESSES: We will list your regional observations. </p><ul><li>COKE - Calif, South </li><li>POP - Ohio, Colo, Minn., Ohio, Colo </li><li>SODA - East, Texas, CA, VA, New England, Boston, NJ, East, NYC, MD </li><li>TONIC - Boston, NY, Mass </li></ul><p>JAN-ERIK had the best answer: Where he grew up, soft drinks were called &quot;brus&quot;. (He grew up in Norway!) <br /></p><p>BONUS THREE: &quot;What better way to spend an autumn afternoon&quot;. WHO (often) said that and WHAT were they referring to? </p><p>ANSWER: ABC-TV football announcer CHRIS SCHENKEL said it at the beginning of every COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME he broadcast. </p><p>GUESSES: Three of you knew it was college football, but you all said Keith Jackson. Interesting. (Schenkel now announces bowling) <br /></p><hr /><h4>3. LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP </h4><br /><p>a. LOST NEVADA - Loyal reader NICK (CA) recently skied at MT ROSE and DIAMOND PEAK, in NV. Nick asked about 3 &quot;Lost&quot; ski areas he discovered along the way. The first was TANNENBAUM which is at the Reno end of the Mt Rose highway. This is a small area which has been closed since 1981. Details when we do Lost Nevada. Up the hill (towards MT ROSE) slightly is SKY TAVERN. This area started as MT ROSE BOWL way back in 1945. Changed its name to Sky Tavern around 1966. Data petered out around 1978 with mention of Junior Ski Programs (Reno schools?). We assumed that the area had closed but Nick reports that it is still in operation with a parking lot full of school buses. Hmmm. Nick also asked about SLIDE MTN. Actually this was the original area on Slide Peak, opening in 1953. Adjacent &quot;Mt Rose&quot; didn't come along until 1965, but when the two areas merged, the MT ROSE name was kept even tho the combined area is located on Slide Mtn, and &quot;Mt Rose&quot; is actually across the highway! <br /></p><p>b. RED HILL, NH - As follow-up to our discussion about OSSIPPEE MTN, near Moultonboro, reader BRUCE (NY) recalls the Red Hill ski area near Moultonboro, but west of Hiway 25. We had just discovered this area on an elderly map and in a 1951 book. Seems to have a platterpull and modest vertical. Bruce and his cousin have skied there in recent years. <br /></p><p>c. MT WHITTIER, NH - This area had a gondola, T-bars, and rope tow. One reader wondered if this was the only ski area with a gondola and NO chairlifts. Actually Crested Butte (CO) opened (1962) with a gondola, T-bar, and J-bar (no chairs). FWIW the T-bar still operates. <br /></p><p>d. DIXIE MTN, OR - New reader DANA (OR) asked about this ski area: It was located on Dixie Pass on US 26, 20 miles east of John Day. It operated from about 1960 to 1987. One rope tow and a vertical of 80 ft. (!) A reader said the area wasn't visible on a recent driveby. <br /></p><p>e. ATTENTION ALL SOUTHLAND FIELD AGENTS! Nick, from Malibu, CA, says he can't be a full-time TCS field agent unless a meteor hits and changes the climate. Well, a meteor did hit Denver and turn it into Dallas and Kansas City (for a TV movie). In La La land you can check out the following &quot;lost&quot; ski areas on a Sunday afternoon: Cerro Noroeste on Mt Abel; Buckhorn, near Kratka; Movie Slope, near Baldy; Magic Mtn/Crystal Ridge, Happy Hill, Snow Forest, Clifford Lynn, and Rebel Ridge at Big Bear; Ski Villa in Carbon Canyon; Palomar; and two areas near Mt Laguna, east of San Diego. When you finish those, we will start you on the Southern Sierra. Happy hunting! <br /></p><hr /><h4>4. SKI AREA NEWS </h4><br /><p>a. SPICY RUN - This brand new area in Latham, OH, near Chillicothe, opened on 31 Jan. It is the first new U.S. ski area since WHITETAIL, PA (1991). &quot;Spicy Run&quot; (named after their tacos - and the results) has 600 feet of vertical, a Borvig chairlift, a handle tow, 100% snowmaking, and night skiing. <br /></p><p>b. TEMPLE MTN, NH has declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy. <br /></p><p>c. JACKSON HOLE - Will be adding a new gondola and new base facilities next season. <br /></p><p>d. KILLINGTON - Two rumors. The Killington double-chair will become a quad. Also, Killington has donated some land to the state in return for permission to connect with PICO. <br /></p><p>e. SQUAW VALLEY - Is thinking of replacing their overworked gondola with what would be the first of the new two-cable gondolas in the U.S. It would have 30-passenger cars. Squaw is talking to GARAVENTA, which has built similar systems in Crans-Montana and Verbier in Switzerland. <br /></p><p>f. BERTHOUD PASS, CO - This area has been closed since 1990. New owners have just obtained Forest Service permission to re-open and hope to get going by next ski season. <br /></p><p>g. MITTERSILL, NH - This area, next to state owned CANNON MTN, has been closed since 1979. There are rumors that the state of NH has appropriated funds to refurbish lifts and cut connecting trails to Cannon. What have you guys heard? <br /></p><hr /><h4>5. BUILDERS EMPORIUM </h4><br /><p>a. There are center pole quads at WILMOT, WI (1978), SKI LIBERTY, PA (1981), POWDER RIDGE, CT (1971), and ALPINE MTN, PA (1985). <br /></p><p>b. T-BARS - Reader JOHN (VT) asked about the TWO types of T-bars. We can only remember one: The Tee is like a pick-ax with a 4 foot wooden handle and a 3 foot cross-bar. The handle is connected to a cable which winds into a spring-loaded spool fastened to the haul rope. When loading, the Tee is pulled down by a lift operator. John remembers another kind, more like a platter-pull, which has a long handle and no spool. We just found a pic of one like that in a 1965 ski mag (at Blowing Rock, NC). We are guessing that the cable/spool types are built by Constam. Our records indicate several &quot;Hall&quot; and &quot;Roebling&quot; T-bars in VT. Maybe John saw one of those brands. </p><p>We have seen two kinds of platter-pulls. On bunny slopes the platter is attached to a long pole which is permanently attached to the haul rope. Unoccupied platters do not reach the ground. Advanced platters usually are detachable and an operator hands the rider the disc end and jerks down on the top to attach the mechanism to the haul rope. On steep slopes, an unoccupied platter would bounce along the ground, because of the long pole. (The B-90 Poma at Loveland is this type.) </p><p>Everyone complains about riding a T-bar alone or with unequal size partners - hard to stay in the track. We always rode them alone like a Poma. Just stick the Tee vertically between your legs then twist to a horizontal position and ride up like a Poma. (It helps to be tall) <br /></p><p>c. QUEBEC CITY FUNICULAR CRASH (follow-up) - Professor GUNN, our man in Montreal, reports the news: During the investigation all eyes looked to builder OTIS ELEVATOR, but they defended by producing an inspection report wherein they recommended to the owner/operator that the cable be replaced. However, a few days later, Otis did admit blame. The ride is still closed (no big deal in a Quebec winter?). <br /></p><p>d. QUAD STOPS - We characterized as &quot;unusual&quot; the HS quad at VAIL with the midway unload station. Readers pointed out that the HS Quad at SILVER STAR, BC works that way and the new HS at TIMBERLINE has a midway loading station for summer use. <br /></p><p>e. NEW TRAM - We just discovered a new tourist tram/cable car at Juneau, AK. It was built by Poma and rises 1740 ft (60 passenger cars) from a cruise ship dock to a tower on Mt Roberts. One more way to separate the cruise ship passengers from their moola. It does have a nice view, tho (of the cruise ship). <br /></p><hr /><h4>6. TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP </h4><br /><p>a. SNEAKY TRIVIA ANSWER - In the Snickers TV commercial, a man is carefully painting the end-zone for the Kansas City Chiefs. As he finishes, a football player says: &quot;Great job but who are the CHEFS?&quot; The painter then mutters: &quot;Great Googely Moogely&quot;. Five (yes 5!) readers knew this one. Two readers caught it after several watchings or when their kids noticed. One person thought it was too easy. One LOVED the commercial (Have you seen the same guy paint the lines on an ice hockey rink?). One reader said he walked up to a person with a KC logo jacket on and said: &quot;Nice jacket but who are the Chefs?&quot; The jacket wearer replied &quot;I get that a lot lately&quot;. !!!! <br /></p><p>b. SNEAKY TRIVIA - What famous TV PI also said &quot;Great G... M...&quot;? <br /></p><p>c. SNEAKY TRIVIA - What TV ad character says: &quot;What a maroon!&quot; <br /></p><p>d. &quot;VOLCANO - FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN&quot; - Anyone know where this (crummy) TV flic was filmed? It looked like a small town in the northwest - big trees and lots of snow. Supposed to be at a large ski resort but wasn't. Only one brief shot of a non-operating double chair. The ski runs were (badly) painted on the volcano. You could &quot;see&quot; the set decorator at work: &quot;Let's lean a couple of snowboards against that railing. Have two folks with skis over their shoulders walk by in the background. Have an SUV with skis on top drive by, etc.&quot; <br /></p><p>e. LOST SKI RACES (follow-up) - Reader PAT (OR) points out that the &quot;Golden Rose&quot; race still exists altho it is just a local's race now. Someone suggested the &quot;Inferno&quot; race down Mt Washington, NH as another big time race. This infamous race was held only a few times (in the 30's and 40's), limited by weather conditions, lack of lifts, and lack of a formal ski area support system. <br /></p><hr /><h4>7. TO SKI OR NOT TO BE (Is that a question?) </h4><p>It's time for our annual survey of MARGINAL SKI AREAS. Please let us know if you think that any of these ski areas was DEFINITELY OPEN or DEFINITELY CLOSED for the 96/97 season. </p><ul><li>CA - Kit Carson, Shirley Meadows, Snow Forest </li><li>CO - Chapman Hill, Cranor Hill, Hesperus, Lake City, Ouray </li><li>ID - Bald Mtn, Kelly Canyon, Little Ski Hill, Snowhaven </li><li>IN - Pines </li><li>MA - Pine Ridge </li><li>ME - Black Mtn, May Mtn, Spruce Mtn </li><li>MN - Quadna </li><li>ND - Ft Ransom </li><li>NH - Highlands, Lynx Creek </li><li>NJ - Belle Mtn </li><li>NM - Cloudcroft </li><li>NV - Elko Sno Bowl </li><li>OR - Ferguson Ridge, Warner Canyon </li><li>SD - Great Bear </li><li>VT - Maple Valley, Prospect Mt </li><li>WA - Echo Valley, Hurricane Ridge, Loup Loup </li><li>WY - Eagle Rock, Pine Creek </li></ul><br /><hr /><h4>8. FROM THE MAILBAG </h4><br /><p>a. After we noted that a 1953 book on SQUAW VALLEY had pretty neat pix of their infamous &quot;jigback tramway&quot;, reader NEILL (NH) said: Aren't all trams &quot;jigback&quot;? Actually, mostly yes. And since Squaw has a real tram we should have been more specific. In 1953 they had a jigback &quot;tram&quot; where the two &quot;tram cars&quot; were actually 2 groups of (6 or 8) seats lined up parallel to the cable. Skiers rode sideways and the cable stopped for loading. Strange device! <br /></p><p>b. A while back, a reader asked which ski areas have &quot;mines&quot;. The area which obviously comes to mind is PARK CITY, UT. There are several impressive looking mining structures scattered around the slopes and there is the infamous mine train/elevator formerly used as a ski lift in the 60's. Next door DEER VALLEY is honeycombed with mines and some sections are off-limits to skiers due to the danger. </p><p>ASPEN MTN is supposedly honeycombed as well, but we don't recall seeing anything in the winter. There are mine tailings across the valley from TAOS. In BRECKENRIDGE there are mine tailings along the Blue River left by dredges. At KEYSTONE, many of the ski trails are named after mines in the vicinity. <br /></p><p>c. HEAVENLY VALLEY &quot;Olympic Downhill&quot; trail. JOHN (VT) asks (2nd time?) about the relationship of this trail to the 1960 SQUAW VALLEY Olympics. NONE. The Nevada side of Heavenly didn't open until 1967. H.V. held several World Cup races in the early 70's but none was a downhill. The &quot;Men's Olympic Downhill&quot; trail was opened in 1972, apparently built in an attempt to lure a World Cup downhill. Didn't happen and by 1978 the chairlift serving the lower portion of the trail was removed. The trail no longer has enough vertical for an FIS downhill course. [Suggesting a future trivia question: Which ski areas have closed/removed terrain, trails, and/or lifts?] <br /></p><hr /><h4>9. THE BUSINESS OF TCS NEWSLETTERS </h4><br /><p>a. Way back in Sep 1995 we counted the 400th different person to write to TCS. She was MELISSA, worked at OKEMO, and promised inside info. We like to hear from ski industry folks. Skip King, from Sunday River, is a regular reader/contributor, Kathy works for Doppelmayr, and there are a few patrollers from the NY, VT region. However, Melissa warned us of a temperamental E-mail reader and, sure enough, when Mark &quot;replied&quot; it wouldn't talk to us. Are you back on line, Mel? If we ever get caught up on our statistics, we should be up to 500 readers. This number is not to be confused with our E-Mail list which currently stands at 210 (plus the Ski-VT folks). <br /></p><p>b. NICK, (CA), a loyal TCS reader, helped to &quot;codify&quot; the psyche of a TCS reader and in particular a TCS Field Agent. He said: &quot;All TCS readers consider themselves deputized, armed, and authorized to investigate any and all matters related to movement on snow.&quot; Neat! Also, Nick says (about his latest ski trip): &quot;I poured over maps on the way up and while driving to the slopes my head swung from left to right in hopes of finding a rusty pulley, a piece of discarded tow rope, or a weathered sign indicating the last resting place of some long forgotten ski area&quot;. Wow! Are you guys up to his standards? </p><p>We have a new code to add: Where are our Mt Rose and Diamond Peak TRAIL MAPS, Nick? <br /></p><hr /><h4>10. SNAVELY'S SNIVELINGS </h4><p>[This is a new feature wherein we get to ask dumb questions like Andy Rooney or just rant and rave like Tom Magliozzi (the Car Guy).] <br /></p><p>a. Why are there no ski areas in SOUTH CAROLINA? Surrounding states like AL, GA, and NC have ski areas. The top elevation in SC is 3560 ft, contrasted with AL - 2405 ft and GA - 4784 ft. Why come? <br /></p><p>b. The Denver Post ran an article entitled &quot;MORK'S PLACE&quot; wherein they talked about the Victorian house in Boulder which was used for &quot;exteriors&quot; for the &quot;Mork and Mindy&quot; TV show. Mork, the alien, came to live at Mindy's house. Why isn't it called MINDY'S PLACE? </p><p>We used to ski with a couple named Mark and Mary who came to be called (of course) Mork and Mindy. Once when our gang was meeting for lunch at an on-mtn ski area restaurant we walked up to our table and asked &quot;Has anyone seen Mork and Mindy?&quot; Within 30 seconds a stranger ran over and asked us &quot;Are they really here? Are they skiing?&quot; Sure. <br /></p><p>c. Once we were sitting in an airport snackbar between planes wearing a ROSSIGNOL tie tack (Does anyone remember TIE TACKS? - we barely remember NECKTIES!). A stranger walked over and asked if we worked for Rossignol. This guy must have been very observant as the tie tack was about 1/4 inch in diameter. </p><p>SNEAKY TRIVIA - What IS the Rossignol logo? Hint - It features the French tri-color and an animal. What kind of animal? <br /></p><p>d. Tempus Fugit - Remember the Winter Olympics in Lilliput? Remember Tommy Moe, Picabo Street, Dan Jansen, and Dave's Mom? Last winter wasn't it? Wrong. The next Winter Olympics (held every four years) are only 10 months away! Time flies. <br /></p><p>e. Do you feel as old as we do? JOHN GLENN, the 2nd US astronaut in space and the first to orbit the Earth (you all must remember - it was on TV) has announced that he will not seek another term in the US Senate due to his age - He is 75. Aaaargh! [We watched Marques Johnson play for UCLA; his SON now plays for them. We watched Henry Bibby play for UCLA; his SON is the point guard for Arizona.] <br /></p><hr /><h4>11. FUNICULARS - FUN, FANCY, AND FUNDABLE </h4><br /><p>A reader asked why there are so many FUNICULARS at European ski areas, and none at U.S. resorts. After pondering the answer we have added two more parallel questions. Why are there so many CABLE CARS in Europe and only a few in the U.S.? And why does a typical European ski resort have lots of cable cars, funiculars, and T-bars and very few chairlifts and why does a typical U.S. resort have lots of chairlifts and no cable cars or funiculars? The answers can be divided into three areas: History, Geology, and Geography. <br /></p><p>HISTORY - There has been skiing in Europe for a lot longer than in the U.S. There was recreational skiing and ski races in Europe in the teens, 20's, and 30's. Except for some really early races in the CA gold country, skiing didn't become big in the U.S. until ski trains in the early 30's and ski lifts in the mid-30's. The rope tow was invented in 1932 and the T-bar in 1934. Before that, Europeans traveled to the ski slopes on trains and cog railways and once there, got up on the mountains via funiculars and cable cars. The chairlift was invented in 1936, but in the U.S. Please remember that back then communication and travel were much slower than today. By the time that Europe heard about the chairlift and came to the U.S. to see it, WWII had started (1939). The double chair was invented in 1947, also in the U.S. Once again, a delay before introduction in Europe. Summary: European ski areas used funiculars and cable cars because that's the only kind of ski lifts that were available when their ski industry started. In the U.S. we built chairlifts (and T-bars). <br /></p><p>GEOLOGY - Europeans ski in the Alps, which are new mountains, very steep and jagged. Sometimes the only way up into these type of mountains is via funiculars and cable cars. OTOH, the only steep, jagged mountains in the U.S. are the Rockies, Tetons, and Sierra Nevadas. There are 54 peaks over 14,000 ft in Colorado, and not one has a ski area. Ski areas tend to be on more manageable 11 and 12,000 foot peaks. And talk about difficult access. The Loveland, Copper, and Vail ski areas are actually ON freeways. Places like Breck and Aspen lie on decades old flat paved highways. </p><p>There are only two ski areas in the Tetons, Grand Targhee and Jackson Hole. And the exception that helps prove the rule, Jackson DOES have a tram. You geology fans will know that the great escarpment in the Sierras is only on the East side. On the West side where most of the ski areas lie, the terrain is quite peaceful. On the steeper East side there are only two ski areas, Mammoth and June and these are actually located on Sierra foothills. </p><p>In New England ski areas also lie on or close to freeways. In the middle west ski areas are created by paving a farmer's field for parking and throwing up a few lifts on the hill behind the barn. No access problems there. Summary: funiculars and cable cars are needed in Europe due to the rugged terrain and conversely are not needed in the gentler slopes of the U.S. ski country. <br /></p><p>GEOGRAPHY - Funiculars and cable cars are expensive to build, operate, and maintain. To justify their cost they need to operate not only in the winter and summer but in the fall and spring as well. That means there must be a large population nearby ready to ride. Europe has a population density far greater than the U.S. Proof: Let us compare the Alps with the Rockies on an area and population basis. We will define Europe to be France, Benelux, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Italy. The Rockies will be New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana. You will be amazed by the comparison. </p><p>Europe: 551,000 sq. miles. Population 236,000,000 </p><p>Rockies: 639,000 sq. miles. Population 9,000,000 </p><p>So the population density is 30 times as great in Europe. They have the folks to ride those funiculars and trams. Anecdote: Last Nov we attempted to visit the New England Ski Museum and ride the adjacent Cannon Mtn aerial tram. Neither was open. NH has a population of 1,100,000 hard working, non-tram riding, free souls. Summary: Europe has the population density to support the cost of operating funiculars and trams. The U.S. doesn't. </p><p>We hope this little essay answers the question. Next question? <br /></p><hr /><h4>12. EPILOG </h4><p>a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR first and last name) in your first E-Mail to TCS. Why? Because we asked you to. </p><p><em>Cheers from THE COLORADO SKIER (aka Snavely)</em> </p><p>&quot;TCS newsletters are supported, in part, by generous donations from skiers staying overnight in the Gerald Ford bedroom in the Presidential wing here at TCS publishing headquarters.&quot; <br /></p>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<h3>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER </h3><p>Researching &quot;lost&quot; ski areas is the hobby of THE COLORADO SKIER. We have reported our findings on COLORADO, the SOUTHEAST, NEW HAMPSHIRE, and are now doing VERMONT and WYOMING. Is your state next? </p><p>For more info on skiing and ski areas, check out our separately posted companion articles entitled: &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - TRIVIA&quot;, &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - SKI NEWS&quot;, and &quot;THE TCS LISTS&quot;. <br /></p>THE COLORADO SKIER<br />LOST &quot;COLORADO&quot; SKI AREAS - EDITION #23 - 24 February '97<br /><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: </p><p>A. In this issue we continue with &quot;Lost VERMONT&quot; and &quot;Lost WYOMING&quot;. </p><p>B. We had a little technical/administrative snag with our postings to &quot;SKI-VT&quot; last Fall. You can check our web page to see if you missed any issues. (There were Oct and Nov issues but none in Dec or Jan.) We think that the problem has been corrected. As for our failure to publish in Dec and Jan, excuses won't change anything. Suffice it to say: TCS is back! Try to contain your irrational exuberance. ;-) </p><p>C. Recently we received an entire shoe box full of ski area brochures and trail maps. Many thanks to PAUL T of Chester, NH for his contributions to the TCS collection. A quick glance shows about 12 maps/brochures for areas we didn't previously have, particularly in MA and NY. Also many more items of interest. </p><p>D. Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc. <br /></p><hr /><h4>1A. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF VERMONT </h4><p>Here is the info on the 10 VERMONT ski areas we listed last time. </p><p>{Copyright 1997, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.} <br /></p><p>BREAD LOAF MOUNTAIN SNOW BOWL (Bread Loaf), [name change], Located 10 miles east of Middlebury, on Hiway 125, near the town of Bread Loaf. Used this name in the 40's and possibly the 50's and then became MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE SNOW BOWL (still open). </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  600 ft          Base:  1500  	Lifts:  2 parallel rope tows	50m ski jump   </pre><p>BUNNY'S SKI TOWS (Woodstock), [name change], Located 3 miles north of Woodstock on VT 12. Original name for SUICIDE SIX started by Bunny Bertram in the 30's. 130 acres including &quot;Suicide Six&quot; run. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  650 ft	        Lifts:  4 rope tows   </pre><p>CHIPMAN HILL (Middlebury), [obscure], Early skiing (1940 to 1950) at Middlebury College in the town of Middlebury on Washington St. Open slopes. 30m jump. </p><p>COLD HOLLOW MOUNTAIN (East Enosburg), [very obscure], Located 2 miles south of town. On highway maps only, circa mid 60's. </p><p>DANVILLE SKI TOW (Danville), [very obscure], Located off US 2. On highway maps only in the 60's. </p><p>DUTCH HILL (Heartwellville), [name change], Located 2 miles south on Hiways 8/100. Opened around 1948. Changed name to DUTCH MOUNTAIN in 1977. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  570 ft   	Top:  2470          Base:  1900  	Lifts:  1 T-bar, 1 J-bar, 1 rope tow   </pre><p>EAGLE ROCK (W. Bolton), [obscure], Located 9 miles northeast of Richmond and south of W. Bolton. Formerly called OXBOW until 1977. Closed in 1978. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  ?  	        Lifts:  1 T-bar, 1 rope tow   </pre><p>GILBERT'S FARM (Woodstock), [closed], Historic home of the first rope tow in the US, in 1934, powered by a Ford Model T. Bunny Bertram moved operations to SUICIDE SIX a few years later. </p><p>GLEBE MOUNTAIN FARM (Windham), [name change], Located on &quot;Glebe Mountain&quot;. Changed name to TIMBER RIDGE in 1969. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  302 ft	        Lifts:  T-bar   </pre><p>GLENDALE (Newfane), [very obscure], Appeared on highway maps only, from 1964 to 1971. </p><p>Comments from Readers: HERY (NJ) remembers seeing signs for DUTCH HILL around 70-71. ADAM (VT) remembers BROWNELL MTN from his youth. It is located west of Hiway 2A south of Williston. Closed in mid-70's. <br /></p><hr /><h4>1B. Who remembers these Lost VERMONT Ski Areas? </h4><pre>  	GLEN ELLEN                         GOODRICH  	HARD'ACK SLOPES                    HAYSTACK  	HIGH POND                          HOGBACK MOUNTAIN  	JOHNSON COLLEGE SKI HILL           JUDGEMENT RIDGE  	LATCHIS HOTEL SKI SLOPE            LIVING MEMORIAL PARK	    </pre><br /><hr /><h4>1C. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF WYOMING </h4><p>Here is the info on the 10 WYOMING ski areas we listed last time. </p><p>{Copyright 1997, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.