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brad
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 Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: ECLIPSE PLANNING ISSUES IN THIS FORUM |
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we'll take eclipse issues now, but please keep it civil
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Was that our first-ever locked discussion thread? |
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trooper1556
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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yup, nothing like a proposed development to get people fired up! Anyone who can, please make it to the meeting tomarrow (i would if i wern't 5 hours away  )! |
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trooper1556
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| updates from last night? anybody make it??? |
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brad
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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i was there but didn't stay until the end (left at like 945 and it was still going strong). Made a few statements, but didn't formally prepare anything. I spoke in favor of Eclipse.
it seemed that most people were in support of eclipse there but there were at least 30% in opposition. Some very emotional pleas from residents both for and against.
the folks from echo were there also, they requested that echo be able to get a firm following before introducing a new ski area. according to their statement, echo only saw four cars yesterday.
it will be a tough decision i think for Clear Creek County.
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hexcrystal
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought that there was to be no discussion of Eclipse planning issues on this site. Seems only fair that should go both ways - supporters as well as detractors. Your bias is evident, you yourself say you spoke last night in support of the development. The first link you see when you hit this site is about Eclipse and asking for supporters to show up to meetings. Seems only fair for the site to not try to have it both ways - either stop using the site for Eclipse boosterism, or be prepared for people to have a reasoned dialog on the issues in the forums. Detractors too. |
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trooper1556
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| hexcrystal wrote: | | I thought that there was to be no discussion of Eclipse planning issues on this site. |
I asked what happened & brad explained, I don't see any discussion. Arguing the finer points of if Fall river road needs to be improved & if punk snowboarders will be littering etc, etc. is what we're trying to get away from here – besides what can be accomplished here? As stated, take these arguments where they might actually have an effect, like last nights meeting.
| Quote: | | Your bias is evident, you yourself say you spoke last night in support of the development. The first link you see when you hit this site is about Eclipse and asking for supporters to show up to meetings. |
The possible resurrection of any closed ski area is a topic of high interest here - so yeah our (and I believe I speak for 95% of our members) bias & the site bias should be obvious.
| Quote: | | either stop using the site for Eclipse boosterism, or be prepared for people to have a reasoned dialog on the issues in the forums. Detractors too |
In case you didn't know this is brad's site & forum so don't be surprised when he steers the forum back toward the direction of interest for which the site/forum were originally intended. |
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brad
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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look, i think both sides of every topic should be discussed. the previous rants on eclipse were going in circles if you didn't notice. trooper1557 simply asked the outcome so i have a brief summary. please feel free to elaborate if you views of the meeting were different than mine.
sorry for my skewed take on the matter but that's my true assesment. It doesn't mean it is right or what you think. it appeared to me that both sides last night had very stong points. it will be a very difficult decision for Clear Creek County.
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brad
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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FYI: the final decision by the county will be released on JAN 31, 07
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trooper1556
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Has anybody been up there recently? any work being done? |
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brad
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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no, haven't heard. i need to look into that.
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trooper1556
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: Minor update: Denver Post 10/23/07 |
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This is the only 'news' i have heard about Eclipse, mainly this article is about Echo changing its buisness model to not be strictly a terrain park, not too surprising...
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_7252993
| Quote: | Terrain park becoming a family affair
Echo Mountain will no longer be all terrain, opening wider runs for skiers and snowboarders
By Elizabeth Aguilera
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 10/23/2007 12:35:02 AM MDT
Cliff Richter, 17, is riding on the C-BOX at Echo Mountain Park on Friday. The Ski area is an all freestyle terrain area. (Post / Hyoung Chang)Colorado's only dedicated terrain park is going family.
After its first season as a 100 percent terrain area, Echo Mountain has dropped the "park" from its name and opened up wider groomed runs for skiers and snowboarders.
Terrain, including features such as halfpipes and grinding rails, makes up about 45 percent of Echo Mountain this season, said Chad Lee, Echo Mountain marketing director.