} </p><p>AMERICANA SNOW KING (Jackson), [name change], Temporary name for SNOW KING (still open) from 1983 to 1986 while it was operated by the &quot;Americana Snow King Resort&quot;, a large hotel at the base. The hotel and ski area are now called just Snow King. </p><p>BARRETT RIDGE (Ryan Park), [obscure], Located 22 miles southeast of Saratoga, on Hiway 130 near the town of Ryan Park. Appears in two 1949 books and on highway maps in the sixties. Was probably the same area as RYAN PARK. May also have been SNOWY RANGE (the old one). </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  875 ft	        Top:               Base:  8800  	Lifts:  chairlift,  2 rope tows   </pre><p>BIG HORN (Greybull), [name change], Located 38 miles east of Greybull on US 14 near Granite Pass. Temporary name for ANTELOPE BUTTE (still open) in 1984. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  900 ft	        Top:  8800         Base:  7900  	Lifts:  2 T-bars   </pre><p>CASPER MOUNTAIN (Casper), [name change], Early (40's, 50's) name for HOGADON (still open). Hogadon is located on &quot;Casper Mountain&quot; within Casper Mtn Park, 8 miles south of Casper. In 1960 the area was listed as &quot;Central Wyoming Ski Corp.&quot; and it was known as HAPPY HOGADON in the late 70's. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  400 ft	        Lifts:  2 rope tows   </pre><p>DIVIDE (Afton), [very obscure], Located on US 89 near the Idaho border. Shows up on many highway maps in the 50's and 60's. No data. It may have been resurrected as SNOWSHOE HOLLOW in the 80's. </p><p>EAGLE ROCK (Evanston), [open, sometimes], Located 15 miles east of Evanston, off I-80 on old US 30. Hard data from 1967 to 1989. Little since. Has one of the few SINGLE chairlifts left in the U.S. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  550 ft	        Lifts:  1 single chair, 2 rope tows   </pre><p>FORTIFICATION MOUNTAIN (Pinedale), [name change], Located on &quot;Fortification Mountain&quot;, 10 miles northeast of Pinedale off US 187. Sometime (63-66) name for a ski area which was also called SURVEYOR CAMP (1949, 1960), PINEDALE (late 60's, 70's), and WHITE PINE (70's &amp; 80's). Closed in 1987. </p><pre>	Base:  8600	                Lifts:  platter,  rope    </pre><p>FUN VALLEY (Greybull), [very obscure], Located 38 miles east of Greybull. Early name for ANTELOPE BUTTE (still open) until 1965. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  650 ft	        Lifts:  T-bar,  Poma   </pre><p>HAPPY JACK (Laramie), [closed], Located 15 miles east and south of Laramie and south of I-80. Operated from before 1963 to about 1977. May be a new name for SUMMIT which operated nearby. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  300 ft	        Top:  8600         Base:  8300  	Lifts:  2 T-bars, 2 rope tows    (Constam and Sneller T-bars)   </pre><p>JACKSON (Jackson), [name change], An early name for SNOW KING, circa 1949, 1962. 1949: &quot;Jackson on Snow King Hill&quot;. </p><pre>  Vertical Drop:  1400 ft	         Lifts:  chairlift,  2 rope tows,  20m &amp; 40m jumps  </pre><br /><hr /><h4>1D. Who remembers these Lost WYOMING Ski Areas? </h4><pre>    	LIBBY CREEK	MEADOWLARK  	MEDICINE BOW	MEDICINE WHEEL  	PINE CREEK	PINEDALE  	RYAN PARK	SINKS CANYON  	SLEEPING GIANT	SNOWSHOE HOLLOW      </pre><br /><hr /><h4>2. LOST SKI AREAS FOLLOW-UP </h4><p>a. New Reader MARCIA (MA) was climbing &quot;Mt Watatic&quot; in north-central Mass and encountered some ski runs and lift remnants. She had encountered an official &quot;Lost&quot; ski area. Here are the data: </p><p>MT WATATIC (Ashby), [closed], Located 4 miles west of Ashby, MA on Hiway 119. Old area - was operating as far back as 1949. Closed around 1983. </p><pre>	Vertical Drop:  550 ft          Top:  1800          Base:  1250  	Lifts:  Double chair, 2 T-bars  night skiing        40% snowmaking    </pre><p>b. SNAVELY AND SISSY EXPLORE NEW HAMPSHIRE - In November we had a chance to check out (up close and personal) a few lost NH areas: </p><p>HIGHLANDS - Located on Bear Hill Rd, 3 miles southeast of exit 19 off I-93 near Northfield. No one there when we visited. The area has 800 feet of vertical, a Borvig triple chair, and 4 surface lifts. A marginal area. Last season the snowmaking system failed. This season the owner called for skiers to buy season passes early so cash could be raised for repairing the snowmaking system. Apparently the ploy didn't work. A &quot;local&quot; told us the area would operate only if snow permitted, implying that there would be no snowmaking. </p><p>BRICKYARD - Closed 1984. This area was located adjacent to the summer tourist town of WEIR'S BEACH. We couldn't actually see the ski area even tho there is a road at the base. It is easily seen from the lake but it is a top-down area with the old &quot;base area&quot; (on top) buried behind some motels and other retail businesses. </p><p>KINGS GRANT - Closed 1983. Located at the KINGS GRANT INN at the intersection of highways 11B and 11C. Small area, 100 ft vertical and 2 rope tows. There are remnants of the tows and lights. </p><p>ALPINE RIDGE - Closed 1984. Was located at the entrance to (West of) the existing GUNSTOCK (formerly BELKNAP) ski area. Slopes are still visible but lifts have been removed. </p><p>COBBLE MOUNTAIN - Small area in the 1940's east of BELKNAP. The only memory is a stables by that name off the GUNSTOCK parking lot. </p><p>OSSIPEE MOUNTAIN - Closed 1992. Located just east of the town of Moultonboro. We couldn't find the ski area altho we were on the correct road and had a topo map. Apparently it sits just behind some current farms/summer homes. Anyone seen it? </p><p>MT WHITTIER - Closed 1983. Located in W. Ossipee at the intersection of Hiways 16 and 25. Fun place to visit. This is the one that had the gondola running over the highway (NH 16). After the ski area closed the gondola continued to operate as a tourist attraction. It is closed now but the base terminal is a gift shop and there are old gondola cars outside. The labels say &quot;Gerhard Mueller&quot; (Switz.). We didn't previously know that MUELLER built gondolas. Possibly the only one in the U.S. There are many Mueller chairlifts in Canada. The lift towers and cables are still in place. Off Hiway 25 is the main base. The old rope tow slopes are part of a defunct water park. The main T-bar slopes and base lodge are fenced and posted. </p><p>BTW, Gerhard Mueller received a patent for the rope tow in 1932 in Switzerland, the first known patent for a ski lift. </p><p>c. LOST MASSACHUSETTS? - Two readers asked about or suggested lost MA ski areas. This could be the next state after Vermont - or maybe MAINE or NEW YORK. Be thinking about your preference. </p><p>d. Of more immediate concern is which ROCKY MOUNTAIN state should follow Wyoming. We are thinking about MONTANA but could do IDAHO or UTAH if there is more immediate interest. Cast your vote NOW. <br /></p><hr /><h4>3. TRIVIA QUESTIONS FOLLOW UP </h4><p>a. SUNRISE, SUNSET... - We never did answer this trivia question from a few years back. If the SHORTEST DAY of the year is 21 Dec, why is the EARLIEST SUNSET on 7 Dec and the LATEST SUNRISE on 4 Jan? ANSWER: It's mostly geometry. In astronomy circles (or ellipses) calculations are made assuming that the sun is a single point. For real people (excluding astronomers) the sun has a finite width. From the time that you first see the top of the disc until the entire disc is above the horizon is about 3 minutes. During that 3 minutes the Earth has rotated. The geometry works out such that the center of the disc is lowest on 21 Dec but the top edge follows the dates indicated above. Now you may be thinking that this is just mathematical mumbo jumbo and doesn't really affect anything. Not true. We really do perceive sunrise when the sun's disc first rises above the horizon and it really does start getting light out. </p><p>That was a very brief overview. If you would like a detailed 10 page treatise on the subject, send 2 Wheaties box tops and $2.00 in stamp or coin to General Mills, Box 1313, Minneapolis, Minn. Act quickly and you will also receive a FREE Captain Midnight Decoder Ring. </p><p>b. SNEAKY TRIVIA - In what popular TV commercial does an older man (an artist) say: &quot;Great Googley Moogley&quot; ? (sp?) <br /></p><hr /><h4>4. SKI NEWS (Updates only - other news in previous issues) </h4><p>a. RAGGED MOUNTAIN, NH - has installed their triple chair (obtained from the defunct KING RIDGE ski area) on a new peak, &quot;Spear Mountain&quot;. There are 5 new runs, with snowmaking. </p><p>b. TENNEY MOUNTAIN, NH - This area closed several years ago, then reopened as LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN for 3 seasons, and has recently been dormant. This season they re-opened with a new owner - looking good. </p><p>c. HIGHLANDS MOUNTAIN, NH - This area, near Northfield, off I-93, has been barely surviving and last year lost their snowmaking capability. They may operate this season with natural snow. </p><p>d. PICO, VT - The former owners of this old, historic area declared bankruptcy and, for a time, things looked bleak. However, several readers advised us that &quot;American Skiing&quot; stepped in to rescue the area and it did open by Christmas. AMERICAN owns 7 other New England ski areas. [Is the &quot;Magnificent Seven&quot; now the &quot;Great Eight&quot;?] </p><p>e. KILLINGTON, VT - Revision: There are TWO new HS quad chairs, &quot;Ram's Head&quot; and &quot;Needle's Eye&quot;. Two readers sadly noted that both chairs fail to go as high on the mountain as their predecessor double chairs - a bad sign. There are also 2 new surface lifts at Ram's Head and an access FG quad (&quot;Northbrook&quot;) from the bottom of Needle's Eye to the top of Snowshed. </p><p>f. According to our Doppelmayr correspondent, Big &quot;D&quot; has installed the following new lifts (besides those previously mentioned): </p><ul><li>BOGUS BASIN, ID - detachable quad </li><li>BIG SKY, MT - detachable quad </li><li>DIAMOND PEAK, NV - fixed grip quad </li><li>SIERRA-AT-TAHOE - 3 detachable quads (gee, they had 3 quads already, pretty impressive upgrade) </li></ul><p>g. VAIL - Lots of Vail news. Last time we said VAIL had received &quot;final&quot; approval for the new bowls. Of course, it wasn't final and there was another review - of possible impacts on traffic and such. When Vail assured the Forest Service that 900 new skiing acres would only re-distribute the existing skiers and no NEW skiers would result, the naive Forest Service once again approved the expansion. </p><p>The Federal Government has also approved the merger of VAIL ASSOCIATES with RALCORP, owners of Breck, Keystone, and A-Basin. We guessed that BRECK would have to be sold off (for anti-trust reasons). However, the Government ignored the effects on destination skiers and, only looking at the effect on lift ticket prices for Front Range Skiers, made Vail sell off A-BASIN. Front range (Denver) skiers mostly ski Winter Park, Loveland, A-Basin, Keystone, Breck, Copper, and Vail. Vail would have owned 4 of those 7 areas, but now will only own 3. Also see &quot;VAIL&quot; under &quot;Builder's Emporium&quot;, below. </p><p>h. GEORGE GILLETT (former owner of VAIL) has been busy acquiring ski areas. His company, Booth Creek Ski Holdings, which recently bought 2 areas in NH and 3 in CA, has now acquired &quot;THE PASS&quot; (Alpental, Hyak, Ski Acres, and Snoqualmie) in WA, and GRAND TARGHEE in WY. </p><p>i. INTRAWEST - current owner of BLACKCOMB (BC), has now purchased the adjacent WHISTLER ski area and COPPER MTN (CO) to add to their several ski areas in Canada and the U.S. Big bucks coming at Copper. </p><p>j. We can't wait for the new BUMPER STICKER: &quot;He who dies with the most ski areas, WINS.&quot; </p><p>k. BIG SKY, MT - In &quot;Snowriders&quot; a Lone Peak tram car is blown out of the sky. Funny scene. Unfortunately reality is much sadder. In December, a patrolwoman was killed when an avalanche charge exploded prematurely. In another incident, a patrol caused avalanche moved down off Lone Peak and took out the &quot;Shedhorn&quot; chairlift. It will be closed for several weeks. Thanks to our field agent JACK for the sad info. </p><p>l. COOPER SPUR, OR - The base lodge at this old and historic ski area on Mt Hood burned to the ground. The ski area remains open. <br /></p><hr /><h4>5. BUILDER'S EMPORIUM </h4><p>a. THEMED CHAIRLIFTS - Last issue we mentioned the &quot;kite&quot; themed chairlift hovering over a new roller coaster in Wildwood, NJ. We guessed that it was a DOPPELMAYR. KATHY D says no, it's a POMA. Does that mean that the &quot;themed&quot; triple at &quot;Blizzard Beach&quot; at DISNEY WORLD is also a Poma? The theming there is snow-ski chairlift with &quot;skis&quot; attached to each chair (which actually serves water slides). Upon review we now realize that our method for telling a Poma apart from a Doppelmayr only works for detachable quads. </p><p>b. THE NEW VAIL GONDOLA - &quot;Is cable here to stay?&quot; Have you ever thought about how you connect the ends of the lift cable after you string it over all the tower wheels? You can't tie the ends in a knot; welding the ends together would never hold; a large clamp would never fit thru the wheel assemblies. What they do is overlap the cable ends by several feet and splice them together. You probably know that a cable is made up of smaller cables which are made up of individual wire strands. An expert (always from Switzerland) unravels the two cable ends and then weaves them back together in some mysterious manner. Splices never come apart. </p><p>VAIL, however, did have some adventures with cable splicing on the new Lionshead gondola. Imagine a 3 mile long cable, weighing many tons, and the tension it must take to keep the cable taut during the splicing. The two ends are held by giant &quot;clamps&quot; (we have no idea what these look like). Well, one of the clamps slipped and many feet of cable scraped thru it, becoming unusable. So, a new 1,000 foot section was ordered (from Switzerland, of course) and inserted, now requiring TWO splices. But then, after splicing, it was determined that the cable was too loose. So a section had to be cut out and still another splice made. (Do &quot;splicers&quot; get paid by the hour?) </p><p>All this took time. The gondola, which was supposed to open in Nov, didn't open until mid-Dec. And all this time the LIONSHEAD base area was closed because of the danger to skiers passing beneath the cable. Lionshead is the prime early skiing terrain for Vail, as VAIL VILLAGE has no beginner/intermediate runs (except cat-tracks) and the new GOLDEN PEAK quad chairlift was not operational, either. Bad luck. </p><p>That new Golden Peak quad chair is unique. It goes on up to the base of chair 11, thus allowing quad travel to the mountaintop in only two quad hops. But it also has to serve &quot;Golden Peak&quot;. So, there is a midway unloading area. The HS chair has to detach and slow down for unloading and then re-attach to a high speed cable for the remaining journey. It also changes direction at that point. This is the first time we have heard of a midway stop on a detachable. </p><p>c. THE MIGHTY MAX - Vail wasn't the only ski activity with startup problems. MAX (Mountain Air Express) was supposed to start flying from COS to the ski towns in early December. However, due to bad weather they didn't get in enough &quot;proving&quot; runs with their Dornier turboprops to satisfy the FAA. They thought about using their parent WESTPAC's 737's to fly the routes until they realized they didn't have any mountain qualified 737 pilots (Duh!). So they paid to send their own customers on competitor United! MAX was flying by late December. </p><p>Here's a curiosity: There is ANOTHER &quot;Mountain Air Express&quot; which flies from Long Beach, CA to Mammoth Lakes and Lake Tahoe. </p><p>d. TO THE MAX - The world's highest and longest tram (cable car), dormant for several years, is now up and running again. The &quot;Merida Telepherique&quot; travels to the top of Mt Espejo (15,629 ft) in Venezuela. The total length is 8 miles. Two 45 passenger cars. </p><p>e. &quot;HIGH ROLLER&quot; is a roller coaster which runs atop the 1,000 ft STRATOSPHERE TOWER in Las Vegas. On 27 Dec a wheel came off one car and tumbled to &quot;the concrete&quot; below. We assume this was the observation deck, not the street. Within 7 hours &quot;engineers&quot; pronounced the train safe to operate again. These are the same engineers who had pronounced the train ready to operate that morning. </p><p>f. Thought for the day: Any chairlift whose chairs are painted yellow or light blue is really, really old. <br /></p><hr /><h4>6. POTPOURRI </h4><p>a. FUNICULAR CRASHES - A cable on the QUEBEC CITY funicular broke, sending a brakeless car crashing down to the station below, killing one and injuring several tourists. Sad. <br /></p><p>b. SNOWRIDERS - This is the latest &quot;Warren Miller&quot; (actually his son does them) film, no different than the last 30 except for the snowboards. Lots of sponsor plugs (at one point the skiers wrapped a taxi with sponsor logos) and this years airline of choice was WESTPAC (Western Pacific). Our own Boris recognized &quot;himself&quot; (sort of) in the flic. There was a scene of a snowshoe race with a mass start where everyone fell, 50 feet out - remember? Before that scene was a close-up of a racer tying his boots and attaching his snowshoes. Those were the unmistakable Boots of our own BORIS (aka Mark). </p><p>There was a scene of a backyard rope tow area in Mass. Does anyone remember where that was? (town and highway were identified) Also there was a scene in Scotland with a sideways double chair. Is that the one in CAIRNGORM? (addressed to our friends in Great Britain) <br /></p><p>c. WRONG, FUNNY, OR ODD </p><p>1) Last Fall, many newspapers carried an article about BIG SKY, MT. The cutline under a picture mentioned the magnificent view: &quot;... it's 11,150 feet to the valley floor&quot;. Wrong. The top of Lone Peak is 11,150 feet but the surrounding valley is at about 7,000 feet. Therefore it's more like &quot;4,000 feet to the valley floor&quot;. </p><p>2) The &quot;Alta Powder News&quot; described a ceremony honoring EARL A. MILLER, inventor of the 10-way release &quot;Miller&quot; bindings and also the &quot;ski break&quot;! Well either the bindings had severe side effects or the reporter meant to say &quot;ski BRAKE&quot;. Funny. <br /></p><p>d. LAS VEGAS - The new large metal roller coaster at the NEW YORK, NEW YORK hotel has been renamed from &quot;The Big Apple&quot; to &quot;Manhattan Express&quot;. The hotel opened on 3 Jan. We were there on 28 Dec and the coaster was being tested. Over and over again, with no passengers. We should have volunteered to be a sandbag. This one is 203 feet tall, second in height only to the nearby &quot;Desperado&quot; (209 ft). <br /></p><p>e. TOM MOORE is alive and well. We hadn't heard from our oldest and most frequent correspondent since early August. Seems he is busy and also the victim of too much incoming mail. Hadn't noticed our E-Mails or Newsletters amongst the chaff. And now he is off to Africa to safari and to climb Mts Kenya &amp; Kilimanjaro. (E-Mail by cell phone?) <br /></p><p>f. &quot;SNO&quot; - Did you guys all get your free copy of this new magazine from American Skiing? It is edited by no less than our old friend SKIP KING from Sunday River. Lots of glossy color pictures and ski articles and only a slight bias towards the many ASC ski areas. But, it's free (so far). A little snow bird told us that Skip's picture appeared. At first we thought he was on page 55 (getting dressed) but we finally found him for sure on page 60 (working out). <br /></p><p>g. SECRETS OF THE BATCAVE REVEALED - We decided that it would be easier on those of you that want to send trail maps, etc., if we stopped hiding our S-Mail address. So here it is: &quot;The Colorado Skier 1021 Garlock Lane Colorado Springs, CO 80918-3115&quot; <br /></p><hr /><h4>7. FROM THE MAILBAG </h4><p>a. Reader JAY (NY), wants to know why the HARRIMAN CUP ski race at SUN VALLEY is no longer held. Actually there are several races from that era which are gone including: ROCH CUP at Aspen, SNOW CUP at Alta, SILVER BELT at Sugar Bowl, SILVER SKIS at Mt Rainier, and the GOLDEN ROSE at Mt Hood. We think it's mostly due to the WORLD CUP. </p><p>In the 30's, 40's, and 50's there were only two world class ski events: the WINTER OLYMPICS, held every 4 years, and the FIS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, held in most alternate years. Altho major racers trained for those events, they were free to compete in other regional races in Europe and the U.S. the rest of the season. In the World Cup format there are several race events each season and points are awarded for relative finish in each race. The racer with the most points at the end of the year wins the World Cup. Since racers have to compete in all or most of the races to obtain points, they have no time for the regional races. Without the racing stars, the regional races lost their glamour and died off. FWIW, the first World Cup season was 1966/67 and was won by Jean Claude Killy, and Nancy Greene. </p><p>There was a more specific reason in re the Harriman Cup. The cup was named for Averell Harriman, Chairman of the Union Pacific RR. In Dec, 1964, Union Pacific sold SUN VALLEY to the Janss Corp (best known for creating Westwood Village next to UCLA in L.A.). The last Harriman Cup was held in March 1965. Cause and effect. <br /></p><p>b. JAY also wanted to know who WON the various HARRIMAN CUP races. Well, the event was held over 20 times, with 3 races for each gender, meaning there were over 120 winners. Please be more specific, Jay, or send me your S-Mail address for the whole list. HIGHLIGHTS: As was typical of race events of the era, there was a slalom race and a downhill race and the racer with the best results in the &quot;combined&quot; (both races) won the cup. DICK DURRANCE and CHRISTIAN PRAVDA each won the cup 3 times. Other prominent winners were Friedl Pfeifer, Jimmie Huega, and Buddy Werner. On the distaff side, Andy (Mead) Lawrence won the cup twice and other winners included Gretchen Fraser and Barbara Ferries. [Great questions, fun research!] <br /></p><p>c. Reader CARL (CA) found a CENTER POLE QUAD at SKI SUNRISE, CA. It was made by RIBLET and looked old. Our records indicate that that quad was installed in 1979. The &quot;midwest&quot; center pole quads we had spotted earlier include: SUNDOWN, IA, 1979; VILLA OLIVIA, IL, 1977; and INDIANHEAD, MI, 1969. <br /></p><hr /><h4>8. &quot;SUN VALLEY SERENADE&quot; (1939) </h4><p>This is a great movie. We highly recommend it to fans of skiing, skating, music, comedy, and just plain movie buffs. The movie stars Sonja Henie, John Payne, and Lynn Bari, with Milton Berle and Joan Davis for laughs, along with the Glenn Miller orchestra. This is one of only two movies that Miller did. Appearing with his band are Ray Anthony on trumpet, Tex Beneke on vocals, The Modernaires with Paula Kelly, and the dancing Nicholas Brothers with Dorothy Dandridge. Most of the movie takes place in SUN VALLEY, with many skiing and skating scenes. This movie is shown every afternoon at the Opera House at Sun Valley resort. </p><p>Rent the movie or watch for it on AMC. Next time we will discuss some rather strange aspects of the making of the movie. <br /></p><p>Speaking of Movies, two have been filmed in Colorado recently. &quot;THE SHINING&quot; will be coming to TV. It was filmed at the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park. The original Stephen King story took place at the Stanley but the Hollywood version used the Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood for exteriors. The other TV movie is called &quot;ASTEROID&quot;. It is a cheap disaster movie. Most of it was filmed in Denver, with Denver standing in for Dallas and Kansas City. </p><p>&quot;JACKIE CHAN'S FIRST STRIKE&quot; has a skiing, snowboarding, snowmobile sequence. The ski area was supposed to be in the Ukraine. Signs used Cyrillic characters but in the background of one scene there was a signpost all in English. It pointed to the &quot;Scott Chair&quot;. Since the rest of the movie took place in Australia we guessed the snow scenes were done there. Sure enough, at: FALLS CREEK, east of Melbourne in the &quot;Victorian Alps&quot;. One character was played by &quot;John Eaves&quot; whom we recognized as a prominent stunt skier. According to the credits he did stunt skiing and was the skiing stunt coordinator. </p><p>As you probably know, Jackie Chan does all of his own stunts. Before the movie he had never snowboarded (actually he didn't look very good). And yes, he actually did ride off the cliff and catch the helicopter skid. He repeated the stunt 7 times to get the right shot. He also fell from the chopper into the water 8 times (with a wet suit - but for the close-ups he had to take it off). </p><p>Oh yeah, was the movie any good? Roger Ebert says it looks like it was made by 13 year olds for 13 year olds. We loved it! <br /></p><hr /><h4>9. CAR TALK </h4><p>In the last issue we listed the many U.S. cars made by Japanese companies (and vice versa). Follow-up: Reader CHIP (MA) once saw a bumper sticker on a GEO Spectrum (Isuzu) which said &quot;People who buy foreign cars are traitors&quot; Dumb! FWIW, the &quot;GEO&quot; line of Japanese cars will now be called &quot;Chevrolets&quot;. Whatever. </p><p>One of the worst cars ever built was the Lincoln Versailles, which was really a Mercury Monarch with added chrome and leather seats. The public didn't buy it. GM tried the small luxury car gambit by converting a Chevy Cavalier into the &quot;Cadillac&quot; Cimarron. The public didn't buy it. Now GM is trying again with the Cadillac CATERA. This time it isn't a Chevy, it's an OPEL Omega. Would you buy an imitation German Cadillac, when you could buy a real BMW or Mercedes? <br /></p><hr /><h4>10. EPILOG </h4><p>a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR first and last name) in your first E-Mail to TCS. Why? Why not? </p><p><em>Cheers from THE COLORADO SKIER (aka Snavely)</em> </p><ul><li>&quot;In summer we live off the tax losses we suffer in winter&quot; </li><li>Ernie Blake (discussing the early days at TAOS) </li></ul>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<h4>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER</h4><p>This is part of a series on Ski Area News. It is posted separately from our companion series on &quot;LOST SKI AREAS&quot;, &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - TRIVIA&quot;, and &quot;TCS LISTS&quot;. Check 'em out. <br /><br /></p>THE COLORADO SKIER -- SKI NEWS 12 (17 Nov 96)<br /><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: <br /></p><p>A. It seems like the right time of year to do a &quot;Ski News&quot; edition. Time to remind you about what you might find out there. Actually we have been doing &quot;ski news&quot; tid-bits for several issues and this will be a recapitulation (huh?) of the major news items. </p><p>B. Many thanks to JEFF STRAIT, of Williamstown, MA, for sending a brochure/trail map for the MT. GREYLOCK SKI CLUB (MA) ski area. </p><p>C. TCS Newsletters have a new Web address. See Section 9. <br /></p><hr /><h4>1A. SKI AREA NEWS - GET YOUR KICKS IN 96 </h4><p>NEW ENGLAND </p><p>a. KILLINGTON, VT - Is replacing the Ramshead double with a HS Quad and is adding a cross-peak access chair. </p><p>b. TENNEY MOUNTAIN, NH - Closed in 1990 but re-opened under a new owner as LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN for 3 more seasons to 1993. It did not operate the last 3 seasons. Now the condo owners at the base have made an offer to buy and reopen the ski area. No current status. </p><p>c. MAGIC MOUNTAIN, VT - Has a new owner and was planning to re-open this December. However, some environmental cleanup delayed the startup. Things still look good for next year, however. </p><p>d. PICO, VT has declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy - the banks own it. This is very sad. PICO is one of the oldest ski areas in the country. They opened about 1936 with rope tows and added the first T-bar built in the U.S. (a Constam) in 1938. The area was run by the MEAD family and daughter Andrea Mead became a successful and famous ski racer. </p><p>COLORADO <br /></p><p>a. WINTER PARK, CO - Is replacing Colorado's slowest chairlift, &quot;Olympia&quot;, with a HS Quad. It's about time. </p><p>b. LOVELAND VALLEY, CO - Is replacing their main doublechair with a fixed grip quad - no new terrain. </p><p>c. VAIL, CO - New larger base lodge at Golden Peak. HS Quad from there to the base of Chair 11. New 12 passenger gondola at Lionshead. No way the lodge or gondola will be ready by opening day (IMHO). [Latest guess for the gondola is 28 Nov. VAIL opened on 8 Nov.] </p><p>d. BEAVER CREEK, CO - Has added a HS Quad and several trails in the &quot;Bachelor Gulch&quot; terrain. This will allow the interconnection of ARROWHEAD and BEAVER CREEK (this season). </p><p>e. BRECKENRIDGE, CO - Is building an &quot;access-only&quot; doublechair. It will run from the Kings Crown condo area (near the bottom of &quot;Four O'clock run&quot;) to a ridge between Peaks 8 and 9. There will be skier facilities and a bus stop, but no skier parking. The chairlift will have a 45 degree turn - most of any fixed grip chairlift in the world. </p><p>f. KEYSTONE, CO - Allows snowboards this season. They have added a halfpipe and terrain garden (with night lighting). That will leave ASPEN MTN as the only ski area in Colorado banning snowboards. BTW, the snowboard park is called &quot;Area 51&quot;. Cute. </p><p>g. COPPER MTN, CO - Is adding another double chair (the old &quot;I&quot; lift) in the (new last year) &quot;Copper Bowl&quot; terrain. </p><p>h. STEAMBOAT, CO - Is adding new terrain (&quot;Morningside Park&quot;, behind Storm Peak) with a triple chair and several new trails. </p><p>i. TELLURIDE, CO - Will &quot;finally&quot; open the town-to-mountain village gondola. This will be the fourth year in a row that we have announced this gondola opening. :-) [Fact: We first saw it in Sep, 1993] </p><p>j. CUCHARA VALLEY, CO - Is for sale and the current owners have decided NOT to operate for the 96/97 season, sans sale. We noticed that the &quot;Public Relations Director&quot; from last season is now billed as the &quot;Area Manager&quot;. She is probably the only employee left! <br /></p><p>ROCKIES </p><p>a. RED LODGE, MT - Is expanding into the &quot;Cole Creek&quot; terrain this season with two HS quads and several runs. </p><p>b. BIG SKY, MT - Is replacing one of their two ancient gondolas with a Doppelmayr HS Quad. </p><p>c. DEER VALLEY, UT - The &quot;Wasatch&quot; double becomes a HS Quad. </p><p>d. PARK CITY, UT - Is replacing a Yan Quad (&quot;Prospector&quot;) with a &quot;Six-Pack&quot;, and will allow snowboards. </p><p>e. WOLF MOUNTAIN, UT - Has announced 96/97 &quot;plans&quot; to add two new Quads and new terrain. Does anyone know if it happened? </p><p>f. JACKSON HOLE, WY - Replaces the Teewinot double with a HS Quad. </p><p>g. GRAND TARGHEE, WY - Is upgrading the &quot;Bannock&quot; double to a HS Quad and the &quot;Shoshone&quot; double to a FG quad. </p><p>h. SKI RIO, NM - Has declared bankruptcy, once again. This is a really neat area in terms of vertical, terrain, and lifts, but is just too far away from population and transportation centers. <br /></p><p>WEST COAST </p><p>a. ALPINE MEADOWS, CA - Will replace a Yan HS Quad (&quot;Summit&quot;) with a Six-Pack, and will allow snowboards. </p><p>b. MOUNT SHASTA SKI PARK, CA - Is adding a 3rd triple chair. </p><p>c. MT BACHELOR, OR - Is opening the long planned &quot;Northwest Passage&quot; terrain with 468 new acres served by a HS quad. </p><p>d. TIMBERLINE, OR - Is replacing the &quot;Palmer Chair&quot; with a quad. The chairlift will serve the Palmer Snowfield in the spring and summer and maybe some times in the winter (during the rare times of light winds and good visibility). </p><p>e. MT. HOOD MEADOWS, OR - A new chair in the Andromeda Bowl. <br /></p><p>CANADA </p><p>a. WHISTLER, BC - Is replacing the &quot;Quicksilver&quot; HS Quad with a six- place gondola. That was the Yan chair that failed last season, killing two skiers, and injuring several more. </p><p>b. APEX, BC - Reader JACK (WA) reports that the BC Provincial Government has &quot;called&quot; a major loan that Apex can't afford to pay off. Their upcoming season is at the mercy of the Government. </p><p>c. SUNSHINE, ALB - Is adding another HS quad. <br /></p><hr /><h4>1B. SKI AREA NEWS - LONG RANGE EXPANSION PLANS </h4><p>a. VAIL - Has received &quot;final&quot; permission from the Forest Service to do the CAT III expansion which includes north facing bowls out past the current back bowls. The FS chopped them back from 1000 to 850 acres and from 4 to 3 lifts. Vail is tinkled pink and plans to start work next summer and open in 1998. </p><p>b. TELLURIDE - Received FS permission to add several lifts and expand onto several new peaks, including Gold Hill and Palmyra Peak. Plans are long-range. (Millennium unknown) </p><p>c. STEAMBOAT - Will expand along &quot;Pioneer Ridge&quot;, which is to the left of the existing ski area as you look up from town. Snowcat tours this season. </p><p>d. STAGECOACH (near Steamboat, CO), which folded back in 1974, has been obtained from the creditor and will open this year as a cross- country area with snowcat tours. There are plans for adding lifts. </p><p>e. CATAMOUNT, a planned NEW area near STAGECOACH, was proceeding nicely thru the permit process when the principal investor withdrew. The owners of OKEMO (VT) [Diane and Tim Mueller] came to see the &quot;area&quot; this summer and late word is that they have decided to invest, as part of a diversified investment group. (Catamount lives!) </p><p>f. BERTHOUD PASS, CO - Has been closed for several seasons, but now has a new owner and will re-open next season. Of the three new lifts installed by BORVIG a few years back, two still remain, plus the base lodge. BORIS reports that there is already repair work being done on the base lodge - probably to secure it for the winter. </p><p>g. CRESTED BUTTE, CO - In a rare move for a ski area, has canceled plans for expansion onto &quot;Snodgrass Mountain&quot; (name change in order?). Seems that the locals don't want the expansion. Not for environmental reasons, but just because they don't want growth. Affordable housing, cheap beer, and all that. </p><p>h. SOLDIER MOUNTAIN, ID - Actor BRUCE WILLIS and his family live in Hailey, Idaho (near SUN VALLEY). He is busy taking over and remaking that town. Now Bruce has purchased the SOLDIER MTN ski area (near Hailey) and plans to spend big bucks on expansion. It is a given that all vehicles will be equipped with &quot;Diehards&quot;. (Ooh, bad!) <br /></p><hr /><h4>2. SKI AREA NEWS - OTHER </h4><p>a. EARLY OPENINGS - KILLINGTON opened on 4 Oct. As per usual, they closed four days later. Their openings are more like publicity stunts than real skiing. The cameras were whirring and the wire services were humming. The &quot;Whole New Animal&quot; (a pussycat?) finally reopened on 1 Nov, way back in the pack. SUNDAY RIVER (ME) also opened on 1 Nov. </p><p>In Colorado, KEYSTONE led the way with a 21 Oct opening. Not much &quot;skiing&quot;, tho. Mostly boarding, or so it seemed. LOVELAND opened on 22 Oct, and BRECKENRIDGE recorded their earliest opening ever, on 25 Oct. Elsewhere, MT HOOD MEADOWS (OR) also achieved their earliest opening ever, on 21 Oct. In Utah, PARK CITY opened early to the huzzahs of the newly enfranchised riding crowd. </p><p>b. ASPEN has announced the highest lift ticket price in the country at $56! Only gold cards are accepted - no ordinary cash, please. VAIL lags behind at a paltry $52. We have mentioned in the past that ALTA, UT generally has a lift ticket price which is HALF that at Vail. This year Alta will be at $27 which is close - and is UNDER half of Aspen's price. Only skiing at Alta, tho. No condos or fur coats. </p><p>c. WESTERN PACIFIC, the Colorado Springs discount airline, has formed a subsidiary airline called MOUNTAIN AIR EXPRESS (MAX) which will start flying in December to Gunnison (Crested Butte), Montrose (Telluride), Eagle (Vail), Aspen (Aspen), Durango (Purgatory), and Hayden (Steamboat). Advanced purchase prices will be $69 from Colo. Springs. Even better, you can fly from any WestPac city to COS and connect with a MAX flight for only $119 (one way), early on. BTW, the latest WestPac &quot;logo plane&quot; represents PURGATORY/Durango. </p><p>d. GEORGE GILLETT - Once owned and ran VAIL. He lost Vail Associates when his meat packing business and TV stations went kaput. This year GILLETT bought MT CRANMORE and WATERVILLE VALLEY (NH), the two ski areas left out of the big American Skiing merger. He also bought 3 ski areas in California (NORTHSTAR, SIERRA-AT-TAHOE, and BEAR MTN) formerly owned by the Fibreboard Corp. <br /></p><hr /><h4>3. LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP </h4><p>a. To keep loyal reader BILL WALKER (San Diego) amused we try to mention his favorite ski area, GRANLIBAKKEN, in every issue. Recently we stated that the previous name of the ski area was &quot;OLYMPIC HILL&quot;. Here is a clarification. &quot;OLYMPIC&quot; HILL (Tahoe Tavern, CA) was started in 1928 by a group that was trying to land the Winter Olympics in 1932, at the same time as L.A. was (successfully) bidding for the Summer Olympics. The bid failed but Olympic Hill continued to be used for ski jumping contests and slalom races. In 1948 it was decided that a bigger hill for recreational skiing was needed. So GRANLIBAKKEN was built NEXT TO Olympic Hill. The latter area was retained for jumping. A closer inspection of our old highway maps reveals the name &quot;Olympic Hill &amp; Granlibakken&quot; rather than &quot;Olympic Hill/Granlibakken&quot;. Clear? </p><p>b. New reader KEVIN (GA) writes to point out that the correct complement of lifts at the ADDISON PINNACLE (NY) Lost Ski Area is T- bar, Poma, and rope tow. He learned to ski there and now golfs at &quot;Pinnacle&quot;. He says that there are still lift remnants. </p><p>c. MT GREYLOCK, MA - In response to a reader question we discussed the famous &quot;Thunderbolt Trail&quot; once used for downhill races. We also mentioned a small lift-served area on Mt. Greylock once operated by Williams College, principally for slalom races. That area still operates. New reader JEFF STRAIT, Vice-President of the &quot;MT GREYLOCK SKI CLUB&quot; sent us a brochure/trail map. It indicates an opening date of 1932 making it one of the oldest ski areas in the country. [BTW, hope everyone saw the article on the Thunderbolt Trail in Nov SKI.] </p><p>d. TRIVIA IS EVERYWHERE - Recently we found a used book on the flora and fauna of New Mexico. One of those little books with the color drawings that make it easy to determine whether it was a falcon or a hawk that flew off with your cat (!). The copyright date was 1955 and the book also listed ski areas, including a new one to us, &quot;TRES RITOS&quot;. Now, there is a town called &quot;Tres Ritos&quot; near the current SIPAPU ski area, which was formerly known as AGUA PIEDRA. </p><p>About the same time, we were reading a neat book on the history of TAOS and founder ERNIE BLAKE. The first lift (1955/56) at &quot;TAOS SKI VALLEY&quot; was a German &quot;Ski-Kuli&quot; (?) with 300 feet of vertical. The second year (56/57) they installed a T-bar obtained from the &quot;Tres Ritos Ski Club&quot; which raised the vertical to 900 ft. It seems that the Bolander family who operated TRES RITOS decided to close and move to a better ski area location where SIPAPU is now. A little more checking revealed that it was Tres Ritos, not Sipapu which carried the name &quot;AGUA PIEDRA&quot;. We love it when trivia comes together! </p><p>A few days later we scored a 1942 highway map of New Mexico. It contained some &quot;lost&quot; areas like Cedar Creek, McGaffery, Hyde State Park, and La Madera. Also, another new one called EL RITO. This one was located a few miles north of the town of El Rito which is about 40 miles west of Taos. The area had a rope tow and no base lodge. </p><p>e. SOOOOEY! New reader CHARLES (city unknown) says that he knows of TWO former ski areas in ARKANSAS. You got us by one, slick. We'll show you ours if you show us yours. Ours is: <br /></p><ul><li>MARBLE FALLS (Dog Patch), [closed], Located on Hiway 7 south of </li><li>Harrison. Operated from about 1973 to 1977. </li><li>Vertical Drop: 220 ft Top: 3000 Base: 2780 </li><li>Lifts: 1 chairlift, 3 rope tows 100% snowmaking </li></ul><p>Note: There is a &quot;WHITEWATER&quot; ski area, but not in Arkansas. <br /></p><hr /><h4>4. BUILDERS EMPORIUM </h4><p>a. In the interest of fairness and (hopefully) accuracy, here is more on the Yan bullwheels. LIFT ENGINEERING, the manufacturer of Yan ski lifts until 1994 (the company is now under bankruptcy protection), issued a Service Bulletin recommending that all Yan bullwheels be INSPECTED for a faulty weld and that FAULTY welds be replaced, and also that all of the welds be replaced within a &quot;few years&quot;. KEYSTONE CHOSE to replace all welds this year. Other ski areas elected to &quot;inspect&quot; the welds (with bullwheels in place) and postpone serious repairs until next summer. One problem which hindered &quot;in-place&quot; inspections was the heavy bracket which keeps bullwheels from falling off their axles. This bracket was added to Yan lifts after a bullwheel fell off a Yan lift at KEYSTONE some years ago (when a different weld failed). BTW, the Colorado inspections revealed faulty bullwheel welds at Keystone, Copper, and Vail. Other states ????? </p><p>STEAMBOAT originally planned to just do an &quot;ultrasound&quot; until experts pointed out that that test would only determine the sex of the lift. So, instead, they are doing an MRI, which will not only reveal cracks but will also determine how well the lifts' knees can handle the bumps this season. BTW, we will ride Yan Fixed Grip lifts this season but you won't see us on a Yan Detachable Quad. </p><p>b. Hey guys, can we get on the same page? Last year we discussed the &quot;tram&quot; at the MIRAGE Hotel in Vegas and someone asked about the &quot;monorail&quot; at BALLY'S. So this year we checked that out and reported on it. So, of course, this time someone asked about the tram at the Mirage! To review, it is a relatively level-tracked funicular/cable car. One car is drawn back and forth between the two hotels (Mirage and Treasure Island) by cable. No on-board operator, but there are attendants at the loading stations. </p><p>c. TALLY-HO? - While we were researching the &quot;Milwaukee Road&quot; ski train to the MILWAUKEE ROAD SKI BOWL (now HYAK) we came across a description of a strange ski lift (in 1946): &quot;The TALLY-HO SKIBOGGAN CHAIR LIFT is an innovation which is creating great comment among all ski enthusiasts. In comparing this revolutionary chair lift with others which normally accommodate 285 people an hour, the Skiboggan will accommodate a capacity of 1440 skiers an hour. This lift may be used by non-skiers, as one may ride down the lift as well as up. .... In addition to this lift, there will be three other ropetows, and a sled tow pulled on a cable, the latter of which will be made accessible from the top of the Skiboggan ....&quot; Is there no end to the supply of STRANGE LIFTS ??? </p><p>d. BRIDAL VEIL FALLS AERIAL TRAM - This small but steep tourist attraction near Provo, UT was seriously damaged by an avalanche last winter. One of our ace Utah field reporters (ED, who helped us with lost &quot;Cedar Canyon&quot;) reports that the tram is still &quot;hors de combat&quot;. It seems that the owner had no insurance and can't afford to rebuild. <br /></p><hr /><h4>5. THE SUN VALLEY STORY </h4><p>Many of you know the story of COUNT FELIX SCHOFFGOTSCH who traveled the West looking for the perfect location for a ski area and discovered the site we now know as SUN VALLEY (ID). One reader asked the trivia question: WHAT LOCATION CAME IN SECOND? Here is what we know: The Count was hired in 1935 by the Union Pacific RR at the request of COB Averill Harriman to find a suitable resort. Harriman wanted the UP to have a destination resort to advertise, much like the Santa Fe RR advertised the Grand Canyon. </p><p>The count had four criteria: 1) The usual large vertical and good snow; 2) Close to a UP railhead; 3) Open ski terrain like in Europe rather than the old, narrow, logging road trails common to New England; 4) No existing ski area - so as not to disturb current skiers and to cut down on the likelihood of weekend skiers. </p><p>The Count first checked on PARADISE LODGE, on Mt Rainier. It met all criteria except that it had a current ski area. Ironically that area no longer operates. It rained the whole time the Count was in Oregon so he didn't even bother skiing on MT. HOOD. SO. CALIF had insufficient snow and was too close to L.A. The mountains near SALT LAKE CITY had existing ski areas and were too close to SLC. YOSEMITE was all federally owned. One very promising area was JACKSON HOLE. It basically met all the criteria. However, the railhead was on the other (west) side of Teton Pass and the Wyoming Highway Dept. would not promise to keep the pass open in the winter. </p><p>In Colorado, the Count declared BERTHOUD PASS too windy, and STEAMBOAT SPRINGS was too remote. While the Count was in CO, his traveling companion, a UP employee, was having a few drinks in Boise with the head of the IDAHO Highway Dept. The latter suggested KETCHUM. Lots of snow, big mountains, and not only a nearby UP main line, but even a branch line into Ketchum. So they called the Count and arranged a car trip to Ketchum. The first day they got stuck in heavy snowdrifts and had to be plowed out. The next day the Count found a big valley, suitable for hotels, golf courses, tennis courts, riding stables, ice rink, etc. And there were small hills for beginner skiing and ski schools. The 3rd day the Count hired a guide and climbed up and skied on the big mountain, Mt. Baldy. He had found nirvana. </p><p>That spring (1936), the UP bought 4,000 acres of Ketchum land for about $10.00 an acre. That summer the Lodge was built, and the ski area opened in December, 1936 with the first two chairlifts in the world. The rest, as they say, is history. The answer to the trivia question? We don't know but would have to guess Jackson Hole. <br /></p><hr /><h4>6. POTPOURRI </h4><p>a. SPOOL CHUCKERS OUR KNOT PURR FACT - Last time, in the tag, we meant to say Ten Commandments and said &quot;Ten Commandants&quot; instead. Probably because we had just finished watching &quot;Hogan's Heroes&quot;. [Or is that &quot;Kommandant&quot;?] So, ARE there 10 Commandments in the metric system? A reader says &quot;10&quot; IS metric. In British units there are 12. </p><p>b. SKI UTAH - Has a billboard west of Denver which says: &quot;If you were in Utah, you'd be skiing by now.&quot; This refers to the fact that from the SLC airport to Brighton/Solitude or to Alta/Snowbird it is about 45 minutes, whereas from DIA to Summit County is about 90 minutes. So, how far up I-70 into the mountains is this billboard? Actually it is IN Denver. Think about it. From DIA to I-70, then to East Denver, then downtown, then to West Denver. 45 minutes easy. </p><p>c. BILL MAROLT, former AD at CU is now the head of &quot;US Skiing&quot; which controls the US Ski Team. Mr. Marolt is well known in CO. He has a long career as a ski racer, ski coach, and sports administrator. In March 1965, at the 22nd Harriman Cup in Sun Valley, Marolt came in 8th in a downhill race. Significance? A fellow named JEAN CLAUDE KILLY came in 9th in the same race! We bet Bill has the framed race results in his office. [For the record, Karl Schranz won the race.] </p><p>d. THE 96 VOTE - Our local school district had a question on the ballot which asked us to raise property taxes to support a bond issue. Taxes were to be raised &quot;... for FIVE years only ... in the 1996-1997 budget year and in each budget year thereafter through and including the 2001-2002 budget year.&quot; So? That's SIX budget years! The money was for school buildings. It should have been for math teachers! </p><p>e. HILL LIFT or LIFT HILL? - Recently we received a magazine with the picture of a chairlift on the cover. Why unusual? Because this was &quot;RollerCoaster&quot; magazine. The new wooden coaster: &quot;A Great White&quot; at Wildwood, NJ has a chairlift running thru and OVER it (100 feet above the sand). The chair appears to be a Doppelmayr fixed-grip triple. (Kathy D?) According to the text the lift is the &quot;prototype Flying Kites cable-lift ride&quot;. It appears that each chair has a (plastic) &quot;kite&quot; attached to the top. The lift ran CCW. [ :-) ] <br /></p><hr /><h4>7. FROM THE MAILBAG </h4><p>a. MYSTERE - Last time we talked about this great show in Vegas. SKIP (Sunday River) has seen several &quot;Cirque de Soleil&quot; shows including the &quot;new&quot; one QUIDAM. He is impressed, too. </p><p>b. HOW MANY COLLEGE SKIERS WILL FIT INTO A GONDOLA-SHAPED PHONEBOOTH? SKIPPY laughed, nay, guffawed when one of our trivia questions listed the 12 passenger gondola at STRATTON. 12!!! he cried incredulously! &quot;Maybe 12 anorexic pygmies in running suits, but not 12 skiers in ski clothes!&quot; He reminds us that WHISTLER uses the identical cars and only claims 10 passengers. [How embarrassing - Our skilift records say (for Whistler) &quot;same as Stratton&quot; and yet we never even thought about 10 vs 12] FWIW, we have climbed inside the new &quot;12 skier&quot; cars at VAIL. They &quot;seat 9 and stand 3&quot;. Looks like they can, to us. </p><p>Anecdote: We saw the VAIL car at a ski show. We asked the VAIL representative who made the cars. &quot;Doppelmayr?&quot;, he ventured. &quot;They make all the quads.&quot; We checked the labels: The cars are made by &quot;CWA&quot; (who make all gondola cars these days). The system was built by &quot;Garaventa-CTEC&quot;. Perhaps we should volunteer as a docent. </p><p>c. DAVE (Troy, NY) says he has hiked the MT RAIMER (NY) ski area and would like to see a trail map. We have none. Actually, the ski area operated under three names (from about 1964 to 1981): PETERSBURG PASS, MT RAIMER, and TACONIC TRAILS. If anyone has a map, please make TWO copies and send them to us and we will send Dave one. <br /></p><hr /><h4>8. CAR TALK - NAME THAT CAR </h4><p>Do you really know which company built the car you are driving? Many vehicles are built by companies other than the one whose nameplate they carry. Here are some examples: <br /></p><p>FORD - What car is more American than the FORD PROBE? Actually the Probe is a joint Ford/Mazda design based on the MAZDA MX-6. It is built of Mazda and Ford components and is assembled in a Mazda plant in Flat Rock, MI. </p><p>MERCURY VILLAGER and NISSAN QUEST are twins built in the U.S. jointly by Ford and Nissan. </p><p>The FORD ASPIRE is a MAZDA design and is built in Korea by KIA. </p><p>The MAZDA NAVAHO is actually a 2-door EXPLORER built by FORD. </p><p>The MAZDA B2000 pickup truck is really a FORD RANGER with a Mazda nameplate. This is turnabout, as the original Ford mini-truck, the COURIER, was built by Mazda. Likewise the Courier competitor, the CHEVY LUV, was built by Isuzu as the ISUZU PUP. <br /></p><p>GENERAL MOTORS builds all of their own cars, except the small car GEO line. The GEO TRACKER is really the SUZUKI SIDEKICK. The GEO PRIZM started as the CHEVY NOVA and was a clone of the TOYOTA COROLLA. The GEO METRO (formerly CHEVY SPRINT) is also built by Suzuki and is based on the SUZUKI SWIFT. And, the CHEVY CAPRICE is really --- ugly! :-) </p><p>The SUZUKI HOMBRE is the CHEVY S pickup, built in Brazil. <br /></p><p>CHRYSLER - builds about half of their model line. There is the ubiquitous minivan in its Plymouth, Dodge, and Chrysler versions and the 4-door sedan which, with different sheet metal, becomes a Dodge, Eagle, or Chrysler. The NEON is also U.S. designed/built. However: </p><p>The CHRYSLER SEBRING and DODGE AVENGER are coupe versions of the MITSUBISHI GALANT built in Illinois by Mitsubishi. (Note: The SEBRING convertible is a different vehicle, based on the CHRYSLER CIRRUS.) </p><p>The EAGLE TALON is built by Mitsubishi as the MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE. The EAGLE SUMMIT is actually the MITSUBISHI MIRAGE (and was previously the DODGE COLT). </p><p>The DODGE STEALTH is, of course, the gorgeous MITSUBISHI 3000GT. </p><p>The DODGE VIPER is actually a MARTIAN EARTH ROVER. 