"We just want to become an area that is a little more appealing to the mass market," Lee said. "The park worked quite well for a specific segment, but we believe that when you say 'park,' there is some intimidation. We are more than just park; we have these other features too."
Echo Mountain recorded 18,758 visits last season, according to Colorado Ski Country USA, and officials on the mountain hope to double that number this year with the new variety of visitors.
The area is located on the grounds of the former Squaw Pass ski area south of Idaho Springs.
The changes at Echo Mountain fill a niche for the Denver metro area, said Nick Bohnenkamp, spokesman for Colorado Ski Country.
"That niche being your skiers and riders who are looking to learn the park and just enjoy park riding," he said. "I think the perception is that they are solely a park mountain, and they also offer things for skiers and riders who want to experience other things than just park terrain."
Southern California's Mountain High and Snow Summit Ski areas and several in Canada have raised their profiles by expanding their terrain offerings but still offer more general cruiser skiing.
Echo is following in the footsteps of nearby Eclipse Snow Park - still in development - in changing from a terrain to a family focus.
Eclipse owner Michael Coors made the change during the planning stages after skiing the St. Mary's Glacier ski area, west of Idaho Springs.
Michael Coors, right, is hoping to open Eclipse Snow Park in Clear Creek County. He and his crew made rails for a future terrain park. The area is not currently operational and Coors is not sure when they can get it open. The ski and snowboard area is located 9 miles up Fall River Road from exit 238 off I-70. Until 1986 the area was in business under the name St. Mary's Ski Area. Eclipse Snow Park will be located in Anchor Gulch a small bowl that forms the drainage for Silver Creek just 1/3 mile from St. Mary's Glacier. The parking lot is 10,300 feet high. (Post / Karl Gehring)
"Initially, we went with the terrain focus because we hadn't seen the potential for good all-mountain skiing," said Coors, great-grandson of brewery founder Adolph Coors. "But once we got the chance to get up there and ski it, classify us first as a ski area."
Now, only about 40 percent of the future 350-acre ski area will be dedicated to a terrain park. Coors' investment group bought Eclipse for $1.65 million in 2005.
Initially, Coors had hoped to open next fall, but slower planning and processes have moved that date out another year or two.
Currently, the project is in the development-review stage with Clear Creek County officials.
At Echo Mountain, the changes are in response to skier and snowboarder needs, Lee said.
Echo is putting in a handle tow, creating junior programs for children ages 3 to 10, offering a $139 season pass and trying to let families know about its proximity to the Front Range.
Echo Mountain - 240 acres, of which 75 are ridable - opens Nov. 21.
Additional changes at Echo Mountain include isolating terrain areas into pocket parks across the mountain, Lee said.
"We found people are looking for the variety," he said. "People also want to learn to ski and snowboard. So let's create an area for these folks, make some cruiser turns on corduroy and listen to the needs of our guests."
Elizabeth Aguilera: 303-954-1372 or eaguilera@denverpost.com
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18,758 - Visits to Echo Mountain during the 2006-07 season, its first
240 - Acres at Echo Mountain, 75 of which are ridable
0 - Ski visits to Eclipse Snow Park, yet to open
350 - Acres at Eclipse, 40 percent of which will be for a terrain park |
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poloxskier
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| The change in business model was something that has been discussed for a while and it was planned that this year there would be aditional runs widened and would be made more of a intermediate cruising style of run as well as there hopefuly being a beginners lift in the near future since the bottom of the mountain can be very hard for beginers since its just a bit too steep. Even in the last few years there still has been a few of their runs that did not have features but they are trying to re-create their image to attract more people. |
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brad
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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wait, did echo cut those expansion runs on the west ridge? Last time I was up on Squaw Pass was in early September and nothing was being done.
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poloxskier
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| I am not sure if they have expanded into the new area, what I was refering to was the widening of the existing runs and opening them up as cruisers rather than just park features. |
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