8-) <br /></p><p>JAPANESE inter-island items - The HONDA PASSPORT SUV is actually the ISUZU RODEO, built in the U.S. by Isuzu. Turnabout: The ISUZU OASIS minivan is built by HONDA as the ODYSSEY. </p><p>The ACURA SLX is really the ISUKU TROOPER (or as actress Rosie Perez calls hers: the &quot;Eye-Zoo-Zoo Twoopa&quot;!) </p><p>The new ultra-luxurious LEXUS LS 450 and INFINITI QX4 SUVs are really the TOYOTA LAND CRUISER and the NISSAN PATHFINDER, respectively. <br /></p><hr /><h4>9. EPILOG </h4><p>a. Please provide your city name (and your own name) when FIRST writing to TCS. It makes our statistics more complicated. </p><p><em>Cheers from The Colorado Skier (Member I.S.H.A., AAA, PPRR, YWCA)</em> </p><p>&quot;To Infinity and Beyond!&quot; Buzz Lightyear <br /></p>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<h4>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER</h4><p>This is part of a series on Skiing and Ski Area TRIVIA. It is posted separately from our companion series on &quot;LOST SKI AREAS&quot;, &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - SKI NEWS&quot;, and &quot;TCS LISTS&quot;. Check 'em out. <br /></p>THE COLORADO SKIER TRIVIA - EDITION #22<br /><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: <br /></p><p>A. JEFF (MT) sent us still more Montana ski area brochures. He is getting to be a repeat offender, er, uh, repeat contributor. We really appreciate it, Jeff. Shortly before we went to press we received a large care package of trail maps from regular reader ADNY (IL/NY). Most were from the Midwest, including 15 maps from areas we didn't previously have. That's an instant 6.3% increase in our collection. Neato! </p><p>B. Your latest E-Mails contained lots of eclectic comments. A good read for us. Fun. </p><p>C. This time around we will be mentioning things from our recent vacation trips including: ski area news; the lost ski areas of Mt. Charleston, NV; a Las Vegas update; and some ski books we picked up in California. <br /></p><hr /><h4>1. *** NEW *** TRIVIA QUESTIONS </h4><p>a. Each state has a &quot;point of highest altitude&quot;. Are any of these &quot;highest points&quot; sites for formal ski areas? [not true for CO (Mt Elbert), CA (Mt Whitney), or AK (Mt McKinley)] </p><p>b. At which SKI AREAS are the following ski runs? </p><p>o Model T, Continental, Rambler, Riviera, Thunderbird </p><p>o Broadway, 7th Ave, Park Ave, Fifth Ave, 42nd St </p><p>c. In the U.S. there are 4, 6, and 8 passenger gondola cars and at STRATTON (soon at VAIL) 12 excited, friendly, and hopefully well- showered skiers can ride together. Question: Where are/were there 2 and 3 passenger gondolas? </p><p>d. How were the following folks involved with skiing or the ski industry? Jim Curran, C. Minot Dole, John Jay, Fred Pabst, Count Felix Schoffgotsch </p><p>e. NOSTALGIA QUESTION - How many SKI AREAS have some kind of BIRD name in their title? </p><p>BONUS ONE: Survey - How many of you have had to be RESCUED from a skilift? (For us, once) </p><p>BONUS TWO: Survey - In your part of the country (like where you grew up) what do you call a non-alcoholic, sweet, carbonated BEVERAGE? </p><p>BONUS THREE: &quot;What better way to spend an autumn afternoon&quot;. WHO (often) said that and WHAT were they referring to? </p><p>AUTOMOTIVE TEASER - Do you really know which company built the car you are driving? Many vehicles are built by companies other than the one whose nameplate they carry. One good example is in the news these days: The ACURA SLX is really an ISUZU TROOPER, &quot;badged&quot; as an Acura. The mix is often between Japanese and U.S. companies. A general rule of thumb: If it looks sporty, it is Japanese. If it is a truck (minivan, SUV) it is U.S. built. Examples in the next issue. <br /></p><hr /><h4>2. TRIVIA 21 ANSWERS </h4><p>a. Name five or more SKI AREAS with the word &quot;SUGAR&quot; in their title. </p><p>ANSWER: SUGAR BOWL, CA; SUGAR LOAF, MI; SUGAR MOUNTAIN, NC; SUGARBUSH, VT; SUGARLOAF, ME </p><p>GUESSES: PETER (VT), DENIS (VA), JAN-ERIK (OR), and ERIC-2 (NY) got all five U.S. areas. ERIC-1 (NYC) had to borrow one from Canada. BTW, ERIC-2 found them by searching his own (GoSKI!) website at &quot;http://www.goski.com&quot; </p><p>b. Where does the SKI TURN name &quot;Stem Christie&quot; come from? </p><p>ANSWER: Short answer - A combination of two turns, the &quot;stem&quot; or STEERED turn, and the &quot;Christie&quot; or SKIDDED turn. &quot;Christie&quot; is short for &quot;Christiania&quot;, named after a town in Norway (now called Oslo) where the turn was supposedly invented. </p><p>Long answer: Stem Christie is the 3rd step in a series of turns in the old &quot;American&quot; system of ski teaching. The turns are: </p><p>SNOWPLOW (or &quot;wedge&quot;, or &quot;Vee&quot;) Continuous snowplow with turns made by transferring weight to the ski opposite the direction of turn. </p><p>STEM - Parallel traverse across the slope, then &quot;stem&quot; the uphill ski out to a snowplow position, transfer weight to uphill ski, snowplow turn, at completion of turn bring (new) uphill ski back to parallel. </p><p>STEM CHRISTIE - Parallel traverse, stem uphill ski, transfer weight to uphill ski, immediately move unweighted downhill ski out parallel to weighted ski and complete the turn as a skidded turn with skis parallel. </p><p>CHRISTIE - (or &quot;parallel christie&quot;) - Parallel traverse, unweight both skis, twist ankles/knees in direction of turn, reweight and complete parallel skidded turn. [Next month - &quot;unweighting&quot;] </p><p>Long Answer 2 - The &quot;Telemark&quot; turn (used when skiing downhill on skis with cross-country bindings) was invented in Telemark, Norway. Most folks assume that the Christianiars invented the &quot;Christiania&quot; turn in order to beat the Telemarkers in slalom races. However, one book we read (written by a Norwegian, so possibly biased) admits that the &quot;C&quot; turn was first used in a race in Christiania and the users did indeed beat the &quot;T&quot; turners. However, the author points out that the users of the new ski turn were also from Telemark! Therefore both of the two most popular ski turns in use today were invented in Telemark. In any case they both came from Norway. </p><p>[Should we point out that only 3 Norwegian men (and no women) racers using either turn have won an Olympic alpine ski race? 8-) ] </p><p>GUESSES: Several folks knew the turn and about Christiania/Oslo. </p><p>c. WHERE are the following ski trails and WHOM were they named for? Gibson, Jill's Run, Debbie's Gold, Perry Merrill </p><p>ANSWERS: </p><p>GIBSON - MT. CRANMORE, NH, named after HARVEY GIBSON who brought Hannes Schneider from Austria to run the Mt. Cranmore ski school back in the late 30's. </p><p>JILL'S RUN - MAMMOTH MOUNTAIN, CA, named after JILL KINMONT, badly injured ski racer (subject of the book and movie &quot;The Other Side Of The Mountain&quot;), who now teaches school in a town near Mammoth.) </p><p>DEBBIE'S GOLD - ALPENTAL, WA, home ski area for DEBBIE ARMSTRONG who won Olympic Gold in the 1984 Giant Slalom. </p><p>PERRY MERRILL - STOWE, VT, named after the State Forester who laid out ski trails for the CCC to build at Stowe in the late 30's. </p><p>GUESSES: Several of you knew PERRY MERRILL, but not the others. JOHN (VT) knew Debbie Armstrong but guessed Sun Valley. John also pointed out that there is a &quot;Perry Merrill Ave &quot; trail at JAY PEAK. </p><p>d. Name 5 or more (past and present) U.S. chairlift MANUFACTURERS. </p><p>ANSWER: Borvig, CTEC, Hall, Heron, Riblet, Thiokol, YAN [Note: POMA (France) and Doppelmayr (Austria) don't count.] </p><p>GUESSES: JOHN (VT) got 5, counting &quot;Constam&quot;, which possibly was a U.S. company. JAN-ERIK guessed six correctly and added &quot;Bent Bros&quot;. You may recall that Bent Bros made systems with WOODEN chairs which rotted in the snow and used &quot;cables&quot; made of HEMP (which, of course, had to be replaced daily). :-) </p><p>e. NOSTALGIA QUESTION: There are two operational SINGLE CHAIRLIFTS in the U.S. At which SKI AREAS are they located? </p><p>ANSWER: (Snowcrest at) KRATKA RIDGE, CA, and MAD RIVER GLEN, VT. </p><p>GUESSES: 6 of you knew MRG, and 2 knew KRATKA. JOHN (VT) and JAN- ERIK named both. BENJIE (CA) - not only knew them both but rode both chairlifts last ski season. Cool! </p><p>BONUS ONE: Open Question - What are the most popular names for bunny slopes? (&quot;Broadway&quot; and &quot;Main Street&quot; come to mind) </p><p>ANSWER: Many readers suggested &quot;Easy Street&quot;. Also: Sesame Street. </p><p>Note: Reader DENIS (VA) liked FANNY HILL at SNOWMASS. Be aware that Snowmass also has a bunny run named ASSAY HILL. (cute!) </p><p>BONUS TWO: (Survey/poll) You're moving and decide to foist off accumulated junk on your neighbors instead of moving it. You neatly arrange the stuff in the garage and driveway and on the lawn and place a sign out front with TWO WORDS. What are they? </p><p>ANSWER: In the East it is YARD SALE. In the West it is GARAGE SALE. Reader JMK (CT) says TAG SALE is used in CT. We heard that term used in Maine, this summer. [Others: Estate sale, rummage sale] </p><p>Why the difference between east and west? Well, in the east, a typical house has a giant front lawn, a side gravel driveway and a garage out back. In the west, a typical house has a small front lawn half occupied by a short concrete driveway leading to a garage which dominates the front of the house. So, in the east the sale items really are in the &quot;yard&quot;, whereas in the west, the items are in the garage and in the driveway. The lawn/yard has sprinkler heads (if there is grass), or cactus, or rocks. </p><p>GUESSES: There were regional votes, folks who know both names, and some non-travelers who said: &quot;YARD Sale, what else!&quot; and &quot;Easy: GARAGE Sale!&quot; </p><p>BONUS THREE: How many &quot;U.S. owned&quot; TIRE COMPANIES can you name? </p><p>ANSWER: GOODYEAR is U.S. owned. They have subsidiaries called &quot;KELLY- SPRINGFIELD&quot; and &quot;LEE&quot;. COOPER is also a U.S. company. Two readers mentioned &quot;HOOSIER&quot;. They apparently make racing tires. All of the other popular tire brands are made by foreign owned companies. FIRESTONE was acquired by BRIDGESTONE in 1988. B.F. GOODRICH (now called BFGOODRICH) is a special case. Goodrich is still a U.S. company. However, in 1987 they sold off their TIRE business to an independent group which also acquired UNIROYAL. Eventually, in 1990, the Goodrich/Uniroyal tire business was picked up by Michelin. </p><p>Here is the breakdown: </p><p>GOODYEAR (U.S.): Kelly-Springfield, Lee </p><p>BRIDGESTONE (Japan): Firestone, Seiberling </p><p>SUMITOMO (Japan): Dunlop (formerly England) </p><p>YOKOHAMA (Japan): Mohawk </p><p>CONTINENTAL (Germany): General Tire, Semperit (formerly Austria) </p><p>MICHELIN (France): Goodrich, Uniroyal </p><p>PIRELLI (Italy): Armstrong </p><p>GUESSES: Just about every tire brand was guessed as a U.S. company. BILL H and JAN-ERIK came closest to observing that Goodyear is pretty much it. <br /></p><hr /><h4>3. LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP </h4><p>a. A reminder that OUR definition of &quot;Lost Ski Areas&quot; has SIX categories, including NAME CHANGE. Therefore, for example, we would list &quot;TIEHACK&quot; as a &quot;lost&quot; ski area even tho the area itself still operates, under the name &quot;BUTTERMILK&quot;. Some of you were bummed because we listed &quot;AMERICANA SNOW KING&quot; (WY) as a lost area. Fear not, SNOW KING is still alive and well. Admittedly this is a trivial example of a name change which we might better have ignored. Sorry. </p><p>b. CAMP HALE, CO - The average skier would probably say that the 10th MTN DIV learned to ski at COOPER HILL ski area, about 5 miles from Camp Hale. True, but we have also read about a ski slope &quot;at the upper end of Camp Hale&quot; and that the rope tows were moved to WINTER PARK after the war. Case solved: The interpretive signs in front of the Camp Hale valley mention that the three long streets were named A, B, and C and that at the upper (south) end of B Street lies a ski area which was called &quot;B-SLOPE&quot;. Sure enuff, heavy lenses revealed very definite slopes. Heavy rain kept us from hiking the area. </p><p>c. TENDERFOOT HILL, CO - We had spotted the parking lot to this defunct area near Cripple Creek from the top of Pikes Peak. When we drove there the parking lot was gated and posted &quot;no trespassing&quot;. Bummer. However, from the highway we could see two of the ski lifts still standing. Remarkable, considering the area has been closed for over 30 years. About 500 ft vertical, one T-bar, two rope tows. </p><p>d. MT. CHARLESTON, NV - Taking time out from wasting time and money on slot machines, we drove up to the mountains, wasting time and gas money on lost ski areas. There are two canyons leading up to Mt. Charleston: Lee Canyon, and Kyle Canyon. Lee Canyon contains an operational ski area called LEE CANYON. It has 3 chairlifts, 1020 ft of vertical and some nice looking runs. We stopped at a FS visitor center in Kyle Canyon and determined that the old ski area called KYLE CANYON was located at the end of Echo Rd, near the Mary Jane Falls trailhead just short of the highway end at Charleston Lodge. This is right where reader TOM (CA) said it was. Tom and the FS agent agreed that there were lift remnants. (We did not hike it) </p><p>We also asked about the alleged &quot;gondola&quot; on Mt. Charleston. The guide produced a scrapbook full of newspaper clippings which showed: In 1961, the &quot;Swiss-American Cableway Co.&quot; planned to build a &quot;gondola&quot; up Mt Charleston to serve skiers and sightseers. The description sounded more like a tram/cable car (two 20 passenger cars) than a gondola. The cableway was never built. </p><p>e. LOST NY - New reader STEVE was curious about a lost ski area near Addison, NY in the Pinnacle State Park. Conveniently enuff, it was called &quot;ADDISON PINNACLE&quot;. It operated about 1972 to 1979 and had 722 feet of vertical with 3 T-bars and a rope tow. </p><p>Reader CRAIG (NH) - passed on some info on &quot;HAPPY VALLEY&quot;, operated by Alfred St College, in Alfred, NY. We only had it operating from about 1973 to 1980, but Craig remembers it from the sixties. 350 ft vertical and the lifts included a chairlift and a rope tow. </p><p>f. MONT BLEU, KS - New reader WALTER (from ?) asked about this lost area. We have it as 1967 to 1982, 230 ft vertical, and 2 T-bars, one rope tow. Another reader thought that they used to have a chairlift and sold it to an upstart Missouri area. We haven't confirmed that. Maybe that story fits with GREENWOOD (east of Wichita) which did have chairlifts. </p><p>g. Someone asked about the ski area in ALLEGANY STATE PARK near Salamanca, NY. We haven't finished our New York lost ski area research (and may never finish - the count is up to 128 lost areas, more than for Colorado) yet, but we did know that the ski area in question was called BOVA. The reader says fine, but there were actually TWO ski areas. Well, that has been on our minds ever since and we have finally found a few references (data from 1965): </p><p>BOVA - Vertical Drop: 234 ft Lifts: 3 rope tows 3 open slopes </p><p>BIG BASIN - Vert Drop: 208 ft Lifts: 1 platterpull 5 trails <br /></p><hr /><h4>4. SKI AREA NEWS </h4><p>a. RED LODGE, MT - If you had a trail map for RED LODGE you would notice two shaded areas marked &quot;future expansion&quot;. The &quot;Cole Creek&quot; area on the right will open this season with two HS quads. Neat! </p><p>b. WINTER PARK, CO - is replacing Colorado's slowest chairlift, &quot;Olympia&quot; with a HS Quad. It's about time. </p><p>c. LOVELAND VALLEY, CO - After two more visits we have finally determined that the new chair is a fixed grip quad. It will replace an existing double - no new terrain. </p><p>d. VAIL - Two visits there reveal slow progress. In early Sep, they were still removing the old gondola at Lionshead. In late Sep, the gondola was gone and footers had been poured for the new lower gondola terminal. In early Oct there were pix of the new gondola towers being set into place. No way this will be done by their early NOV opening date. Fortunately there are HS quads up the same route. </p><p>The new base lodge at Golden Peak (the one with the $50,000 parking spaces in the basement) is still just structural steel. It might be open by Christmas if they work hard. </p><p>e. GEORGE GILLETT - Some of you may remember this man who once owned and ran VAIL. He lost Vail Associates when his meat packing business and TV stations went kaput. In early Sep, it was announced that he and his sons had bought MT CRANMORE and WATERVILLE VALLEY (NH), the two ski areas that Les Otten was forced to sell to complete the big merger. Then, in late Sep it was announced that Gillett had bought 3 ski areas in CA (NORTHSTAR, SIERRA-AT-TAHOE, and BEAR MTN) formerly owned by the Fibreboard Corp. Ole George doesn't give up easily. </p><p>f. KILLINGTON opened on 4 Oct. As per usual, they closed four days later. Their openings are more like &quot;crushed ice in Central Park&quot; publicity events than real skiing. At least they are predictable. KEYSTONE AND LOVELAND started making snow in late September. There was real snow falling at the time. However, we are just finishing a delightful two week Indian Summer season. Keystone stopped making snow to avoid wasting water and electricity. (Soon, we promise!) </p><p>g. ASPEN has announced a regular lift ticket price at $56! (How much does bowling cost?) </p><p>h. LONG RANGE EXPANSION PLANS - VAIL has received &quot;final&quot; permission from the Forest Service to do the CAT III expansion which includes north facing bowls out past the current back bowls. The FS chopped them back from 1000 to 850 acres and from 4 to 3 lifts. Vail is tinkled pink and plans to start work next summer and open in 1998. </p><p>TELLURIDE received permission to add several lifts and expand into/onto several new gulches and peaks, including Gold Hill and Palmyra Gulch. Plans are long-range. STEAMBOAT will also expand, with one lift and terrain coming this season. </p><p>STAGECOACH (near Steamboat, CO), which folded back in 1974, has been obtained from the creditor and will open this year as a cross-country area with snowcat tours. There are plans for adding lifts. </p><p>CATAMOUNT, a planned new area near Stagecoach, was proceeding nicely thru the permit process when the principal investor withdrew. The owners of OKEMO (VT) came to see the &quot;area&quot; this summer to see if they might want to invest. No word on their decision. <br /></p><hr /><h4>5. BUILDERS EMPORIUM </h4><p>a. YAN-1 - Since the YAN chairlift disaster last season, all of the YAN HS Quads (or at least their grips) are being replaced. We have been trying to track all of the known YAN (HS) lifts (curiously there are none in Colorado). At DEER VALLEY, UT the &quot;Carpenter&quot; YAN HS Quad has been replaced by a &quot;Garaventa CTEC&quot; HS Quad. We can't figure out what happened at KILLINGTON. A reader reported last season that several individual chairs were removed during the inspection of their quad. But, no replaced HS Quad at KILLINGTON this season. They must have opted for the grip replacement solution. </p><p>b. YAN-2 - Now a new problem. LIFT ENGINEERING (former builder of YAN skilifts) issued a Service Bulletin requesting that all YAN chair bullwheels (on FG chairs) be rewelded in a certain spot. According to the DENVER POST, the bulletin affects 45 YAN chairs in Colorado. So far only KEYSTONE has decided to reweld bullwheels on all nine of their YAN chairs. VAIL is doing one of their three. Other ski areas are just inspecting their welds. KEYSTONE, you may remember, had a YAN bullwheel fall off its axle back in 85. Several injuries and one death. That's why they are being so prudent - and crowing about it, that is, suggesting that this procedure HAS to be done and ski areas which don't are endangering the skiing public. We will report when the first bullwheel fails (and we won't be riding them)! 8-( </p><p>c. MT BEACON, NY - Long time reader ERIC (NYC) first reported an old &quot;tram&quot; up Mt Beacon, and then corrected it to a &quot;cog railway&quot;. Recently he and his Father (they are very close) climbed Mt Beacon and discovered - aha! - that it really was a funicular (inclined cable railway). It was built in 1902 by Otis Elevator and rises 1200 feet. Eric reports that most of the track is overgrown and hidden. Once again the East vs West difference in moisture and growth rates. The Manitou Incline (here) has been closed about 10 years and we guarantee you that 50 years from now it will be easily visible. </p><p>Eric and Daddy also climbed over the defunct DUTCHESS ski area which is slightly more visible due to active mountain biking. Thanks for the excellent field report, Eric, and thank your Dad for still taking you on field trips :-). What about the MT BEACON ski area? Visible? </p><p>d. LAS VEGAS MONORAIL - PC Jr and I rode the monorail between the MGM Grand and Bally's hotels. It is large and modern and slow and bumpy. It looks like the Alweg types at Disneyland. According to a reader, this particular unit was originally used at Disney World (and was built by Bombardier). </p><p>e. MT. HOOD AERIAL SKI BUS - Would you believe that 3 people actually knew about this oddity of the early 50's! LARRY (OR) has seen pictures for sale at Wy'east Day Lodge at TIMBERLINE. PAT (OR) has seen the pix and the lower terminal, now part of the Thunderbird Inn. &quot;LCM is MDS&quot; (no name given) actually rode the bus as a youth. 10 cents a ride for kids - many 2 mile runs in a day. {If anyone can find a decent picture for less than $10, please let us know.) </p><p>f. In the collection of trail maps from ADNY we noticed not one, not two, but actually three different quad chairlifts with just one center pole with two seats hanging out on either side. Who makes those? <br /></p><hr /><h4>6. TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP </h4><p>a. THE SNAVELY CLAN - The puzzle was to determine our real surname by matching a mountain, street, and town in Maine. Two readers solved. We asked JAY how he did it. Easy, he said. Loaded up &quot;DeLorme's Street Atlas USA&quot; on his Mac, picked a likely Mtn near Bar Harbor, matched it to a street in B.H. and then matched it to a town. The whole process took 3 minutes. Aren't computers wonderful? </p><p>We offered a trail map to the winner. Both wanted really old stuff. We started skiing in 1964 and that's pretty much as old as our collection gets. Oldest for SUNDAY RIVER is 1981, Skip. For Jay we can do ALTA or SUN VALLEY around 1966. BTW, To their credit, both winners said only if we had a spare. (THX) </p><p>b. BORON - Several readers said that &quot;Boron&quot; is a name that SOHIO used outside of their core service area. Maybe SOHIO in OH, IL, IN, and BORON in PA, NY. Thanks. </p><p>c. SKI TRAIN - A friend in North Bend, WA mentioned a ski train thru her parent's property. We traced it to the &quot;Milwaukee Road&quot; RR which went thru the Snoqualmie Tunnel to the &quot;MILWAUKEE ROAD SKI BOWL&quot;, now the HYAK ski area. As a courtesy we passed a copy of our findings to our friend. She, in turn, passed it on to her Mother. Her Mother wrote a long rambling letter discussing life in the old days, including life in the railroad town of CEDAR FALLS, which was razed after the tunnel closed. She also remembered STEAM on this electrified route. Hmmm. </p><p>Mrs. Vaughan passed our data on to a friend who is a railroad buff (William J. Walker of North Bend). He wrote a nice letter full of facts, also touching on Cedar Falls, and sent some map copies. Bill indicated that on the east bound trip up to the tunnel, steam powered helper engines were used. That might explain the steam that Mrs. Vaughan remembered. He sent a brochure for the &quot;SNOQUALMIE VALLEY&quot;, a currently operating tourist railroad. </p><p>Bill also sent a copy of an ad for the ski train for the 1946-47 season: Left Seattle at 7:30, arrived Ski Bowl at 9:30. Lv Ski Bowl at 4:00, Ar Seattle at 6:00 (weekends) Cost: $1.77 !!! <br /></p><hr /><h4>7. POTPOURRI </h4><p>a. ERRATA (that is, our goofs) </p><p>o The &quot;Not Lost&quot; ski area in NY called FROST RIDGE has a vertical drop of 140 ft, not 40 ft. </p><p>o When discussing the pic of Pres. Truman flyfishing in Idaho in a business suit, we called him &quot;Harry S. Truman&quot;. DEBBIE (CA) says Wrong; it should be &quot;Harry S Truman&quot;. &quot;S&quot; was his entire middle name. Debbie spent four years as a History major and this is all she learned! [BTW, Deb, the US Navy has just launched an Aircraft Carrier called the &quot;Harry S. Truman&quot; :-) ] </p><p>o The infamous YAN HS Quad which crashed at WHISTLER last season was called &quot;Quicksilver&quot;, not Creekside. SNOW COUNTRY called it &quot;Creekside&quot;. Perhaps that is the name of the gondola which replaced the chair. </p><p>o We mentioned the Arlberg Club at Winter Park and stated that they still had a lodge on Ski Hill Rd at Breck. Wrong. That lodge is owned by the &quot;Schussbaumers&quot;, another old Denver ski club. </p><p>b. WRONG, FUNNY, OR ODD. Some older ski periodicals call the J-bar the &quot;J-stick&quot;. And some call the T-bar the &quot;He-and-She Stick&quot; because a couple could ride together. Funny/Odd. </p><p>At the Atlanta Olympics, someone mentioned that this was the last Olympics &quot;in this millennium&quot;. Wrong. As all you engineers must agree, the Sydney Olympics in the year 2000 will be still be in THIS millennium. </p><p>c. OLD BOOKS FROM CALIF - 3 neat books we found in used bookstores in Orange County: </p><p>&quot;SUN VALLEY SKI GUIDE&quot; (1948) - We have read hints that there were other ski areas at Sun Valley besides Baldy and Dollar. This guide lists them all, with stats and pix. </p><p>&quot;CALIFORNIA WINTER SPORTS&quot; (1958) - A complete list of CA ski areas with histories, which will keep us busy for months. </p><p>&quot;THE STORY OF SQUAW VALLEY&quot; - The Squaw Valley ski area opened in 1949. The SQUAW VALLEY Olympics were held in 1960. So you figure maybe this book was written in 1965 or 1970, eh? Nope, it was written in 1953! Still, it is pretty neat with pix of their single chair and the infamous &quot;jigback tramway&quot;. </p><p>We also found a book about the 1932 Los Angeles Summer Olympics. This was the first Olympics to have an Olympic Village for athletes. Very difficult semi-instant TRIVIA QUESTION: WHERE was the Olympic Village? Answer later. </p><p>d. TCS LISTS - From time to time we publish a list of the number of ski areas each of you has skied. The idea for doing this came from JOHN WEBB (DC) way back in 1993. Curiously, John never contributed his own stats. Recently we heard again from Mr. Webb on a different subject. Still no ski area stats. Apparently he has no idea of the phenomenon he started. Or, he just has never skied. (John??) <br /></p><hr /><h4>8. FROM THE MAILBAG </h4><p>a. Loyal reader BILL (CA) wants to know what is an &quot;upski&quot;? Answer: That is the generic name given (in the 30's) to &quot;boat tows&quot;, that is, 8-10 passenger boats or sleighs pulled up the ski hill by a motor driven cable. </p><p>b. NICK (CA) related an anecdote about SNOW KING, WY. While driving there in his VW bus he stopped to sleep in Pinecrest, WY. When he awoke there were feets of new snow. The road was closed but twice he snuck past roadblocks. When he got to Jackson, there was no one there and Snow King offered free skiing. Party, party until the roads were opened. [BTW, Nick, could that have been Pinedale, WY?] </p><p>c. KARL (CA) would like a photocopy of 1980 trail maps for BERKSHIRE EAST (MA) or CANNON MTN (NH). Best we can do is 1981 and 1983, respectively. If you want them, Karl, send S-Mail address. </p><p>d. PHIL (city unknown) asked if there were any photos available for PACIFIC OCEAN PARK. We have a brochure we can photocopy and send. ?? </p><p>e. SHAWN (Quebec) sent some info on two lost QUEBEC ski areas. Thanks for the info. We are slowly building a data base on Quebec. <br /></p><hr /><h4>9. THE LAS VEGAS STORY </h4><p>New Hotels: MONTE CARLO - open, no gimmicks (unless you call a $6.49 all you can eat, champagne brunch a gimmick). NEW YORK, NEW YORK - Will open in December with a large metal roller coaster and replicas of Statue of Liberty, Brooklyn Bridge, Grant's Tomb, Ellis Island, et al. Got to be fun. BELLAGIO - open in 1997. PARIS - next to Bally's (Eiffel Tower replica), not started, 1998. New Hotel Wings: RIO, CIRCUS CIRCUS, LUXOR, STRATOSPHERE. </p><p>STRATOSPHERE TOWER - 1,000 feet, great views, $5.00, no wait. The roller coaster on top is being redone. It was too tame. Being speeded up from 35mph to 50 mph and will also run backward. </p><p>FREMONT STREET EXPERIENCE - Downtown on Fremont Street, the original glitter gulch. The street is now pedestrian only and is roofed over with a lattice structure covered with lights. Every hour (at night) there is an impressive sound and light show. Worth a visit. </p><p>OTHER - The LUXOR boat ride is closed for redoing - too boring. Shows 2 and 3 of the &quot;Search For The Obelisk&quot; trilogy are closed for redoing. We rode Show 1, the simulator, still great. The LUXOR will be connected to EXCALIBUR via a covered, moving sidewalk. An employee said that the previous monorail connection (with hanging cars) was frequently closed due to WIND. [There are only two windy periods in Las Vegas, six months from the north, and six months from the south!] MGM GRAND is redoing the OZ area (where the yellow brick road and magic show were) and outside there will be a building with COKE TOWN, SEGA LAND, All-Star Cafe, and movie theaters. </p><p>MYSTERE - If you have never seen a show by &quot;Cirque de Soleil&quot;, you must see one. &quot;MYSTERE&quot; is great. Probably the best show we have seen in the last ten years. At TREASURE ISLAND, theater seating. The Cirque has opened a new show called &quot;QUIDAM&quot; on Santa Monica Pier - good reviews. Oh yes, the new Amusement Park on the Pier, called PACIFIC PARK, is now open, with a junior roller coaster. </p><p>THE &quot;INCIDENT&quot; - PC Jr and I went to the MGM Grand Hotel on the night of the Tyson fight. We left the Excalibur about the time that gangsta rapper TUPAC SHAKUR was shot. As we crossed over the Strip on the pedestrian bridge we observed that police were shutting down all traffic on the Strip. Odd. We assumed a major accident. We passed thru the Grand heading for the monorail. We stopped, however, to observe the beautiful people gathered in the casino to show off after the big fight. Two guys in red suits and hats. Our favorite was the guy in the orange suit with the white hat. </p><p>We found the monorail and rode over to Bally's. We decided to walk back along the strip, and came upon the &quot;accident&quot; scene. Or, as we quickly learned from passersby, the CRIME SCENE. Just like on TV: yellow tape, cop cars (lots of bicycle cops - big in Vegas). In the street was the black BMW, riddled with bullet holes, flat tires. By pausing in the Grand casino, we had missed the ambulances, crime scene photographers, chalk outlines, etc. But it was still eerie. {For those of you who never read the paper, Mr. Shakur was shot by persons unknown and later died in the hospital.} </p><p>ANSWER to SEMI-INSTANT TRIVIA QUESTION: The 1932 Olympic Village (for men only) was built about 5 miles west of Olympic Stadium (The Coliseum) in the BALDWIN HILLS. Presumably it was later torn down. The women athletes and officials stayed at The CHAPMAN PARK HOTEL, somewhere (?) on Wilshire Blvd. <br /></p><hr /><h4>10. EPILOG </h4><p>a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR NAME) when FIRST writing to TCS. We hate a vacuum. </p><p><em>Cheers from The Colorado Skier (and our staff)</em> </p><p>&quot;Are there still Ten Commandants in the Metric system?&quot; <br /></p>]]>
        
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        <![CDATA[<h4>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER</h4><p>Researching &quot;lost&quot; ski areas is the hobby of THE COLORADO SKIER. We have reported our findings on COLORADO, the SOUTHEAST, NEW HAMPSHIRE, and are now doing ARIZONA and VERMONT. Is your state next? </p><p>For more info on skiing and ski areas, check out our separately posted companion articles entitled: &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - TRIVIA&quot;. </p>LOST &quot;COLORADO&quot; SKI AREAS - EDITION #22<p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: <br /></p><p>A. In this issue we will finish up &quot;Lost ARIZONA&quot; and start &quot;Lost WYOMING&quot;. And, we continue with &quot;Lost VERMONT&quot;. </p><p>B. Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc. </p><hr /><h4>1A. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF VERMONT </h4><p>Here is the info on the 10 VERMONT ski areas we listed last time. </p><p>{Copyright 1996, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.} </p><p>APPLE HILL (Chittenden), [closed], Located 8 miles north of Rutland, just north of the town of Chittenden. Located at the &quot;Mountain Top Inn&quot; which features cross-country skiing. Operated from about 1966 to 1979 - now x-country only. Vertical Drop: 900 ft Top: 1750 Base: Lifts: 1 T-bar </p><p>BIRDSEYE MOUNTAIN (Castleton), [closed], Located east of Castleton and south of US 4 on the flanks of Bird Mountain. Operated from about 1963 to 1974. Vertical Drop: 500 ft Lifts: 3 T-bars, rope tow, night skiing </p><p>BLACK MOUNTAIN (W. Dummerston), [name change], Early name for MAPLE VALLEY (still open) until about 1965. </p><p>BRATTLEBORO OUTING CLUB &amp; SKI JUMP (Brattleboro), [obscure], Site of National level ski jumping contests in the 40's, 50's, and 60's. [1949 - 65 meter ski jump] Probably became the LIVING MEMORIAL ski area. Located on Guilford St. which is where &quot;LIVING&quot; is now. [Note: There are several other lost ski areas in the Brattleboro region which will be covered in future &quot;Lost&quot; issues.] </p><p>BROWNELL MOUNTAIN (Burlington), [obscure], Located south of Burlington. 1940 - Univ. of Vermont maintains a &quot;sport center&quot; on Brownell Mtn. 1977 - status unknown. </p><p>BURNT HILL (Middlebury), [obscure], 1949 - Near Bread Loaf on Hiway 125. Probably the current location of the SNOW BOWL. </p><p>BURRINGTON HILL (Whittingham), [closed], Located east of Whittingham just off VT 100. Operated from about 1960 to 1976. Vertical Drop: 240 ft Top: Base: 2000 Lifts: 1 platterpull, 1 rope </p><p>CARINTHIA (West Dover), [merged], Located east and immediately adjacent to MT. SNOW on VT 100. Absorbed by MT. SNOW in 1986. Opened around 1963. Vertical Drop: 1100 ft Top: 3100 Base: 2000 Lifts: 2 chairlifts, 1 T-bar </p><p>CHAMBERLIN BIRCH (Newport), [obscure], Located 2 miles south of Newport on Lower Glen Road. Operated from about 1970 to 1978. Lifts: 1 rope tow night skiing </p><p>CHESTER (Chester), [obscure], 2 rope tows. Ski Jump. Night skiing. 1940 and 1949 references. </p><p>MINOR NAME CHANGES - We won't do separate listings for the following minor name changes: Mt Ascutney was once ASCUTNEY MOUNTAIN, Bromley was once BIG BROMLEY, Pico was once PICO PEAK, Killington started as KILLINGTON BASIN, and Stowe is occasionally known by its two mountains - MT MANSFIELD, and SPRUCE PEAK. </p><hr /><h4>1B. Who remembers these Lost VERMONT Ski Areas? </h4><p>BREAD LOAF MTN SNOW BOWL </p><p>BUNNY'S SKI TOWS </p><p>CHIPMAN HILL </p><p>COLD HOLLOW MOUNTAIN </p><p>DANVILLE SKI TOW </p><p>DUTCH HILL </p><p>EAGLE ROCK </p><p>GILBERT'S FARM </p><p>GLEBE MOUNTAIN FARM GLENDALE <br /></p><hr /><h4>1C. THE LOST SKI AREAS OF ARIZONA </h4><p>Here is the info on the 8 ARIZONA ski areas we listed last time. </p><p>{Copyright 1996, THE COLORADO SKIER. All rights reserved.} </p><p>[There have been only 6 ski areas in AZ. Four are still open, 2 are closed, and the other names are just name changes.] </p><p>AMBERIAN POINT RESORT (Greer), [obscure/name change], Probably a 1983 name for GREER (which see). There is a physical landmark named &quot;Amberian Point&quot;, just south of Greer. Vertical Drop: 350 ft Top: 9300 Base: 8700 Lifts: 3 rope tows </p><p>APACHE SUNRISE (McNary), [name change], Sometime (1982, 83) name for SUNRISE ski area (still open). </p><p>BIG CIENEGA (McNary), [closed], Located east of McNary, south of AZ 260, and just north of SUNRISE. Opened around 1964. Closed shortly after SUNRISE opened. Vertical Drop: 427 ft Lifts: Poma, rope tow </p><p>BILL WILLIAMS SKI AREA (Williams), [name change], Sometime name in the sixties for WILLIAMS (still open) which is located on &quot;Bill Williams Mountain&quot;. </p><p>FAIRFIELD SNOW BOWL (Flagstaff), [name change], Sometime name (1984 to 1992) for ARIZONA SNOW BOWL (still open) which is operated by the Fairfield company. </p><p>GREER (Greer), [obscure], Located about 7 miles west of Springerville, south of AZ 73 (now AZ 260) on AZ 373 in the town of Greer at a resort called &quot;Amberian Mountain Shadows&quot;. Early 80's. Vertical Drop: 250 ft Top: 8750 Base: 8500 Lifts: platter pull, rope tow </p><p>SUNRISE PARK (Pine Top), [name change], Sometime name for SUNRISE in the late 60's. SUNRISE is located just south of the small community of &quot;Sunrise Park&quot;. Base: 9300 ft Lifts: Double chair, T-bar, Poma </p><p>WILLIAMS SKI RUN (Williams), [very obscure], In 1948, locals built a ski jump and ski runs. Both were abandoned when the ski area was moved to a new (nearby) location. </p><p>Bonus: Bear Wallow </p><p>BEAR WALLOW (Mt. Lemmon), [name change], Early name for the MT LEMMON ski area (still open). {1949} </p><p>This concludes Lost ARIZONA <br /></p><hr /><h4>1D. Who remembers these Lost WYOMING Ski Areas? </h4><p>Americana Snow King </p><p>Barrett Ridge </p><p>Big Horn </p><p>Casper Mountain </p><p>Divide </p><p>Eagle Rock </p><p>Fortification Mountain </p><p>Fun Valley </p><p>Happy Jack </p><p>Jackson </p><hr /><h4>2. LOST SKI AREAS FOLLOW-UP </h4><p>a. &quot;E-Z&quot; was the name of a planned ski area to be built next to RED RIVER, NM in 1965. When it was built the name changed to POWDERPUFF. </p><p>b. MAP RESEARCH - We now have 1935, 1940, 1950, and 1955 highway maps of Colorado. You might wonder what &quot;ski areas&quot; are shown on a 1935 map. There are three: STEAMBOAT SPRINGS SKI CLUB, GRAND LAKE WINTER SPORTS CLUB, and ARLBERG SKI CLUB. The latter club, from Denver, skied at the west end of the Moffatt RR tunnel at the site of the current WINTER PARK. The Arlberg Club still has a chalet at the bottom of the Peak 8 ski hill road at Breck. The 1955 map is our best ever. It has the very obscure MANCOS HILL, is the only map we have with both HOOSIER PASS and MERCURY, and has other obscure areas like APEX, NEDERLAND, and JONES PASS. </p><p>c. AERIAL RESEARCH - This year we did our Pikes Peak Auto Hillclimb timing from the very top of Pikes Peak. It was great to watch the sun come up on the Continental Divide and then watch the shadow of Pikes Peak advance across the foothills. When it got light we studied the old mining towns of Victor and Cripple Creek and suddenly noted the ski runs at the old TENDERFOOT HILL ski area. We have tried to find this area at &quot;ground level&quot; but one approach had a large ranch and the other a gravel pit and some ranchettes. From 14,110 feet we observed that the &quot;gravel pit&quot; is actually the ski area parking lot! Now we can go back and check it out (and hope the gravel pit isn't posted). </p><p>d. READER RESEARCH - ERIC (NYC) has supplied still more info on the Cog RR on Mt. Beacon in southern NY (actually Eric's Father has all the info, Eric is just a &quot;go between&quot; :} ). There was a scenic cog railway running up Mt Beacon (in the 30's) and eventually to a ski area called MT BEACON which had a rope tow coming down from the top (in the 40's, 50's, 60's). In 1967, another ski area called DUTCHESS was built on another side of the mountain and it did not utilize the cog altho it was nearby. Dutchess was much bigger, 1000 ft vertical and 3 chairlifts. However it closed around 1977. </p><p>We have found references to the cog as a summer tourist attraction in 1963 and 1973, but none more recent. Check this out, Eric: One of our ski reference books has a capsule comment by the author about each ski area. For DUTCHESS he says (in 1972): &quot;When I first skied here, I used a WW I vintage ground cableway to make my ascents&quot;. Now either he was really thinking about MT BEACON or he tromped over the hill from the cog to DUTCHESS. </p><p>e. Reader TOM (CA) asks about the OTHER ski area on Mt Charleston, NV besides LEE CANYON. We are glad that someone finally cares as this one has been puzzling us. One answer is that the area was called KYLE CANYON and it had 2 rope tows back around 1961. The other answer is that it was called MT CHARLESTON and had a GONDOLA in the mid-60's! We won't be happy until we at least understand the geographic relationships. Do you have a detailed map you could copy and send, Tom? Or could you describe the region. We visualize an &quot;H&quot; shape with the (E-W) long legs being hiways 156 and 157 and the cross leg is 158. LEE CANYON is at the upper right with Mt Charleston at the upper left. We don't know where &quot;Kyle Canyon&quot; is. Can anyone help? </p><p>f. New loyal reader KATHY (Boulder) asks about two ski areas in Ohio from the 60's. The first one is THE CANTON SKI CLUB, which operated on Starkey's Mountain just outside of Robertsville, OH from about the 40's to the early 80's. We draw a total blank on that one. Anyone heard of it? The other one is about 30 miles southeast of Canton: </p><p>HIGH HOPES (Harlem Springs), [obscure], Operated about 1968 to 71. Vertical Drop: 200 ft Lifts: 1 rope tow </p><p>g. Loyal Reader DAN (CA) asks about a small ski area in LeRoy, NY he remembers from the 60's. Yes, FROST RIDGE is still open. The current vertical drop is 40 ft.(?) Lifts are a T-bar and two rope tows. </p><hr /><h4>3. TRIVIA QUESTIONS FOLLOW UP </h4><p>a. SNEAKY TRIVIA QUESTION - What was the original name for the GRANLIBAKKEN, CA ski area? ANSWER: OLYMPIC HILL, near Tahoe Tavern was one of the first ski areas in all of Calif. It had an &quot;upski&quot; in the 30's and was the site of many early ski races and jumping contests. By the 50's it had become known as &quot;OLYMPIC HILL - GRANLIBAKKEN&quot; and by the 60's, just GRANLIBAKKEN, probably because of the &quot;real&quot; Olympics at nearby SQUAW VALLEY. </p><p>b. TEASER - &quot;Name the current U.S. owned tire companies.&quot; As we might have expected, you folks named every one of the major and minor tire brands we had ever heard of. What surprised us tho, is that you also named foreign companies. MICHELIN is one of the three biggest tire companies in the world. And it is French, guys! Always has been. Here is the teaser: There is only ONE (major) U.S. tire company and, guess what, it isn't Goodrich or Firestone. Details in our next trivia issue. </p><p>c. PENNZOIL - Someone asked if this company was once part of Standard Oil. Yes, sort of. In 1889 the &quot;South Penn Oil Co&quot; was set up by Standard to pump oil from PA. In 1911 they became independent. Well, if they still teach history the way we learned it, you know that oil was first discovered in Oil City, PA. So by 1915 or so the oil was mostly pumped dry in PA. &quot;This left South Penn without the one ingredient necessary for a successful oil company - oil!&quot; So they realized that lubricants were their future, not gasoline or heating oil. Meanwhile, another company named &quot;Oil City Oil and Grease&quot;, needed a small source of oil. The two companies merged in 1925, under the name PENNZOIL which had been the brand name for Oil City products. </p><p>PENNZOIL is perhaps most famous for their epic battle with Texaco. In 1984, Pennzoil tried to buy Getty Oil. Texaco made a higher bid and Pennzoil sued for &quot;interference&quot;. After a long and potentially losing court battle Texaco decided to settle out of court in 1988 and paid Pennzoil $3 Billion! This was more than Pennzoil was worth at the time! Of course, to Texaco, it was chump change. </p><p>d. SNEAKY TRIVIA - Open question: Reader CHRIS (town?) noted our statement that there was a MT BEACON ski area and also a DUTCHESS ski area ON &quot;Mt. Beacon&quot;. He observes that CAMDEN SNOW BOWL (ME) is located on &quot;Ragged Mtn&quot; and there is a RAGGED MTN in NH. He wonders if there are other MOUNTAIN name vs SKI AREA name connections. Here are some: </p><p>MT SNOW, VT on Mt Pisgah - MT PISGAH, NY SUN VALLEY, ID on Mt Baldy - MT BALDY, CA BRIGHTON, UT on Mt Majestic - MAJESTIC, WI ALTA, UT on Sugarloaf (Mtn) - SUGARLOAF, ME </p><p>Can you guys think of some more? </p><br /><hr /><h4>4. SKI NEWS (Updates only - other news in previous issues) </h4><p>a. PICO, VT has declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy - the banks own it. This is very sad. PICO is one of the oldest ski areas in the country. They opened about 1936 with rope tows and added the first T-bar built in the U.S. (a Constam) in 1938. The area was run by the MEAD family and daughter Andrea Mead became a successful and famous ski racer. At one time KILLINGTON had planned to purchase PICO and connect the two ski areas but couldn't get permission from the Greenies to use water for snowmaking and to build connecting trails. Too bad. </p><p>b. MAGIC MTN, VT - Had planned to re-open this December. However, the Greenies required a diesel fuel spill cleanup and a relining of a snowmaking water storage pond. Doable projects, but not by December. Things still look good for next year, however. One reader said that the backside (Timberside) was not to be part of the current project. </p><p>c. APEX, BC - Reader JACK (WA) reports that the BC Provincial Government has &quot;called&quot; a major loan that Apex can't afford to pay off. Their upcoming season is at the mercy of the Government. </p><p>d. VAIL - As part of the new Vail Lionshead gondola project, Vail is adding lights for night skiing. VAIL is raising lift ticket prices a whopping 8.3% to $52. The price of their discount &quot;Colorado Card&quot; is dropping from $45 to $10, which should please Denver skiers. </p><p>e. Vail Resorts, Inc, which now (almost) owns VAIL, BEAVER CREEK, BRECK, KEYSTONE, and A-BASIN, announced that they are spending $55 million on new ski facilities at the five resorts. The Vail Trail ran a detailed article outlining the $54 mill planned for just Vail and The Beav. That leaves $1 mill for the other three areas! Actually there has to be a bean counting error somewhere as Keystone already announced $5 mill in improvements and Breck is adding a chairlift. </p><p>f. FIELD SURVEY - We recently made a swing up I-70 and thru Summit County and observed: LOVELAND VALLEY - the main double chair has been removed and there are towers for a new chair of unknown capacity. LOVELAND BASIN has cut a new expert run on the far left, to the left of &quot;Rainbow&quot;. This is the site of an avalanche last season, so with all the trees down they probably figured, why not finish the job. At Breckenridge, the new &quot;access&quot; double chair from the corner of Kings Crown Road and Four O'clock road is proceeding nicely. </p><p>g. WHISTLER, BC - Is replacing the &quot;Creekside&quot; HS Quad with a gondola. That was the chair that failed last season, killing two skiers, and injuring several more. </p><p>h. DEER VALLEY, UT - The &quot;Wasatch&quot; double will be a HS Quad. </p><p>i. JACKSON HOLE, WY - Replaces the Teewinot double with a HS Quad. </p><p>j. SUNSHINE, ALB - Is adding another HS quad. </p><p>k. MT BACHELOR, OR - Is opening the long planned &quot;Northwest Passage&quot; area with 468 new acres served by a HS quad. </p><p>l. GRAND TARGHEE, WY - Is upgrading the Bannock double to a HS Quad and the Shosone double to a FG quad. </p><p>m. KILLINGTON, VT - Is replacing the Ramshead double with a HS Quad. </p><p>n. CRYSTAL MOUNTAIN, WA - has been purchased by Boyne, USA (MI). </p><p>o. WESTERN PACIFIC, the Colorado Springs discount airline, has announced plans for a subsidiary airline called Mountain Air Express (MAX) which will start flying in December to Gunnison (Crested Butte), Montrose (Telluride), Eagle (Vail), Aspen, Durango (Purgatory), and Hayden (Steamboat). Could be some good connections and good prices. </p><hr /><h4>5. BUILDER'S EMPORIUM </h4><p>a. YAN TANKS - Last time we questioned why ALPINE MEADOWS would replace a relatively new HS Quad with a six-pack and three of you wrote to say that the quad being replaced was a YAN. We could say: &quot;Enuff said&quot;, but to review: Last season the cable grip mechanism failed on a detachable YAN quad chair at WHISTLER, the chair slipped down the cable and eventually fell, taking other chairs with it and killing/injuring several skiers. Subsequently, all of the YAN chairs of certain models were shut down for grip inspection. According to the latest ski magazines, this summer all of these chairlifts were replaced or, their grips were replaced by grips from a different manufacturer. One ski mag said that YAN (Lift Engineering) has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and has withdrawn from the ski lift business. </p><p>b. SKI CAPRI - You guys really know how to make us work. Someone reported that there is a single chairlift shown in the movie &quot;It Started in Naples&quot;, starring Sophia Loren and Rhett Butler. So we had to watch it (on AMC). As usual the scene was at the end, so we had to suffer thru a mediocre movie. Gable was lousy (has he ever made a good movie?), but Loren had some great nightclub song and dance scenes. Just before they rode the chair they also rode a funicular. Actually 4 guide books called it a funicular, one a cog, and the 6th one said it is called a funicular but is really a cog. It operates like a bus, bringing folks from the seaport (Capri Marine?) to the hillside town of Capri. At another part of the island is a tourist type chairlift running to the top of Mt Serano. </p><p>Interesting that we were reading guide books from 1996 but the movie was released in 1960. We wonder if the single chair has ever been upgraded. We also learned that Capri is over priced and there is little to see. The infamous &quot;Blue Grotto&quot; is a big rip-off. Pay to ride a launch to the island. Pay again to ride a motorboat to the grotto, and pay a 3rd time to ride a skiff into the grotto - for two minutes. </p><p>c. &quot;AERIAL BUS CLIMBS MOUNTAIN&quot; (Say again?) - Long time readers know that we love to find weird ski-lifts. This one is a beaut. In 1951 there was a tram-like aerial &quot;bus&quot; (it looked like a bus and had seats) which ran from Government Camp to Timberline, OR. The bus hung from four fixed cables using 16 wheels. The bus was powered by an on- board bus engine. There were two fixed cables which ran over idler pulleys on top of the bus, then down to power pulleys and back up over idlers. The bus was operated by a bus driver (Ralph Kramden). We learned all of this from an article in the August 1951 edition of &quot;Popular Science&quot; magazine. Most of the pix were artists drawings so the whole thing looked like a pipe dream. However we have read two 1949 references to the building of such a device. </p><p>The bus held 36 passengers and made one round trip per hour. That gave it a capacity of 36/hour! The lowest capacity aerial lift we had ever heard of carried at least 200/hour. Once they paved the highway up to Timberline, this bad boy was history. Anyone ever hear of it? </p><hr /><h4>6. POTPOURRI </h4><p>a. Recently we had a very pleasant telephone conversation with GLENN PARKINSON. Glenn is on the board of I.S.H.A. (International Ski History Association) and has recently written a book about the &quot;Lost Ski Areas of Maine&quot;, called &quot;FIRST TRACKS&quot;. We have the book and it is excellent. His latest informal project is to encourage the documentation of all of the lost ski areas in the U.S. and Canada. He is contacting ski musea and folks like ourselves to encourage us to keep up the research and particularly to document and publish our info. He has no desire to maintain a data base on his own or to publish any more lost ski area books, but is acting as a catalyst for our efforts. In our case, we could probably send our &quot;Lost Colorado&quot; list to the Colorado Ski Museum in Vail. BTW, he got our name from someone at ISHA who had seen our newsletters. Would that be one of you regular readers? </p><p>We are hoping that, thru Glenn, we can get in contact with other &quot;collectors&quot; and exchange lost ski area info. </p><p>b. In a recent trivia question answer we said that Bob Dole is the famous person who was wounded during WWII while fighting in Italy with the 10th Mtn Div. One reader suggests that FRIEDL PFEIFER is also a correct answer. True. We have been thinking about starting a series on famous people in the ski area industry, like Minnie Dole, Sel Hannah, Roland Palmedo, Fred Pabst, etc. (Actually, M. Dole and Hannah have already been the subject of trivia questions.) Pfeifer certainly would be on that list. He started as a ski instructor in the Hannes Schneider (Father of the Arlberg Method) ski school in Austria. He came to the U.S. to teach skiing and was at one time or another the ski school director at Sun Valley, Alta, Aspen, and Buttermilk. He won many (pro/open) ski races, and coached the U.S. women's alpine ski team. He was the principal architect of ski lifts and runs at Sun Valley, Aspen Mtn, and Buttermilk. </p><p>c. ODD, FUNNY, WRONG </p><p>o In a book about Sun Valley there was one of those &quot;photo-op&quot; pix of President Harry S. Truman fly fishing on an Idaho trout stream. He is wearing a shirt and tie and suit and dress shoes and dress hat. ODD. </p><p>o The &quot;Colorado Avalanche Information Center&quot; has a hotline with a live person providing the latest avalanche info. Last winter, after the phone line became overloaded, a recording was added which gave the CORRECT number for the &quot;Colorado Avalanche HOCKEY team&quot; (!!) and gave a new number for &quot;snow avalanche&quot; info. FUNNY. </p><p>o One of the major ski magazines has its editorial offices in NYC. Last year we had occasion to contact the Editor-In-Chief who put us in touch with a well known ski writer in Boulder. We asked the writer why he lived in Boulder. Because he refused to live in NYC. A while back we read that the magazine is moving its editorial offices to Boulder &quot;in order to attract more and better ski writers&quot;. When the first (Sep) issue came out, there was a new Editor-In-Chief. ODD. </p><p>o GEORGE (CO) remembers a company in Michigan (&quot;Meijer's Thrifty Acres&quot;) that ran an ad with a picture showing x-country skis with the bindings mounted backwards. He wonders if they offer &quot;free mounting&quot;! FUNNY. </p><hr /><h4>7. THE PUZZLE </h4><p>We challenged you to determine our real surname which is an English name matching a town in Maine, a mountain on Mt Desert Island, and a street in Bar Harbor. Two folks cleverly figured it out. JAY (NY) gave the correct answer but no &quot;solution&quot;. How'd you do it, Jay? </p><p>Our old friend SKIP (Sunday River) used our algorithm. With 100 towns, 50 streets, and 20 mountains, start with the smallest number - mountains, and look for matches. Skip cleverly eliminated all the non- English and illogical mountain names like St Sauveur and Pemetic and The Bubbles, and after that it was easy. (Did you have any trouble with &quot;Sargent&quot; and &quot;Parkman&quot;, Skip?) BTW, Skip decided to pass on the trail map prize because he can't see his desk for the trail maps, now. (We could solve that problem for you, Skip!) What would you like, Jay? </p><hr /><h4>8. TRAVEL TIP </h4><p>We highly recommend Bar Harbor, ME (and Acadia National Park) as a vacation destination. The combination of ocean, mountains, and inland lakes on Mt Desert Island is unmatched for sheer beauty. And there is much to do besides sightseeing. There are many mountains to climb and trails to hike. You can ride bikes or horses or hike the famous motor vehicle free &quot;carriage roads&quot;. There are harbor boat tours, whale watching cruises, and sailing cruises. There are ferry rides to nearby islands and ocean kayak trips. There are gardens to tour, a warm water swimming beach, and two golf courses. </p><p>The town of Bar Harbor is a fun place with a very scenic harbor and many good restaurants. It is remarkably free of water slides and go- cart tracks, altho these attractions are found on the mainland, just a few miles away. You will have no problem finding souvenirs and tee- shirts, however. There are several other scenic harbors on the island, some commercial, and some for pleasure boats. </p><p>We usually stay at the MIRA MONTE INN in Bar Harbor. Remodeled from a Victorian era home, the inn has 15 nicely furnished rooms, each with private bath, queen or king size beds, and color TV. Most rooms have a fireplace and private porch. The inn has extensive grounds with gardens and plenty of parking. It is an short walk to downtown Bar Harbor, the wharf area, and to many fine restaurants. One highlight of a stay at Mira Monte is breakfast, with excellent food, including fresh blueberry muffins daily. You may take breakfast in the dining room, the music room, the front porch, the back patio, in your room, or on your own porch. We prefer the dining room, as we can converse with the other guests about plans for the day and exchange tourist tips. Marion Burns, the owner, is a life-long resident of Bar Harbor and knows what to do and see. </p><p>At this point we should mention that Ms Burns is a relative. We hasten to add, however, that we have no financial interest in the inn and we do pay to stay there. MIRA MONTE is one example of a number of fine inns in the area, and is obviously the one we are most familiar with. Enjoy. [Note: About now you are probably expecting us to say: &quot;Mention our name at the Inn and receive a 10% discount.&quot; However, no one at the inn has ever heard of &quot;Snavely&quot; or &quot;TCS&quot;, so good luck with those names! Too bad. :-) ] </p><hr /><h4>9. EPILOG </h4><p>a. 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        <![CDATA[<p>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER - Official Ski Area Trivia Newsletter of the Centennial Olympic Games </p><p>This is part of a series on Ski Area Info. It is posted separately from our companion series on &quot;THE LOST SKI AREAS OF COLORADO (et al)&quot;, &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - TRIVIA&quot;, and &quot;SKI AREA NEWS&quot;. Check 'em out. </p>THE COLORADO SKIER presents<br /><strong>THE TCS LISTS - EDITION #6</strong><br /><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: </p><p>A. There was no JUNE 96 issue of the TCS newsletter; there was none in June 95, either. We see a pattern - we are just too busy in June. First comes PC Jr's Birthday. There is the shopping and wrapping, then the annual Father/Daughter &quot;miniature golf&quot; game interrupted by the annual Colorado June rain and hail storm. Then the Family movie (this year - &quot;Mission Impossible&quot; - not very good), then Dinner out, then present opening. Next is Father's Day. Later it is the volunteer meeting and the volunteering for a 10K road race followed by &quot;SpringSpree&quot;, a celebration of downtown Colo. Springs. Then the volunteer meeting and buffet dinner followed by six straight 7 hour days of timing on Pikes Peak for the Auto Hill Climb. And this year we went on vacation in early July. June is not newsletter month. </p><p>B. This is an anniversary edition of the TCS newsletter. We start our Fifth year of publishing &quot;The Colorado Skier&quot; on the Internet. The very first edition was posted on 15 July 1992. </p><p>C. We were surprised that no one mentioned the INTRODUCTION to the 95/96 White Book: &quot;Two of the many avid readers who use `THE WHITE BOOK' on an annual basis are skiers with different end purposes. One uses the book in an attempt to ski every ski area in the U.S. The second reader obviously reads every word because his letters always inform me of the T's left uncrossed and I's which missed having a dot. This pen pal now publishes his own skiing newsletter on the Internet.&quot; </p><p>D. Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc. <br /></p><hr /><h4>1A. THE GREAT &quot;SKI AREAS I HAVE SKIED&quot; CONTEST</h4><p>We ask you to send us the total number of (lift-served) ski areas you have skied, the number of areas with verticals over 1000 feet, and the number of states/provinces skied. The current results: </p><pre>                             Total     Areas     States, Provinces,      Skier         State     Areas     &gt; 1000    Countries     ________       _____     _____     ______    ___________      Joshua           NH       171!!      84         15,1,3     Jan-Erik         OR       106 !     102&lt;        11,2,4 *     Mike             MI        84        51         11,2,3 *     Mark K           NY        73        65         17     Tom Moore        MA        70        57         14  *     Judith           MD        65        41         17     Jim B            MD        60        54         14     Carol B          MD        59        53         14     Al               CA        57        52         16     Jon Z            MA        57        47         14     Alecia P         IL        55        39         12     Ron P            IL        54        39         12     Tom Hanson       CO        54        35         11     John W           VT ?      53        42         11     Paul T           NH        53        50          9     BORIS            CO        50        48          9  *     Carlson          CA        49        39         11     Dan K            CA        49        46          -     Mike Regan       MA        48        44          8     Curtis           MD        45        34         13,3,0 * 20     John K           MN        45        32         12     NATASHA          CO        44        42          9  *     Ted              MA        44        33          8     David R          NY        44        29         10     JMK              CT        42        39         11     Wesley           VT        42        34         7,0,3 *     Karl             UT        42        26         14     Hugh             NZ        41        39         10     &gt; TCS &lt;          CO        40        38          7     Paul M           MN        40        10 !        7     Dave L           NY        39        34          7     Gregg T          NJ        39        34          -     Bruce J          CO        39        32          9  *     Bill Hery        NJ        38        37         11     Eric             NY        38         -          9     Verney           TX        38        25          7     Larry            OH        38        21          8     Scott R          CO        36        35         11     Jeff B           MT        35        33          6     Keith            MA        34        26          8 40     Michael          UT        34         -         12     Steve K          MA        33        31          8     Chuckie B        CO        33        29          6     Crispin          OR        33        23         13  *     Earl             CA        32        30          7  *     Nick             CA        32        28          7     Steve Hult.      CO        31        26          5     Dennis           CO        31        22          6     Steve ?          CA        31         -          9     Matthew          NM        30        30          6     Dave N           Ont       29        22         10     Bill W           CA        28        24          5     George           CO        28        18          8     Kent             PA        28        16          9     Scott            MA        27        26          5     Richard          CO        27        23          5     Doug S           CA        27        22          7     Benjie           CA        26        25          8     Jim              FL        26        13          5     SISSY            NH        25        22          5 60     Danny            PA        24        19          8     Harry            IL        24        19          8     Leo              CA        24        17          7     Marcus           Scot      24        16          7     Ned              MD        24        19          7     Rob               ?        23        22          6     Phillip          MA        23        20          6     Steve Harris     MA        22        20          5     Tom B            Ger       22        14          4 cntrys *     Bridget          CA        21        19         10     Bill C           CA        20         -          9     Kassim           OR        20        14          6  *     Judy P           MD        20        10          6     Rick             CO        18        18          4     Wiley            CO        18        16          5     John S           CA        17        17          6  *     Duke             KS        17        16          3  *     Mike S           TX        15        13          7     - PC Jr -        CO        14        13          2     Chester          CO        14         -          4  * 80     Steve P          OH        13         9          5     Kevin M          CA        13        13          4     Robert L         CA        13         -          2     Chris            VA        10         8          5,0,2     Jim S            TX         9         9          4  *     Robert           OH         9         5          4 86     [* denotes a new or updated entry since the last post]    Note:  JAN-ERIK added 15 new areas this season!  </pre><h4>1B. MY FIRST SKI AREA</h4><pre> STATE  SKI AREA            SKIER        YEAR     COMMENTS    CA    Heavenly Valley     Jan-Erik     1984   CA    Lassen              Earl         1983     area closed   CA    Mammoth Mtn         Nick P       1966     age 11 - no clue   CA    Mountain High       Dave          -   CA    Papoose             Bill W       1963     merged &gt; Squaw    CO    A-Basin             Rick         1966   CO    A-Basin             Ned          1972   CO    Berthoud            Jack N       1945 &lt;   new oldie   CO    Ski Broadmoor       PC Jr        1975     area closed   CO    Cooper Hill         &gt; TCS &lt;      1964     age 7?   CO    Geneva Basin        Chester      1982   CO    Loveland            Jeff B       1977   CO    Silver Hills        John N       70's     area closed   CO    Winter Park         Jeff         1964     2 yrs old?   CO    Winter Park         Marc         1970   CO    Winter Park         Steve K      1974    IL    Four Lakes          David G      1963   IL    Holiday Park        Ron P        1974     area closed    MI    Alpine Valley       Dennis        -   MI    Caberfae            George       1966   MI    Nub's Nob           Steve H      1971   MI    Pine Mountain       Jim          1964   MI    Porcupine Mtn       Harry        1979   MI    Sylvan's Nob        Tom Moore    1970    MN    Afton Alps          Kent         1973   MN    Buck Hill           Paul         1961   MN    Wild Mountain       John K       1985    NC    Wolf Laurel         Amie          -    NH *  Belknap             Bruce J      1949     now Gunstock   NH    Mt. Cranmore        Denis        1954 &lt;   old fossil!   NH    Waterville Valley   Mike         1982    NM    Pajarito            Verney       66-67   NM    Sierra Blanca       Jim B        1976   NM *  Taos                Jim S        1988    NY    Altamont  ??        Ric          1946 &lt;   barrel staves?   NY    Beartown            Gregg T      1961     age 7!   NY    Belleayre           Mark K       1964?   NY    Greek Peak          Phillip      1984   NY    Hunter Mountain     Bill H       1969     He feels old   NY    Maple Ski Ridge     Paul T       1963   NY    Silvermine          Eric         1956     area closed   NY    Victor Constant     Dan K        1968     (West Point)    PA    Seven Springs       Steve P      1986    UT    Snow Basin          BORIS        1968    VA    The Homestead       Beth         1960     started young?   VA    Wintergreen         Mark A        -    VT    Bolton Valley       Bill A       1977   VT    Hogback             John W       1979     area closed   VT    Killington          Judith       1964   VT    Killington          Curtis       1987   VT    Mt. Snow            Kevin M      1988   VT    Stowe               Wiley G      1955 &lt;   41 years ago!   VT    Stowe (?)           Steve H       -       (Not sure)   VT *  Stowe               Wesley       1966     Age 8.  Cold.    WI    Tyrol Basin         Carlson       -    WY *  Happy Jack (closed) Otis         1952     Young.  Hated it.   WY    Jackson Hole        Lisa         1987   WY    Medicine Bow        Bridget      1973     (now Snowy Range)    BC    Le Jeune Lodge      Marcus       1972     area closed   ONT   Craigleith          Crispin      1967     2.5 years old   QUE   Edelweiss Valley    Leo          1974     age 10    FRA   Valmorel            Chris        1992     a newbie   SWE * Bjasta Backen       Danno        1983     At night! 63  </pre><hr /><h4>2A. SKI AREA NEWS - SPRING AND SUMMER SKIING</h4><p>a. SUNDAY RIVER and KILLINGTON closed on 28 May and 10 June, respectively, which is actually later than last season. </p><p>b. A-BASIN made it till 4 July, their 2nd latest closing, ever. </p><p>c. MT HOOD MEADOWS, MAMMOTH, and MT BACHELOR closed on 7 July. </p><p>d. TIMBERLINE is still open. [Altho their snowphone no longer answers - did they close to build their new snowfield lift?] </p><p>e. Total &quot;Skier Days&quot; at Colorado ski areas were up 2.6% and set a new record for most skier-days in a season (11.4 million). <br /></p><h4>2B. SKI AREA NEWS and EXPANSION PLANS</h4><p>a. ALPINE MEADOWS, CA and PARK CITY, UT - are both adding &quot;six-pack&quot; chairlifts and both are replacing quads. Seems like you would want to replace a double or a triple, not a quad. </p><p>b. TIMBERLINE, OR - is rumored to be replacing the &quot;Palmer Chair&quot; with a quad. The chair operates on the Palmer Snowfield which is like a glacier. Gee, do they have to sink the lift towers all the way down to bedrock? </p><p>c. BRECKENRIDGE, CO - is building an &quot;access-only&quot; doublechair. It will run from the Kings Crown condo area (near the bottom of &quot;Four O'clock run&quot;) to a ridge between Peaks 8 and 9. There will be skier facilities and a bus stop, but no skier parking. The chairlift will have a 45 degree turn - most of any fixed grip chairlift in the world. </p><p>d. KEYSTONE, CO - Will allow snowboarders this season. They are adding a halfpipe and terrain garden (with night lighting). That will leave ASPEN MTN as the only ski area in Colorado banning snowboards. </p><p>e. VAIL, CO - New larger base lodge at Golden Peak. HS Quad from there to the base of Chair 11. New 12 passenger gondola at Lionshead. Originally the new gondola was going to be built entirely to the left (east) of the existing gondola so the latter was going to run all Summer and Fall for sightseeing. Now they have decided to move the top terminal to the right (west) of Eagles Nest so the cables would cross. Consequently, the old gondola is being removed, on 1 August. </p><p>f. BEAVER CREEK, CO - Finally building a lift (quad) and opening the previously cut ski runs in Bachelor Gulch. This will allow the interconnection of ARROWHEAD and BEAVER CREEK. </p><p>g. COPPER MTN, CO - Is adding another double chair (the old &quot;I&quot; lift) in the (new last year) Copper Bowl terrain. </p><p>h. BIG SKY, MT - Is replacing one of their two ancient gondolas with a Doppelmayr HS Quad. </p><p>i. TENNEY MOUNTAIN, NH - Closed in 1990 but re-opened under a new owner as LOOKOUT for 3 more seasons to 1993. It did not operate the last 3 seasons. Now the adjacent condo owners association has made an offer to buy and reopen. Would enhance their property values. </p><p>j. LOON MTN, NH - Is cutting new runs to the west according to two observant readers. One reader says the new trails will NOT be used this season. Can anyone tell us why, at this north facing area, the eastern most mountain is called &quot;North Peak&quot;, and the western most is called &quot;South Peak&quot;? </p><p>k. SOLDIER MOUNTAIN, ID - You may or not know that Bruce Willis (and his hack actress wife and 3 kids) lives in Hailey, ID. Bruce has purchased the SOLDIER MTN ski area (near Hailey) and plans to spend big bucks on expansion. </p><p>l. MAGIC MOUNTAIN, VT - Is planning to re-open in Dec, 96. According to a news article sent to us (thx) by BRAD (MA), there will be expanded snowmaking on several trails, one new chairlift, and the refurbishing of three other chairlifts. It was not clear if the backside (Timber Ridge) would be included. </p><p>m. Minor News - MONARCH, CO has been purchased and will change its name to Monarch Ski and Snowboarding Resort. CUCHARA VALLEY, CO is for sale but the relatively new owners (one season) plan to operate for the 96/97 season, regardless. </p><p>n. Major News1 - As you probably know, LBO (SUNDAY RIVER, et al) has purchased S-K-I (KILLINGTON, et al) and will operate half of New England next season. The Justice Dept made them sell off WATERVILLE VALLEY and MT. CRANMORE. Unfortunately, Waterville was already in financial trouble and Mt. Cranmore is small. They will need help. </p><p>o. Major News2 - As we go to press, Vail Associates has purchased the BRECKENRIDGE, KEYSTONE, AND A-BASIN ski areas from Ralcorp (who intend to concentrate on food products). A monopoly? As you drive west from Denver, you will pass Loveland, A-Basin, Keystone, Breck, Copper, Vail, and Beaver Creek. All but Loveland and Copper will be owned by Vail. Experts predict no anti-trust problems but we would think that Breck might be the odd man out. <br /></p><hr /><h4>3. LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP</h4><p>a. This has been a really good year for the acquisition of lost ski area research materials. Highlights: We are now exploring the libraries and used bookstores of Denver and the antique stores in both Denver and Co. Springs. Antique stores often have highway maps, which serve a secondary altho useful purpose. We found a Xmas 1951 issue of &quot;Colorado Wonderland&quot; magazine with a complete CO ski area guide. Ditto for a 1952 copy of the &quot;Colorado Travel Guide&quot;. Our most important find was a 1949 book with ski area listings which has dozens of US ski areas we have never heard of. We may have to go back and update all of our previously published ski area lists! </p><p>While cleaning our garage we found 3 more boxes of goodies. Many, many maps of Calif. All of the missing late 60's copies of SKI and SKIING magazine. Copies of COLORADO magazine with its annual Rockies ski area list. And most importantly, 3 more mid-sixties national ski area guides. [We can safely say that we now have far more research material than we have possibly have time to research!] </p><p>While in Maine on vacation (see Section 8) we stopped at the &quot;Big Chicken Ranch&quot; used book store in Ellsworth, the biggest used book store we have ever been in. We ended up with 5 hard cover books, 7 highway maps, and various other items like postcards and a 1968 Down East Magazine &quot;Guide to the Ski Areas of Maine&quot;. Good stuff! <br /></p><p>b. Loyal reader ERIC L (NY) wrote about the lost ski area at Syracuse Univ. and wondered if it was too small to be listed. Actually, our definition of a lost ski area doesn't mention size: &quot;Contains a mechanical lift used for the uphill transportation of downhill skiers at a relatively fixed geographic location. Open to the public. A fee is charged.&quot; So one rope tow and 50 feet of vertical would qualify. Clarification: &quot;Open to the public&quot; is not meant to rule out &quot;private&quot; or &quot;club&quot; ski areas. You can always wangle an invitation, so you could ski these. We are just trying to rule out &quot;backyard&quot; rope tows built for children and neighbor kids. The key here is that the latter areas would never appear in guidebooks or on highway maps so could not be reliably documented. </p><p>For the record, we did not have the Syracuse Univ. ski area in our data base but easily found it in a list of &quot;college&quot; ski areas, circa 1970 and a 1949 ref. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Data: </p><pre>  SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY  (Syracuse),  [closed],  Located on university   property.  [30 meter jump]  {1949, 70}      Vertical Drop:  150 ft       Lifts:  rope tow    night skiing  </pre><p>c. Loyal reader SCOTT (Boulder) said he might go look for FUN VALLEY, CO based on our description, and wondered how to find GENEVA BASIN. Geneva is located on a mostly gravel forest road connecting Georgetown (I-70) on the north and Grant (US 285) on the south. The ski area is 10 miles from the north end and 8 miles from the south end and about 3 miles south of Guanella Pass. The area is on the west side of the road. Since the ski area is below timberline, the runs thru the trees are easily visible. The base is below the highway (down a road with a locked gate). Altho the base lodge and most lifts have been removed, remnants from one lift still remain, according to CHESTER, our official Geneva Basin Field Agent. Hence the locked gate. <br /></p><p>d. If any of you Colorado front range types would like a list of lost ski areas within a half-day's drive of Denver, let us know and we will publish one. Just promise NOT TO TRESPASS. <br /></p><p>e. We have frequently stated that we would publish data on your favorite lost ski area in any state - just ask. So ROBERT (MO) provided a list of 9 ski areas in NY and just wondered what years they operated. As it turns out, the &quot;years of operation&quot; is the last piece of data we determine. The Procedure: First, of course, we have a name (or town) and over time we refine the area name and specific location. Next we determine the vertical drop and the lift complement plus other data like night skiing and snowmaking. We are always on the lookout for a name change or, more rarely, a merger. Each time we add data to the data base we record the year for which the data is applicable and thus build up the &quot;period of operation&quot;. For example we may have: {1969, 73, 74, 77}. In this case we would assume that the area closed in 1976, 77, or 78 but we wouldn't even guess at the opening date. Sometimes we get lucky with a &quot;new this year&quot; reference. Well, after all of the disclaimers, we were still thinking of &quot;doing&quot; the 9 NY areas but after a few hours of research we concluded that we aren't nearly ready. Maybe next time. <br /></p><p>f. VINING'S RIDGE, GA - We sent loyal reader SCOTT (GA) looking for this area in Atlanta which operated on an artificial service in the late 70's. It was located in Vinings, near I-285 and Vining's Road. One source pointed out the access road and remembered that the base lodge operated as a Function Room (New England term?) for a few years after the ski area closed. The general consensus is that the ski slope is now occupied by the HOME DEPOT Headquarters building. </p><pre>  VINING'S RIDGE  (Atlanta), [closed], Located in Vinings, off   Vining's Road near I-285.  Used an &quot;astroturf&quot; surface.  Open year   round.  Night skiing.  Operated from 1977 to 1980.    Vertical Drop:  140 ft          Lifts:  Poma  </pre><p>g. MT GREYLOCK, MA - DANA (town?) asked about skiing on this mountain in NW Mass. Greylock was the home of the famous THUNDERBOLT Trail, one of the first important ski racing trails in New England, comparable to Mt Tecumseh, Wildcat, Carriage Road, and Nosedive. The trail was built by the CCC in the 30's and was used by Williams College in nearby Williamstown. Many downhill college races were held there, up thru the 60's. There were no lifts; however, at the bottom of the mountain there were shorter lift-served trails. Williams also used SHEEP HILL (rope tow) for ski jumping. <br /></p><hr /><h4>4. TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP</h4><p>a. SNEAKY TRIVIA ANSWER - What was the previous name for CITGO (with the bright red triangle)? Answer: &quot;Cities Service&quot; (with the pale green letters inside a pale green cloverleaf). Several folks knew the answer. BRUCE (MA), however, suggested that their logo was &quot;Dino&quot; the dinosaur. Actually DINO belongs to SINCLAIR, which uses a pale green trapezoid. Anecdote: Years ago, many Sinclair stations had a bright green, motorcycle-sized, brontosaurus statue. Recently Sinclair decide to revive &quot;Dino&quot; but discovered that the mold had been lost and most copies were in poor repair. However, a Sinclair station west of Colo. Springs (Manitou Ave at US 24) had two copies in perfect shape, so one was used to make a new mold. So now all DINO statues you see are derived from the one in Manitou Springs. </p><p>Sinclair also has a &quot;T-Rex&quot; hot-air balloon, huge, and very popular with children. It flies at the annual COLORADO SPRINGS BALLOON FESTIVAL which takes place all 3 mornings of Labor Day weekend. This is considered one of the top five balloon festivals in the U.S. And, unlike some festivals, parking is free, admission is free, and you are allowed right on the field to watch the inflations. Check it out. <br /></p><p>b. FREE JUNK? - In the trivia question about getting rid of your extra stuff by putting up a sign, the term &quot;foisting off&quot; the stuff on your neighbors misled some folks. It is a SALE. Therefore &quot;free antiques&quot; is not an acceptable answer. Feel free to amend (or even emend) your answer. A few of you correctly observed that the &quot;answers&quot; are regional in usage, which is what we were going for. The guesses are fitting the expected pattern: one term for New England and another for the rest of the U.S., plus a few surprises. </p><p>c. STANDARD OIL WRAPUP - Someone pointed out that STD/CA (SoCal) also sold under the name CALSO in NY. The Utah Oil Co also used the brand name CALSO. ANDY (IL) mentioned BORON. We vaguely remember that one but drew a blank in the library under both company histories and brand names. The library was about to do a &quot;brand name search&quot; (for $10 plus) when we decided we no longer cared. We mentioned that ENJAY was one name considered by ESSO when they finally picked EXXON. BILL (NJ) has several decks of cards with the standard oval and &quot;ENJAY&quot; from the days when ENJAY was a chemical subsidiary. </p><p>In one of our 1952 tourist guide books there are several gas station ads. &quot;Chevron&quot; has no chevron stripes, just the word &quot;cheVron&quot; with a large &quot;V&quot; with &quot;speed stripes&quot; like the winged feet of Mercury. Also, on older maps there are 3 chevrons with the red and blue ones being very dark. Now they use just two stripes, light red and light blue. </p><p>Someone wondered if SOCONY was related to SUNOCO. No. Sunoco is the Sun Oil Co., unrelated to Standard. Interestingly, Sunoco merged with SUNRAY DX. Guess the &quot;sons&quot; got together. </p><p>In answer to our questions, two readers from the Midwest agreed that Ohio Oil and SOHIO were always two separate companies, that all the SOHIO stations changed to BP (including a period when the red and blue stations had a green and yellow BP sign), and that BP is sold in states along the turnpikes: PA, OH, IN, and IL. They didn't know what brand name Ohio Oil used before they became Marathon. That puzzled us until we remembered that the Marathon name started in 1962, which would be too early for our typical age 30-45 readers. <br /></p><p>d. JOSHUA (NH) wonders why we do non-skiing trivia like that about Standard Oil. There are three reasons: 1) It's fun and we are using up our favorite old trivia questions. b) You guys seen to enjoy automotive questions (e.g., traffic circles, cloverleafs, parkways, etc.) [BTW, the Vail traffic circle has been so successful that they are going to build another at the West Vail interchange. This time, however, it will be a &quot;traffic rhombus&quot;. :} ] III) We are running out of skiing trivia questions. You may have noticed that we now have a &quot;nostalgia&quot; question which is really recycled. That saves us coming up with one question each time and also helps satisfy new readers who often suggest trivia questions we have already used. </p><p>Altho we have a &quot;ski trivia&quot; book (courtesy of TOM, MA), all but one of the approximately 150 questions we have used, we have made up or used your suggestions. (so suggest away). There are two categories we will never run out of: &quot;themed runs&quot; (e.g., Mary, Jane, Mary Jane, Marijuana, Sweet Weed), and runs named after real people (e.g., Timothy Leary). And we can always come up with another ski area name theme (like colors, or animal names), but we have pretty much exhausted the &quot;first double chair&quot; type question. So, that's why we use non-skiing trivia questions. BTW, the one question used from the trivia book: The First College Ski Club - Dartmouth in 1909. <br /></p><hr /><h4>5. BUILDER'S EMPORIUM - In this regular feature we discuss lifts, groomers, skis, bindings, boots, poles, even lift tickets.</h4><p>a. TRAM vs GONDOLA - Another way to tell a TRAM/CABLE car apart from a GONDOLA is to compare them to other systems. The tram resembles, in concept, a funicular: two cars - one goes up the other comes down, and then they reverse direction. The system stops for loading. The gondola is more like a detachable chair: multiple cars, continually running in the some direction, separating from the main cable for loading. New reader NICK (Ipswich, England) points out that not all trams have two cars. True. Generally those serving ski areas have two, for capacity reasons. However trams traveling horizontally, such as for sightseeing, sometimes only need one car. Example: The Royal Gorge Tram, CO. Nick also remembers seeing, in Europe, a gondola where the transfer track in the terminal was unpowered and the braking system was a large operator &quot;catching&quot; the cars and then pushing them around. That's the way the &quot;Carlevaro &amp; Savio Telecar&quot; gondolas at CRESTED BUTTE and WILDCAT (and probably Sugarbush) operated. </p><p>b. SAVANNAH SMILES? - While channel switching one day we happened across a movie with a tram or gondola. Within a few moments we spotted a SLC police car and the credits were all for Utah. So we concluded that what we saw was the BRIDAL VEIL FALLS TRAM, near Provo. Not content, we checked the TV schedule and watched the movie again. What a mistake! &quot;Savannah Smiles&quot; is a really bad movie. It was so bad that it even had Peter Graves as a supercilious cop. Anyway, the tram has quite small gondola-like cars holding either 4 or 6 persons. BTW, that tram was damaged by an avalanche last winter. Did it get up and operating again this summer? </p><p>c. GEORGIA On Our Minds - Loyal readers SCOTT and MELISSA rode the OLD Stone Mountain Tram back in June to check progress on the NEW tram (Even tho the terminal buildings had been removed, the old tram still operated). The new tram was operating (Beta test?), at least carrying construction workers who were finishing the NEW terminal buildings. Watch for the tram at the Olympics as Stone Mountain has the tennis venue and the velodrome. Also watch for SCOTT as he is a volunteer at the Olympics. He will be the one wearing the pith helmet. </p><p>d. ERIC (NYC) warned us that DUTCHESS ski area on Mt Beacon and MT BEACON (the one with the tram) were two different ski areas. So we said tell us about the TRAM, Eric. He replied: &quot;Tram? We meant to say Cog.&quot; To which we reply: &quot;Tell us about the COG, Eric.&quot; </p><p>e. ERIC L (NY) wants to know why there are no funiculars at US ski areas, but many at European areas. Good question, but due to space we will have to supply the answer next time. <br /></p><hr /><h4>6. POTPOURRI</h4><p>a. WRONG, FUNNY, OR ODD </p><p>o A 1974 brochure for SKI INCLINE, NV shows a picture of the base lodge bar with a caption touting the &quot;apres-ski&quot; action. Sitting in the bar are two men with sports shirts, and seven men with sports coats! Perhaps &quot;apres-golf&quot; or &quot;apres-seminar&quot;. Funny. </p><p>o Another brochure discussed a Lake Tahoe airport and showed a Twin Beech aircraft. Since this aircraft dates back to 1937 we thought it a strange choice for a modern airliner even at a small airport. Closer perusal of the text revealed a promo for their summer AIRSHOW (and the pic was of a military version). Oh. Whoops! Wrong (us). </p><p>o Our dentist, who knows of our hobby, mentioned a small (lost) ski area he saw in Texas. Texas? Where were you, we asked. On the way to Telluride, he replied. That would be DALLAS DIVIDE, we ventured. OK, he responded. Dallas = Texas? Funny. </p><p>o &quot;We feel that the Olympic Games must be reserved for the solemn and periodic exaltation of MALE athleticism, with internationalism as a base, loyalty as a means, arts for its setting, and FEMALE applause as reward.&quot; Pierre de Coubertin, founder of the modern Olympics. Wrong! <br /></p><p>b. For those of you who have been boycotting Colorado due to Amendment 2, you can come back now. The U.S. Supreme Court (as did the CO supreme Court) has declared the Amendment unconstitutional. Isn't it nice to know that our constitution and court system prevents the passage of laws promoting hate and bigotry. <br /></p><p>c. We have mentioned that our oldest ski area brochure is for MT. BALDY, CA, 1957. Recently we acquired a 1945 brochure for the famous Chateau Frontenac Hotel in Quebec. The brochure touts winter sports, including skating at the hotel, and skiing at nearby LAC BEAUPORT SNOW BOWL. The town of Lac Beauport has had 4 ski resorts so we don't (yet) know if &quot;Snow Bowl&quot; survives. <br /></p><hr /><h4>7. FROM THE MAILBAG</h4><p>a. You may recall that we traced an alleged former &quot;ski train&quot; east of Seattle to the: Milwaukee Road RR traveling thru the Snoqualmie Tunnel to the Milwaukee Road Ski Bowl (now HYAK) ski area. We asked for confirmation of our data. BEN (WA) confirmed. His Father worked on the hiking trail which now follows the RR route including the tunnel. The work included planking the trestles. Reader ROBERT (MO) also agreed. He has hiked the trail and recommends a flashlight for tunnel travel. He says that the tunnel is closed in the winter due to icicle danger. He also reports that BURLINGTON NORTHERN bought the tunnel after MILWAUKEE pulled out so that the UNION PACIFIC couldn't obtain a route thru the Cascades. It worked. The Union Pacific still has to reach Seattle by coming north from Portland. </p><p>We read still another article indicating that BNSF will reopen the nearby Stampede tunnel. They have to lower the track to accommodate today's double decker container trains. Unlike the Alps, where most rail routes are electrified, there are very few electrified routes in the U.S. However, the three tunnels under discussion (Stampede, Snoqualmie, New Cascade) were all electrified. The New Cascade has (or at least had) the longest electrified mainline route in the U.S. </p><p>b. GRANLIBAKKEN - We translated this CA ski area name as &quot;large ankle biter&quot; or &quot;snowsnake&quot;. JAN-ERIK (OR) thinks there might have been some &quot;leg pulling&quot; here. (not us, boss) He says the name is Norwegian and comes from: gran = fir, li = side, and bakken = hill. Together it means &quot;fir covered hillside&quot;. If you say so. (We kind of liked our answer) SNEAKY TRIVIA: What was the original name of the Granlibakken ski area? </p><p>c. DENIS (VA) questions our location of the &quot;Hawks Nest&quot; hybrid tram in WV. He suggests NC. Actually there is a &quot;Hawksnest&quot; ski area in NC, but we were discussing &quot;Hawk's Nest State Park&quot; on US 60 near Ansted, WV, home of the &quot;Hawk's Nest Canyon Tramway&quot;. There is another such device at the Pipestem Resort State Park, in WV. </p><p>d. CHAUNCEY (last name, town??) wants to know who was the first to ski down the GRAND TETON. OK. It was BILL BRIGGS, on 6-17-71. Briggs is sometimes called the Father of American Extreme Skiing. He is now 65 and directs a ski school at SNOW KING in Jackson. </p><p>e. Personal Message: Doug Scofea and Bill Walker should check your phone listings. You may work for the same company. <br /></p><hr /><h4>8. THE REUNION - PARTLY PERSONAL</h4><p>On 6 July, we attended the Snavely Family Reunion in Bar Harbor, Maine. This was my first reunion of any kind, ever. It was fun. It was held at a 15 room summer &quot;cottage&quot; belonging to a family member. We got to glance at the Final Draft copy of a book on our family genealogy which traces the family back to about 1680, in the U.S. We (TCS) are 10th generation. Here are some items of general interest: </p><p>a. We assumed that we would have come (from CO) the farthest, or at least the farthest West. But there was someone at the reunion from Vail, CO! He runs a ski rental service there (discounts for cousins?) </p><p>b. We asked directions from the hostess to the local &quot;Lost Ski Area&quot;, MCFARLAND'S HILL (3 miles SW of Bar Harbor, 200 ft vertical, one rope tow). She indicated that she had skied there while in high school. Since she graduated in 1938, she conceivably could have skied there in 1936(!), a long time ago! When we pointed out that the rope tow was only invented in 1934, she proceeded to name the men who built the local rope tow (our family were tradesmen - electricians and auto mechanics, etc.). </p><p>c. In the genealogy book we found a pic of a &quot;Snavely&quot; working on the &quot;Green Mountain Cog Railway&quot; which was built up Green (now Cadillac) Mtn, earlier than the Mt Washington Cog (but didn't last long). The author noted that several Snavelys worked on the railway because it was built on &quot;Snavely&quot; land, and in fact there was a &quot;Snavely&quot; hotel at the top of the mountain. Since this land/mountain is now a National Park, we were flabbergasted, and impressed. Sort of like finding out that your family used to own Ellis Island, or Half Dome. </p><p>d. PUZZLE TIME - For you Maine-iacs and/or puzzle fans: What is our real Family Name? (Surprise - it's not Snavely!) Hints: an English name shared by: a medium sized town in Maine (Snavely, ME); a mountain outside of Bar Harbor (Snavely Mtn); a street in Bar Harbor (Snavely Ave); and in the past: the &quot;Snavely Ice Company&quot; and the &quot;F.J. Snavely &amp; Sons&quot; electrical shop (featuring GE products). First correct answer wins the trail map or highway map of your choice. <br /></p><hr /><h4>9. EPILOG</h4><p>a. Please provide your name and city name when FIRST writing to TCS. </p><p><em>Cheers from The Colorado Skier (On permanent vacation)</em> </p><p>&quot;The Internet: Junk mail you pay to see.&quot; <br /><!-- following code added by server. PLEASE REMOVE --><!-- preceding code added by server. PLEASE REMOVE --><!-- text below generated by server. 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        <![CDATA[<h4>Greetings from THE COLORADO SKIER (Unofficial Ski Trivia Newsletter of the 1996 Summer Olympic Games)</h4><br /><p>This is part of a series on Skiing and Ski Area TRIVIA. It is posted separately from our companion series on &quot;LOST SKI AREAS&quot;, &quot;THE COLORADO SKIER - SKI NEWS&quot;, and &quot;TCS LISTS&quot;. Check 'em out. <br /></p><hr /><p>EDITOR'S REMARKS: </p><p>A. JEFF (MT) sent us some Montana ski area brochures (thx, Jeff) and also a list of potential &quot;Lost ski areas of Montana&quot;. Good stuff. </p><p>B. JAN-ERIK sent his annual mail pouch full of ski area trail maps from the Pacific Northwest (U.S. and Canada). Without him we wouldn't know that region existed. </p><p>C. As we went to press, DAVID (NY) sent a giant care package of trail maps which entertained us over the Holiday weekend. He is also a trail map collector so we will be talking about future trades. </p><p>D. Some of the data in this post was obtained from &quot;THE WHITE BOOK OF SKI AREAS&quot;, which is copyrighted by Inter-Ski Services, Inc. <br /></p><hr /><h4>1. *** NEW *** TRIVIA QUESTIONS</h4><p>a. Name five or more SKI AREAS with the word &quot;SUGAR&quot; in their title. </p><p>b. Where does the SKI TURN name &quot;Stem Christie&quot; come from? </p><p>c. WHERE are the following ski trails and WHOM were they named for? </p><p>Gibson, Jill's Run, Debbie's Gold, Perry Merrill </p><p>d. Name 5 or more (past and present) U.S. chairlift MANUFACTURERS. </p><p>e. NOSTALGIA QUESTION: There are two operational SINGLE CHAIRLIFTS in the U.S. At which SKI AREAS are they located? </p><p>BONUS ONE: Open Question - What are the most popular names for bunny slopes? (&quot;Broadway&quot; and &quot;Main Street&quot; come to mind) </p><p>BONUS TWO: (Survey/poll) You're moving and decide to foist off accumulated junk on your neighbors instead of moving it. You neatly arrange the junk in the garage and driveway and on the lawn and place a sign out front with TWO WORDS. What are they? </p><p>BONUS THREE: How many &quot;U.S. owned&quot; TIRE COMPANIES can you name? <br /></p><hr /><h4>2. TRIVIA 20 ANSWERS</h4><p>a. Name three or more SKI AREAS which have operated under THREE DIFFERENT NAMES. ANSWERS: </p><pre>CATEGORY I (Active) -      Silver Basin,  Sundown,  Iron Mtn,  Kit Carson  (CA);     Moonridge,  </pre><pre>Goldmine, Bear Mountain  (CA);     Jackass,  Silverhorn,  Silver Mountain  (ID);     Calico Hill,  </pre><pre>Durango,  Chapman Hill  (CO);     Storm Mountain,  Mt. Werner,  Steamboat  (CO);     Tree Spring,  La Madera,  </pre><pre>Sandia Peak  (NM);     Playboy,  Americana,  Lake Geneva,  Hotdog Mtn  (WI);     Cave Mtn,  </pre><pre>Windham Mtn Club,  Ski Windham  (NY)   CATEGORY II  (Closed) -      Guanella Pass,  Indianhead,  Geneva Basin,  Alpenbach  (CO);     </pre><pre>Big Bear,  Brookline,  Musket  (NH);     Onset,  Bobcat,  Crotched Mtn West  (NH);  Petersburg Pass,  Mt Raimer,  </pre><pre>Taconic Trails  (MA)   CATEGORY III (Name Variations) -      Arapahoe Basin,  A-Basin,  Arapahoe  </pre><pre>(CO); Buttermilk,  Buttermilk Mountain,  Aspen Buttermilk, Buttermilk/Tiehack,  Tiehack/Buttermilk,  Tiehack  (CO);       </pre><pre>GUESSES:  ERIC (NY) had Windham,  JOSHUA (NH) had Brookline, Onset, and Petersburg, </pre><pre>and BOB (CO) had A-Basin. </pre><p>b. Name two U.S. SKI AREAS owned and operated by American Indians. </p><p>ANSWER: SKI APACHE, near Ruidoso, NM, is owned and operated by the Mescalero Apache tribe. The area started out as SIERRA BLANCA, was purchased by the tribe and the name was changed several years later (1985). SUNRISE, AZ was built on Indian land by the White Mountain Apache tribe. [Note: We don't know who is the owner/operator, but BEAR PAW, near Havre, MT, is located on the Rocky Boy Indian Reservation. (the area may now be closed.) </p><p>GUESSES: Only MATTHEW (TX) had both APACHE and SUNRISE. Five other folks had SKI APACHE. BRIDGET (CA) guessed APACHE SUNRISE (one time name for Sunrise) and, curiously, &quot;Valley of The Gods&quot;. Well, there is an &quot;Inn of The Mountain Gods&quot; operated by the Mescalero Apache, but it isn't located at the ski area. Is that where your family stayed, Bridget? </p><p>c. At which SKI AREAS are the following ski trails located? </p><pre>  1) Apollo,  Mercury,  Gemini,  Discovery,  Vanguard    2) Apollo,  Mercury,  Splashdown,  Scrub,  </pre><pre>Telstar   ANSWER:  MT HOOD MEADOWS (OR) and LOVELAND BASIN (CO)   GUESSES:  No meaningful guesses. </pre><p>d. Name the SKI AREA GONDOLAS located East of the Rockies. </p><pre>  ANSWER:  Lutsen, MN;  Gore Mtn, NY;  Killington, Stowe, &amp; Stratton,   VT;  Loon and Wildcat, NH;  </pre><pre>Sugarloaf, ME.   [Also Mont Sainte Anne   and Mt Tremblant in Quebec.]    GUESSES:  MARC (NY) had 7 of the 8 US gondolas and 1 Canadian.  JOHN   (VT) got 6 and DAVID (NY) got 5. </pre><p>e. Nostalgia Question - Name the two FARTHEST SOUTH ski areas in the 48 U.S. states </p><pre>  ANSWER:  MT LEMMON, AZ (32.5 degrees latitude) and SNOW CANYON /   CLOUDCROFT, </pre><pre>NM (32.9 degrees).  In the East, it's CLOUDMONT, AL   (34.2) AND SKY VALLEY, GA (34.8).    </pre><pre>GUESSES:  Only new reader JAY (state?) got both Mt. Lemmon and Snow   Canyon.  BRIDGET </pre><pre>got Mt. Lemmon and MATTHEW got Snow Canyon.  There   were several guesses for Apache </pre><pre>(north of Cloudcroft) and the two   southeastern areas. </pre><p>BONUS ONE: A very FAMOUS PERSON was seriously wounded during WWII while serving with the 10th Mountain Division in Italy. WHO? </p><pre>  ANSWER:  SENATOR BOB DOLE.  Sen. Dole was too young to have trained   with the 87th Mtn </pre><pre>Regiment in Washington, or the 10th Mtn Div in   Colorado.  After basic training he was assigned </pre><pre>directly to the 10th   Mtn in Italy, where he was wounded.  He still has only partial   control of his </pre><pre>right arm and hand.   GUESSES: BILL (CA), JAY, and BOB (CO), knew that it was Citizen Dole. </pre><p>BONUS TWO: Which THEME PARK was the SECOND LARGEST to close? Hint, it was located in the southeast and not near a big city. </p><pre>  ANSWER:  &quot;BARNUM AND BAILEY'S CIRCUS WORLD&quot; (later just &quot;CIRCUS   WORLD&quot;) opened in </pre><pre>Davenport, FL (near Disney World) around 1970.   There was a big top, side shows, and a large </pre><pre>wooden roller coaster   named &quot;Florida Hurricane&quot;.  In 1987 the name and theme were changed   </pre><pre>to &quot;BOARDWALK AND BASEBALL&quot;.  The park became a ML Baseball spring   training site and had a </pre><pre>minor league team in the summer.  The park   was purchased by Busch Entertainment (Busch </pre><pre>Gardens, Sea World) but   was closed in 1990.   GUESSES:  None </pre><p>BONUS THREE: STANDARD OIL was broken up into 34 drilling, refining, and marketing companies in 1911. Each of the several marketing companies continued to use the &quot;Standard&quot; brand name in their own established territory. Eventually, the various regional &quot;Standards&quot; realized that in order to expand nationwide, they would have to change their name. We know five of the former regional Standards now operating under new names. Four are among the biggest oil companies in the U.S. HOW MANY FORMER &quot;STANDARDS&quot; CAN YOU NAME? </p><p>ANSWER: (The &quot;shield&quot; and the &quot;oval&quot; and red, white, and blue colors figured into new logos.) </p><p>STANDARD of CALIFORNIA used a shield, the word &quot;Standard&quot;, and red, white, and blue &quot;sergeant's stripes&quot;, commonly called &quot;chevrons&quot;. In 1984 STD/CA (Socal) changed their name to CHEVRON. </p><p>STANDARD of INDIANA used a red, white, and blue oval design with the word &quot;Standard&quot; and a flaming torch running vertically thru the center. In 1957 STD/IN adopted the name of a subsidiary company, American Oil Co. They kept the same logo, substituting the name &quot;American&quot; for &quot;Standard&quot;. In 1961 American followed the trend to shorter, punchier names and adopted their current name - AMOCO. </p><p>STANDARD of NEW YORK was a biggie, and was operated directly by the Rockefeller family. They were the first &quot;Standard&quot; to change their name. They used a shield with a &quot;flying red horse&quot; under which were the odd words &quot;Socony - Vacuum&quot;. &quot;SO CO NY&quot; is obvious. &quot;Vacuum&quot; came from the Vacuum Oil Co, one of the original 34 Standards, which merged with SOCONY in 1931. Oh yes, above the horse was the brand name, &quot;Mobilgas&quot;. Over time the shield and the name were squashed down to a tiny red horse and the name &quot;Mobil&quot;. Now the shield is gone and the name (with the &quot;O&quot; in red) is just MOBIL. </p><p>STANDARD of NEW JERSEY was the Rockefeller &quot;flagship&quot; Standard Company. Their logo was &quot;ESSO&quot; (for S.O.) in an oval. &quot;Jersey&quot; was very proud of that logo and intended to blanket the country with it. However, when Jersey tried to enter Ohio (1937), STD/OH sued over brand name infringement and a court ruled that the Esso name couldn't be used in Ohio. So Jersey started using the name of a Texas subsidiary, Humble Oil Co, selling &quot;Humble&quot; gas in Ohio and Texas. </p><p>Standard of Kentucky sold &quot;Standard&quot; brand gas thruout the southeast. The gasoline was provided by Jersey. However, STD/KT was bought by CHEVRON in 1961. Without a retail outlet, Jersey needed to expand into the southeast, but, fearing another Ohio-type court case, decided to forgo the Esso name and adopted a new name &quot;ENCO&quot; (for &quot;Energy Company&quot;). Jersey was now selling gasoline under three different names (ESSO, Humble, ENCO), not a good marketing strategy. </p><p>A committee was established to pick one name for the whole country and for overseas companies as well. ENCO failed as it translated into &quot;junk car&quot; in one language. ECCO and ARCON were considered and rejected. &quot;ENJAY&quot; (for NJ) was rejected because some languages don't have the letters J or Y. Eventually, a meaningless coined word was developed and, in 1972, STD of NJ became EXXON. </p><p>STANDARD of OHIO caused us some problems as we came up with two plausible stories. 1) The OHIO OIL CO was formed in 1887 and joined the &quot;STANDARD&quot; family in 1889. Of course they became independent again in 1911. In 1962 they changed their name to MARATHON. 2) In 1969 BRITISH PETROLEUM needed a partner to help develop the Prudhoe Bay (AK) oil field and selected STANDARD OF OHIO. BP invested in STD/OH and eventually bought the whole company in 1987, at which time they changed the name to BP AMERICA. </p><p>In neither of these histories did the familiar name &quot;SOHIO&quot; come up. So we went to a list of &quot;brand names&quot; and found that &quot;SOHIO&quot; belongs to BP America (not Marathon). OK. That leaves some questions which maybe our Ohio readers can answer: 1) What brand name did OHIO OIL use before they became Marathon? 2) Did all the SOHIO stations become BP? 3) In what states are Marathon and BP sold? </p><p>More STANDARD trivia: </p><pre> o  Standards of Illinois and Minnesota were absorbed by STD/IN.  o  Standard of Iowa was </pre><pre>absorbed by CHEVRON.  o  Standard of Louisiana was a small subsidiary of Jersey Std.  o  </pre><pre>Continental Oil Co, selling under the name CONOCO (&quot;Hottest       Brand Going&quot;), big in the </pre><pre>Rockies, was also part of the Standard  Oil family, but never used the name &quot;Standard&quot;.  o  </pre><pre>(For a reader) MAGNOLIA PETROLEUM marketed in Texas and the Southwest.  </pre><pre>They were purchased by SOCONY (Mobil) in 1925.  Eventually &quot;Magnolia&quot; stations became &quot;Mobil&quot; </pre><pre>stations.  o  Imperial Oil Co still sells gasoline in Canada under the name  &quot;ESSO&quot;.  Imperial is 69%</pre><pre> owned by EXXON.  o  Here in COS there is a service station with two tall signs.  One says &quot;AMOCO&quot; </pre><pre>and the other says &quot;STANDARD&quot;.  o  We kiddingly said that GULF couldn't be a &quot;Standard&quot; company </pre><pre>because their color was orange.  Actually, for a time, Gulf was owned by CHEVRON!  Gulf is now </pre><pre>owned by Cumberland Farms, the New England convenience store chain.  o  When we said all the Sta</pre><pre>ndard companies used red, white, and       blue, we were thinking of Marathon.  BP uses Green and Yellow.       Sorry.  o  Premium gasoline seller &quot;Energy Institute&quot; (of Utah) merged       with the &quot;Eastern Idaho Oil&quot; Co, and now sells under the name       EIEIO. </pre><pre><p>GUESSES:  Of those who supplied the Old AND New names (e.g., Std/NJ   is now EXXON), BILL HERY (NJ) nailed all 10 names (mentioning both   SOHIO and BP).  CHRIS (VA) was close, with SOHIO but not BP.  RICK   (CO) got 9 of 10 and JAY had 7 of 10.  For those giving only the NEW   name, BEN (WA) had all 5, and Bob, Judith, and Eric each had 4.   Overall, the following &quot;Standard&quot; companies were named (by 13   responders):  EXXON-11, AMOCO-9, CHEVRON-9, MOBIL-8, SOHIO-8, BP-1,   ENCO-1, MARATHON-1. <br />  </p><p>Note:  There must be some readers who have a &quot;Buy American&quot;    philosophy.  You should know then, that:      TOTAL Petroleum is a French company.      BRITISH PETROLEUM is a British company.      SHELL OIL is owned by the Royal Dutch/ Shell Group, a        British/Dutch conglomerate.      CITGO is owned by Petroleas de Venezuela.  </p><p>[SNEAKY TRIVIA:  What was the former name for &quot;CITGO&quot;?] <br /> </p><hr />  <h4>3.  TRIVIA FOLLOW-UP</h4>  <p>a.  CARIBOU RANCH (west of Boulder, near Nederland) contained a recording studio used by what pop/rock group?   ANSWER:  DUKE (KN) reports that the &quot;CHICAGO&quot; producer owned the ranch and that five CHICAGO albums were produced there.  Apparently the ranch was rented out to other groups as readers also mentioned:  The Dirt Band; Crosby, Stills, and Nash; The Dillards; and Elton John.   </p><p>b.  NAME THE FOLLOWING MOVIE:  A John Wayne western, directed by Howard Hawks, and filmed at Old Tucson.  Wayne comes to the rescue of his friend, a drunken sheriff, played by a very famous actor.  A colorful character actor plays the old deputy.  This trio is joined by a young rising star whose character name is a &quot;state&quot; name.  There is also a love interest (female) for Wayne.  Much of the movie takes place in the sheriff's office/jail.  NAME THAT MOVIE.  </p><p>There is an expression that goes:  &quot;Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.&quot;  Well, guess what movie buffs; you've been fooled twice!  Once again, the description above fits TWO movies. They are &quot;RIO BRAVO&quot; (1959), and &quot;EL DORADO&quot; (1967).  Details: </p><pre>                       RIO BRAVO             EL DORADO     Director            Howard Hawks          Howard Hawks    Star                John Wayne            John Wayne    Filmed at           Old Tucson            Old Tucson    Sheriff             Dean Martin           Robert Mitchum    Deputy              Walter Brennan        Arthur Hunnicutt    Young Gun           &quot;Colorado&quot;            &quot;Mississippi&quot;    Played by           Ricky Nelson          James Caan    Love Interest       Angie Dickinson       Charlene Holt </pre> <p>Most critics say that El Dorado was a remake, but Hawks said no and produced a book from which it was made.  During casting, Wayne allegedly said &quot;This time I want to play the drunken sheriff&quot;.  </p><p>GUESSES:  No one guessed both movies but there were votes for both.  </p><p>Rio Bravo:  DUKE (KN) had the actors correct;  STUART (CA) had Wallace   Beery for Walter Brennan (Beery died in 1949) and Bobby Darin for   Ricky Nelson (close).  TODD (NJ) named Dean Martin but then   remembered &quot;Montana&quot; (Mississippi) with a Top Hat, from El Dorado.  </p><p>El Dorado:  RALPH (NH) <br /> </p><hr />  <h4>4.  LOST SKI AREA FOLLOW-UP</h4>  <p>a.  SAWYER'S HILL, NM - This area is purported to be in Los Alamos, but distinct from PAJARITO, </p><p>and located west on Hiway 4, rather than north on Pajarito Mtn.  As is often the case, once we obtain</p><p> a ski area name, the name starts popping up everywhere.  A 1949 reference says that SAWYER was</p><p> operated by the &quot;Los Alamos Ski Club&quot;.  That club also operated PAJARITO.  </p><p>So apparently they abandoned one in favor of the other.  We don't have quite enough data to </p><p>determine if there was a period when both operated simultaneously.  </p><p>b.  FUN VALLEY, CO - Just for grins we set out to find this lost area southwest of Denver (closed </p><p>around 1970).  It was easy:  Travel south on Wadsworth to a point just south of C-470.  </p><p>Turn right (west) on Deer Creek Canyon.  Travel west for five miles until the road turns north.  </p><p>One half mile north turn right (east) on Murphy Gulch.  After 1/4 mile turn right on Watson Gulch.  </p><p>Keep going until you see the ski area on your right.  PRIVATE PROPERTY!  POSTED!  </p><p>The base lodge is still there, possibly occupied.  There is a house in the parking lot. About 100 </p><p>feet further is a good view point.  The Poma is still standing, with the Poma bars still hanging </p><p>from the cable.  The chairlift has mostly been removed, but you can see some towers and the top </p><p>lift shack up the hill.  Enjoy!   [Then continue to Tiny Town.]  </p><p>c.  SANTA FE, NM - Some recently acquired 1955 and 1957 highway maps of NM show the SANTA FE </p><p>ski area as &quot;Sierra de Santa Fe&quot; ski area.  No problem.  Everyone knows that &quot;Sierra&quot; is a Spanish </p><p>word meaning &quot;Five Dollar Hamburger&quot;.  </p><p>d.  MCGAFFEY, NM - Said maps also show this very obscure ski area about 24 miles southeast of </p><p>Gallup, near the Continental Divide.  </p><p>e.  SAWTOOTH MTN (MN) was suggested as a Lost Ski Area by PAUL (MN). We came up with:  </p><p>Sawtooth Ridge, Sawteeth Bluff, and Grand Marais as possible matches.  Research will continue.  </p><p>f.  A note to Newbies:  We are doing Lost VT in alpha order and we have only covered A, B and </p><p>part of C.  We will get to MAGIC and ROUNDTOP eventually.  But keep suggesting anyway.  </p><p>g.  Next Time we will respond to comments on Lost:  MT (Jeff),  MN (Paul),  Syracuse (Eric), and  </p><p>Mt Greylock, MA (Dana). <br /> </p><hr />  <h4>5.  SKI AREA NEWS</h4>  <p>a.  MAGIC MTN, VT  -  Several loyal readers wrote to say that they had seen the signs or heard the</p><p> rumors that Magic is trying to reopen. Let us know when you see hard news.  (New lifts or old?)  </p><p>b.  ALPINE MEADOWS, CA now allows snowboards and PARK CITY, UT will allow snowboarding next </p><p>season.  Still no word from KEYSTONE.  </p><p>c.  ALPINE MEADOWS will replace the Summit Quad with a Six-Pack.  </p><p>d.  STEAMBOAT, CO  -  Is expanding to new terrain with at least one new lift and several trails for</p><p> the 96/97 season.  </p><p>e.  SENTINEL SKICENTRE - Get in on the ground floor and buy shares in this new ski area to be built</p><p> on the backside of Pikes Peak at the same location of a planned area never built back in the 70's.  </p><p>f.  Several folks who have actually ridden the new Slidebrook chair at SUGARBUSH (we haven't) say </p><p>that they don't see a problem with rescues - there are plenty of trails/roads to ski out.  And, those </p><p>&quot;bicycle thingee&quot; rescue devices have hand cranks.  They obviously can go uphill as all cables droop between towers.  True.  Our mistake.  </p><p>g.  BIG SKY, MY  -  will replace Gondola II with a Poma HS Quad.  Good news.  Their gondolas are </p><p>ancient and slow.  </p><p>h.  A good snow season here in Colorado.  VAIL closed on 1 May - first time continuously open into </p><p>May.  Closings:  KEYSTONE - 5 May; COPPER &amp; LOVELAND - 12 May;  BRECK - 27 May.  A-BASIN is </p><p>shooting for 4 July or beyond.  Last year they closed on 10 August.  Here is a comparison of </p><p>A-basin snow depths from last Spring to this (1995/1996):  1 April 69/93;  15 April 72/93;  </p><p>1 May 90/103;  15 May 93/79;  27 May 91/82. <br /> </p><hr />  <h4>6.  BUILDERS EMPORIUM</h4>  <p>a.  First there was the YAN detachable accident at WHISTLER apparently due to a faulty cable grip. </p><p> Then all YAN detachables in VT and UT were shut down for grip inspections.  Now Seth Masia at </p><p>SKI reports that all 24 &quot;YAN Model 7&quot; lifts in the U.S. were closed for inspection.  But, &quot;There is no </p><p>connection with the Whistler accident&quot;. OK, maybe the YAN at Whistler wasn't a Model 7.  Could be.  </p><p>b.  Some time ago we reported that the monorail connecting the Luxor and Excalibur hotels in Las </p><p>Vegas was closed due to bad performance. On our last visit, the tracks and towers had been </p><p>removed.  We finally found out who built it - ARROW DYNAMICS  (builder of metal roller coasters </p><p>and several of the early rides at Disneyland).  </p><p>c.  Erich Konstam invented the T-BAR in Davos in 1934.  He later moved his company to Denver </p><p>and sold &quot;Constam&quot; T-bars thruout the U.S.  If you see an old T-bar, it will be a Constam  (there </p><p>are also some Roebling and Doppelmayr T-bars).  We were surprised to discover that the &quot;Mach 1&quot; </p><p>CHAIRLIFT at Breckenridge was built by Constam.  Constam also built chairlifts at Lion Head (MT), </p><p>and Ogden, UT.  </p><p>d.  KATHY &quot;D&quot; (from Doppelmayr) reports that chairlift manufacturer &quot;CTEC&quot; is a U.S. company </p><p>located in SLC, with a branch office in Sacramento.  BTW, Kathy claims she is a &quot;P&quot;, not a &quot;D&quot;.  </p><p>The &quot;D&quot; is for Doppelmayr, Kathy.  &quot;P&quot; is for POMA.  Can't call you KATHY P. Can't do it.  Wouldn't </p><p>be right.  Wouldn't be prudent.  :)  </p><p>e.  ERIC J (NY) reports a new type of gondola system in Europe.  Most gondolas have a single </p><p>hanger from a single cable.  The drawback is that the wind can catch the flat car side and cause </p><p>the cars to swing. This new method involves TWO cables, one supporting each outside edge of </p><p>each car.  Should cut way down on the wind problem.  The big challenge is synchronizing the two </p><p>cable speeds EXACTLY.  You can imagine the problem if one cable got one foot ahead.  The one </p><p>Eric saw was running but not carrying passengers.  Sort of a Beta test.  </p><p>f.  Eric also saw a two cable gondola with the cables one above the other.  The upper cable is a </p><p>stationary &quot;load&quot; cable and the lower one is the &quot;haul&quot; cable (like tram systems).  All the &quot;BELL&quot; </p><p>gondolas in the U.S. are like that.  Two at VAIL, one gone and one leaving; the OLD gondola at </p><p>STEAMBOAT; and the two gondolas at MAMMOTH.  All other gondolas are a single cable system, </p><p>operating like detachable chairs. Eric claims the one he saw was a Doppelmayr.  That surprises us.  </p><p>[Great.  We have always had two readers named &quot;Steve H&quot;;  now we   have two &quot;Erics&quot; from NY.] <br /> </p><hr />  <h4>7.  POTPOURRI</h4>  <p>a.  ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL TRIVIA RESEARCH PROJECT - A friend from North Bend, Washington </p><p>(on I-90, east of Seattle) reports that when she was growing up there, a weekend ski train ran </p><p>thru her parents property and up thru a tunnel to a ski area.  She says the tunnel is now open </p><p>to hikers and bikers.  Wow!  A neat challenge.  [We ask Washington ski, RR, geography, and </p><p>history buffs to check our conclusions.]  </p><p>A check of the map shows that I-90 goes thru Snoqualmie Pass, current home of the ALPENTAL, </p><p>HYAK, SKI ACRES, and SNOQUALMIE ski areas.  The big pass nearby is Stampede Pass, under </p><p>which is the NORTHERN PACIFIC RR &quot;Stampede Tunnel&quot;.  Quick solution?  No way.  Two problems.  </p><p>1) Stampede Tunnel is 2 miles from the nearest ski area.  2)  There were two major east-west RR </p><p>routes into Seattle.  The other was the famous &quot;New Cascade Tunnel&quot; (GREAT NORTHERN RR).  In </p><p>1971, the Great Northern, Northern Pacific, and the Chicago, Burlington, and Quincy merged to form</p><p> the &quot;Burlington Northern&quot;.  The BN picked Cascade tunnel as their main route and mothballed the </p><p>Stampede tunnel.  We keep reading rumors that they might re-open Stampede, however.  </p><p>One thing you should know about railroads is their no trespassing policy. Obviously the Stampede </p><p>still has tracks, signals, etc.  So no bikers and hikers.  </p><p>Trivia research is often a matter of luck.  At a recent book fair we managed to acquire a Wenatchee </p><p>(WA) National Forest map.  We checked it.  Sure enough, there was the Northern Pacific route up to </p><p>the Stampede Tunnel.  But, looky here.  On a parallel route were the tracks of the &quot;Chicago, </p><p>Milwaukee, and St Paul&quot;, known as the &quot;MILWAUKEE ROAD&quot;.  These tracks continued on up to, </p><p>would you believe, the &quot;Snoqualmie Tunnel&quot;.  The Milwaukee has withdrawn from Pacific service </p><p>and now serves only the Midwest.  So, the tunnel could have been abandoned and given to, say, </p><p>the Forest Service.  </p><p>OK, now we have a RR and tunnel, how about a ski area.  Eureka.  A 1949 reference reveals the </p><p>&quot;Milwaukee Road&quot; ski area, a short walk or ski from the &quot;Hyak Station&quot;.  So now we have a ski area.</p><p>  And, could &quot;Milwaukee Road&quot; now be &quot;Hyak&quot;?  Well, the HYAK trail map shows a ski run called </p><p>&quot;MILWAUKEE RIDGE&quot;.  Good enough for us.  We love it when a trivia research project comes </p><p>together!  </p><p>b.  WRONG, FUNNY, OR ODD.  In a book called &quot;The Skier's Encyclopedia&quot; there is a chapter on </p><p>ski lifts which discusses cog railways, funiculars, trams, gondolas, chairlifts, T-bars, Pomas, and </p><p>rope tows. Here is what they said about chairlifts:  &quot;... it is the most uncomfortable, primitive, and</p><p> on occasion the most dangerous of all winter sports transportation systems.  It is also, without </p><p>doubt, the coldest way anyone could devise of ascending a mountain.  In the transportation</p><p> popularity stakes, the vast majority of the world's skiers would put the chairlift firmly at the </p><p>bottom of the list.&quot; Odd. <br /> </p><hr />  <h4>8.  ASK TCS  (Snavely explains it all to you)</h4>  <p>a.  JOHN (QUE) asks how long is the long T-bar at WESTCASTLE, AB.  We haven't found a </p><p>breakdown yet.  There are 3 T-bars at Westcastle and a total vertical drop of 1600 ft.  </p><p>If any one T-bar went the whole way it would be &quot;way long&quot;.  </p><p>b.  RICK (CO) asks how long the #1 T-bar at ELDORA (CO) was.  Gee, even we don't remember </p><p>when #1 wasn't a Chair.  Anyway, the length was 3900 ft.   (FWIW the #1 T-bar at Breck was </p><p>4000 ft long.)  </p><p>c.  We said that BRECKENRIDGE once had only 2 chairlifts (and 2 T- bars).  RICK (CO) asked what </p><p>about the Poma above the &quot;upper chair&quot;. &quot;Upper chair&quot;, Rick?  Boy you are young.  The upper </p><p>chair is new.  The #1 chair (gone) once ran from the Peak 8 base all the way up to the road </p><p>leading to the upper T-bar (up the &quot;Boreas&quot; run).  The chair extended a few hundred feet above </p><p>timberline.  Since Breck faces East, a brutal crosswind came in from the North above the tree line.  </p><p>So, in 1965, Chair #1 was shortened to the tree line and the new &quot;upper&quot; chair (#2) was installed </p><p>(in the trees) up to the left.  Then in 1967 the upper Poma was installed, extending from the top </p><p>of Chair 2 up towards the top of the current Chair 6.  Years later the Poma was removed and </p><p>essentially replaced by the current upper T-bar.  [This must be totally confusing to folks without a </p><p>Breck trail map!]  </p><p>d.  ROBERT (MO) asks:  What is the difference between a TRAM and a GONDOLA?  The difference </p><p>has very little to due with the size of the cars, the number of cables, or whether you sit or stand.  </p><p>A TRAM has two cars.  They generally travel on a fixed &quot;load&quot; cable and are pulled by a &quot;haul&quot; cable.  When one car goes up, the other comes down. When one car is loading at the bottom, the other is loading at the top.  The haul cable stops during loading/unloading.  After loading, the cars reverse direction.  At ski areas, the large cars carry 50 to 150 skiers.  Tourist trams carry as few as 20 to 30 passengers.  </p><p>GONDOLAS have multiple cars.  There can be two cables or just one. The haul cable travels </p><p>continuously in the same direction.  At ski areas, the cars detach for loading/unloading.  </p><p>Tourist gondolas are sometimes fixed grip and travel very slowly.  There can be 10 or 50 or 100 </p><p>gondola cars.  Cars started small (with seats) at 2, or 3, or 4 passengers.  Then came 6, 8, 10 </p><p>and 12 passengers cars.  Now there are systems with cars which carry 15 or 20 standing passengers.  </p><p>There are some &quot;hybrid&quot; systems.  At Hawks Nest in WV, each &quot;tram car&quot; consists of two attached </p><p>gondola cars.  But the system is an up and back tram operation.  In Europe there is a system with </p><p>four attached gondolas cars.  At ski areas the gondola cars are getting bigger and bigger but as</p><p>long as the cable keeps moving in the same direction, it is a gondola system. <br /> </p><hr />  <h4>9.  FROM THE MAILBAG</h4>  <p>a.  ROBERT (MO) - (who claims to be a Structural Engineer, not an ME - is that like a &quot;framer&quot;?) </p><p>says that &quot;truss&quot; type ski lift towers (which we called &quot;lattice/erector set&quot;) have an advantage over </p><p>the newer tube type in regard to metal fatigue - if they are bolted, not welded.  The stress is taken </p><p>up by slight movement.  The bolts have to be occasionally &quot;retorqued&quot;.  He says look for the </p><p>&quot;torque paint&quot; on the Lioinshead gondola towers at VAIL.  </p><p>b.  Robert also asks if the new gondola at VAIL will use the old towers or new ones.  It will use new</p><p> ones.  They will be to the left (looking up) and much lower.  New upper and lower terminal buildings</p><p> will be required.  This means no more climbing the steps at the lower Lionshead terminal plus the</p><p> opportunity to remodel a rather ugly building.  There is a trend to lower towers on gondolas.  </p><p>At STEAMBOAT the old gondola had two very tall intermediate towers and now there are six shorter </p><p>towers.  The 2nd gondola at KEYSTONE is very low to the ground.  We assume that the main reason </p><p>is to get the cars down in the trees out of the wind.  Easier rescues may be a secondary reason.  </p><p>c.  SKIP asked if we had ridden the tram at Palm Springs, CA.  Yes. [Von Roll, 1963, 5873 ft vertical]</p><p>  The impressive thing about this tram is that it rises from the desert floor to a mountain top with </p><p>pine trees and snow.  </p><p>d.  JOHN (CO) reports that an episode of &quot;Walker, Texas Ranger&quot; filmed an &quot;isolated wilderness&quot;</p><p> river scene on the Cache la Poudre River in CO.  Wilderness?  This river is paralled by (paved) </p><p>CO Hiway 14. About as isolated as the Merrimack or Kennebec.  (We are clueless as to the filming </p><p>on Berthoud Pass, John)  </p><p>e.  BILL (CA) asks where does the name &quot;Granlibakken&quot; (CA ski area) come from?  Granlibakken </p><p>freely translates as &quot;snowsnake&quot; from the actual Swedish: &quot;large ankle biter&quot;.  Be careful how you </p><p>use term in Sweden as it is considered a swear word.    [ ;-) ]  </p><p>f.  A TRAM on Mt. Beacon, NY, ERIC?  Tell us about it.  </p><p>g.  For PETER (NS) - We personally have no info on skiing in Italy. Check the &quot;Blue Book of</p><p> European Ski Resorts&quot;.  Looking forward to those mega-ski area trail maps from NS.  </p><p>h.  MATT (MI) - wonders where &quot;Hot Dog...The Movie!&quot; was filmed.  We say SQUAW VALLEY.  </p><p>Anyone disagree?  </p><p>i.  Apologies to ANDY (IL) for our misleading reply when he suggested MT NORWAY as an upside </p><p>down ski area.  We were just wondering - Where is MT NORWAY? <br /> </p><hr />  <h4>10.  TRAIL MAPS</h4>  <p>Every time we discuss our trail map collection (e.g., last issue) folks ask:  What do you need or want?  Last year we listed all the states and provinces for which we had not one single map.  Since then some nice folks have kindly sent us maps for ski areas in  AL, GA, WV, NJ, MO, IN, IA, ON, &amp; PQ.  We are still missing: CT, RI, KY, OH, IL, KS, ND, PEI, NB, NF, NS, MB, &amp; SK.  </p><p>Here is another approach.  Suppose it was our goal to obtain at least one trail map for every operational ski area in the U.S.  Right now we stand at about 54%.  We have started a list, by state, of areas we are missing.  The following table summarizes the western states. </p><pre>  State        Have/Total   Missing    </pre><pre>Nevada          3/ 3      --   </pre><pre>Colorado       24/25      Howelsen Hill   </pre><pre>New Mexico      9/10      Cloudcroft   </pre><pre>Utah           13/14      Nordic Valley  </pre><pre>Oregon         10/11      Spout Springs   </pre><pre>Alaska          4/ 5      Cleary Summit   </pre><pre>Arizona         1/ 4      Mt. Lemmon, Sunrise, Williams   </pre><pre>Washington      8/11      Badger Mtn, Sitzmark, Ski Bluewood   </pre><pre>Wyoming         5/ 9      Antelope Butte, Eagle Rock, High Park, Pine Creek   </pre><pre>California     29/33      Buckhorn, Granlibakken, Plumas-Eureka, Ski Green Valley   </pre><pre>Idaho           7/12      Brundage Mtn, Cottonwood Butte, Little Ski Hill, Magic Mtn, Soldier Mtn   </pre><pre>Montana         7/13      Great Divide, Lost Trail Powder Mtn, Maverick, Snow Bowl, Rocky Mtn Hi, </pre><pre>	Turner  </pre><pre>&nbsp;</pre><pre>Obviously we would love to receive trail maps for the missing areas. </pre> <br /> <hr /> <h4>11.  EPILOG</h4>  <p> a. Please provide your CITY NAME (and YOUR NAME) when FIRST writing to TCS.  </p><p>We need pen pals.  </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><em>Cheers from The Colorado Skier (basic loner)</em>  </p><p>Our thought for today:  &quot;Eschew obfuscation&quot; <br /> </p></pre>]]>
        
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